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Hanley Ramirez

Thoughts on Hanley Ramirez

In his first 15 games for the Florida Marlins, Hanley Ramirez is hitting .344/.400/.594 with six doubles, two triples, two homers, three steals, six walks, and 16 strikeouts in 64 at-bats. The only flaw here is his strikeout rate, more than once per game. Everything else is strong. . .power, batting average, OBP, speed. Unless things change quickly (and the season has hardly just begun of course), it will be Ramirez in contention for Rookie of the Year, not fellow Marlin Jeremy Hermida.

Let's review Ramirez and what I've written about him in the past.

Ramirez made his pro debut in 2002, hitting .341 in 45 games for the GCL Red Sox, then .371 in 22 games for Lowell in the NY-P. His performance was strong and scouts loved his tools, but he also showed a sour attitude and a poor work ethic. I gave him a Grade B+ in the 2003 book, noting that it was a conservative grade.

Moving up to the Sally League in 2003, Ramirez hit just .275/.327/.403 for Augusta. Granted he was age 19, and he did steal 36 bases. More worrisome was continued erratic defense, and further run-ins on disciplinary matters and poor work ethic. Still, I gave him a Grade B+ in the 2004 book, on the basis of his youth and tools.

Ramirez split '04 between Class A Sarasota and Double-A Portland, hitting .310 at both levels along with a .360 OBP and .512 SLG at Portland. Outstanding for a 20-year-old shortstop! He improved his defense, and also showed a much better attitude and work ethic. I gave him a Grade A- in the '05 book, and predicted that he would be ready to take over a shortstop job in 2006.

`05 was a mixed bag. Ramirez continued to tighten up his defense, and for the second year in a row he showed a good work ethic and no problems with bad behavior. But his hitting was disappointing: .271/.335/.385 for Portland. His power dropped off, he lost 30 points of batting average and OBP. His strikeout rate remained reasonable, but he just didn't hit with the same authority as the previous year. His OPS was right at Eastern League average.

I puzzled over his grade in the 2006 book. I originally rated him at Grade B+, but changed it to Grade B before the book went to press. I wrote that he needed a year of Triple-A, but that the trade to Florida might push up the timetable.

So here we are in late April and Ramirez is tearing the place up. As you can see, his track record is a bit erratic, excellent at times and just-decent at others. The concerns about his personality and work ethic have abated. While I don't think we can expect him to hit .340 all year, his quick start should firm up his hold on the shortstop job. Given his age and athleticism, he has a good chance to develop into a truly outstanding player, perhaps something like Edgar Renteria at his age 27/28 peak.

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Two things:

The Eastern League is a tough place for hitters and last year seemed tougher than usual.  I think his performance there last year was better than it looked.

I seriously doubt that he will keep up this pace all season.  Look for a final BA of around .270 or so. with 23-15