Now it can be told: my slurve list
I can now safely post my top 50 list that I sent to slurve. Actually, I am going to modify it wholesale, based on additional thinkage. The numbers in parentheses reflect the original list i sent to slurve.
- (1.) Daisuke Matsuzaka
- (3.) Tim Lincecum
- (2.) Delmon Young
- (5.) Alex Gordon
- (9.) Chris Young
- (6.) Philip Hughes
- (4.) Billy Butler
- (13.) Jay Bruce
- (7.) Homer Bailey
- (10.) Justin Upton
- (11.) Evan Longoria
- (21.) Andrew McCutchen
- (16.) Ryan Braun
- (8.) Brandon Wood
- (12.) Elijah Dukes
- (17.) Mike Pelfrey
- (22.) Reid Brignac
- (19.) Yovani Gallardo
- (14.) Andrew Miller
- (23.) Adam Miller
- (24.) Cameron Maybin
- (26.) Jarrod Saltalamacchia
- (28.) Troy Tulowitzki
- (18.) Andy LaRoche
- (15.) Adam Jones
- (34.) Clayton Kershaw
- (25.) Nick Adenhart
- (27.) James Loney
- (29.) Matt Garza
- (30.) Fernando Martinez
- (31.) Jose Tabata
- (32.) Carlos Gonzalez
- (40.) Luke Hochevar
- (35.) Colby Rasmus
- (47.) Carlos Gomez
- (20.) Scott Elbert
- (--.) Franklin Morales
- (41.) Chris Iannetta
- (44.) Joey Votto
- (43.) Hunter Pence
- (33.) Felix Pie
- (36.) Adam Lind
- (42.) Brandon Erbe
- (--.) Dellin Betances
- (--.) Chuck Lofgren
- (37.) Jason Hirsh
- (--.) Hank Conger
- (45.) Bill Rowell
- (50.) Jeff Clement
--. (49.) Jeff Niemann
--. (38.) Brad Lincoln
--. (39.) Travis Snider
--. (46.) Ryan Sweeney
--. (48.) Akinori Iwamura
Now I'm dropping my balls on the chopping block in a couple of places here but i've heard they have a new ball-chopping based reality show over in Japan and it's getting fantastic ratings in most of Japan and also for some reason via satellite in Langley, Virginia, and in specific parts of Cuba. The list will no doubt be different again tomorrow. Discuss.
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Love:
Tim Lincecum so high. I think he is overlooked by the community's list.
Cameron Maybin's drop in this list compared to others.
Longoria. Period. He is going to be Gordon soon if he remains at 3rd.
Like:
My homerism and how you treated the Mets so well with Pelfrey at 16, Gomez at 35 and Martinez 1 before Tabata at 30 :-D
LaRoche's Drop
Dellin Betances addition, but how do people think he compares to Joba?
Dislike:
Garza is such a question mark in my mind. I don't think he can be a 1 or 2, but I am fairly certain he will have success. SO WHERE DO I PUT HIM? at 29 for a player with some successful IP at the MLB level is a little to low for me however.
Gallardo is a little low too IMO, think Upton should be lower till he has a breakout season.
Ryan Braun and McCutchen need to be moved back a tad.
Hate:
Saltalamacchia at 22. I think he was overlooked by the community as well. He dropped further than i thought, but at the same time I wasn't expecting to be this high on anyones list after a slip the past season.
Good List, some balls could have been chopped off, but i think its pretty solid so don't worry. Don't see too many problems but i also only glanced.
Silly me
You posted this after Dukes was arrested again so I can't cut you slack at 15. I don't want to get into his arrest on this diary but I don't think it was a HUGE deal. He has star ability and i think he will make it to the show. But he has a tendency to misbehave and there is a chance he gets to Jail before his MLB debut. He should be in the 35-45 because of this. No other player other than a DRay has that kind of hindrance.
thoughts
Maybin: I need more line drives.
Longoria: I was high on him, then I soured on him, now I'm coming back around. It's been a wild ride. A wild ride.
Mets:
Pelfrey: Like John, I think Pelfrey's breaking ball problems are overrated and he'll figure something out. And people don't appreciate his fastball enough. It's not just about speed, it's a quality fastball in every respect. That might almost be enough to make him an ace by itself.
Gomez: Right now Gomez is a tools player who's displaying no particular power, no particular discipline and no particular contact ability. I normally hate this kind of player. And yet, strangely, as a sorority girl drawn to the scorpion bowl, I love him. It's probably the scouts using mind control on me again, but I have a feeling. I think it's because he got jumped a level, was terrible, and then (apparently) adapted. I love to see adjustments made. Best possible sign in a player. If he has those tools, plus the ability to adapt and develop his skills, he could be, I don't know, Carl Crawford or something. Or, maybe the whole thing is a mirage. Who am I.
Martinez vs. Tabata: Really, I have no idea. They're a unit right now.
LaRoche: I think he's still toting some overrate from the "40-homer" tag he got a couple years ago. I'm not buying that. He'll be solid.
Betances: If Kershaw can be in the 20s, I don't see why Betances can't be 44. Same ridiculous ceiling. And again, they say, he came into pro ball and started making huge adjustments right away. Smart + adjustments + 6'9" + 97 mph at 18 = on my list. Name me somebody else like that. There is nobody.
Garza: Major league innings, I don't really care. Long-term, I see him as a pitcher, but not a special pitcher.
Gallardo: I like him. I don't know. Pitchers. They float around. You look at a BA top 100 from 8 years ago, you see all the hitters who are starring in the league now and a bunch of pitcher names that you don't even recognize. It makes you want to take all of the pitchers off your list, if you have one. Gallardo looks awesome.
Upton: I would have him even higher, actually, but after scoping him on the web I have one or two little concerns about his swing. I know nothing about swings; these are other people's expert concerns which I have co-opted as my own for the time being. If they prove baseless I will disavow all knowledge and re-rank. Some tweaks will probably turn him into Griffey.
Braun & McCutchen: My list is heavily biased towards guys that can Just Hit. Braun and McCutchen can Just Hit, so they are high on my list. Respectfully, I am going to leave them where they are.
Saltalamacchia: same principle. Despite the off year, I believe that Saltalamacchia can Just Hit. I don't think the off year had anything to do with his ability. I'm not sure exactly what it did have to do with. But I don't think it was that. And then he's a catcher. So, good.
Dukes: You are all going to be sorry. Or I am. Or possibly both.
carlos gomez
comps
hmm
Lincecum has great stuff, but he's never been able to get that BB/9 into elite status. I don't doubt that he can make a big splash in the bigs this year, but when I think of pitchers that will have long, productive careers, there are three or four guys I'd rather have. Yes, body type is part of this too, but let's not revisit that.
I think you're selling Upton short, but he's still top 10 so it's not a huge quibble.
Guys I think you have too high: Lincecum, Braun, Dukes, Pelfrey, Adam Miller, Adenhart, Loney, Conger.
Guys I think you have too low: Upton, LaRoche, Garza, Tulowitzki, Rasmus
apples to boba
Lincecum: I don't think the walks matter. We'll see.
Adam Miller too high: You might be right. He's such a good pitcher. But I hate guys who have "recovered" from injuries, especially if it's not just TJ but something they "rehabbed".
Adenhart too high: Again, maybe. But I feel like he's got more. If he has another level to reach in his gradual TJ comeback - they say the second year is all the way back. This was the first. Before the injury he was rated up with Bailey.
Loney too high: Just Hit. I think he's better than people realize.
Conger too high: I've got swing analysts loving him over on BTF, and I've got all kinds of scouts saying they just got a feeling. Plus he's Korean. I'm white, but I like Korean baseball players anyway. I grew up in Torrance.
Tulowitzki too low: You're probably right. I go back and forth on him. I'm not quite sure yet if he can Just Hit or not, is the major problem.
Rasmus too low: Interesting. Most people would say he's too high, I would have thought.
Also
I forgot to say the ones I thought you nailed: Maybin, Jones, Martinez, Tabata, Gonzalez, Pie
Basically I thought you did a good job with toolsy OFs. Save maybe Rasmus, who I like more than anyone it seems.
i like how you went for broke with lincecum
Braun > Wood ?
The thing is, Braun also has less of a professional track record than Wood so it's a bit risky putting him ahead of Wood at this point.
by FI @ Minor League Ball on Jan 17, 2007 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
yes, yes
Lincecum
Also, and I think this is probably just me, but I think Longoria is too high. But he's in the top 15 for pretty much everyone so I think I'm in the minority on that one.
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I guess
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To clarify
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based on this kind of thinking
kind of thinking
Unless I'm missing something
by williethekid20 on Jan 17, 2007 10:07 AM EST reply actions
Garza was Minor League Pitcher of the Year
10.19 K/9
.181/.242/.284 against
2.12 BB/9
0.40 HR/9
5.77 H/9
Most of that was against AA/AAA competition. His numbers from his 50 innings in the bigs don't look as pretty but I saw most of his starts. He got REALLY squeezed in 3 of the 9 starts. The game against the Yankees (at NY) was a joke. He was working with a 12 inch plate.
Compare those numbers to Liriano's in 2005:
10.95 K/9
6.77 H/9
2.68 BB/9
I wouldn't bump him ahead of Lincecum, but remember that Garza was just 22 last year too - and he jumped from A ball to the bigs. To me, that puts him somewhere in the top 10 or 15.
I'd easily rank him ahead of:
Young
Bruce
Dukes
Pelfrey
Adenhart
Kershaw
A. Jones
Salty
Brignac
Adam Miller
McCutchen
by alskntwnsfn on Jan 17, 2007 1:08 PM EST reply actions
List
- Daisuke Matsuzaka
- Alex Gordon
- Delmon Young
- Billy Butler
- Justin Upton
- Brandon Wood
- Tim Lincecum
- Chris Young
- Philip Hughes
11 Adam Miller
12 Homer Bailey
13 Evan Longoria
14 Andrew McCutchen
15 Jarrod Saltalamacchia
16 Ryan Braun
17 Elijah Dukes
18 Reid Brignac
19 Hunter Pence
20 Mike Pelfrey
21 Yovani Gallardo
22 Andrew Miller
23 Cameron Maybin
24 Troy Tulowitzki
25 Andy LaRoche
26 Matt Garza
27 Adam Lind
28 Nick Adenhart
29 James Loney
30 Fernando Martinez
31 Clayton Kershaw
32 Jose Tabata
33 Adam Jones
34 Carlos Gonzalez
35 Luke Hochevar

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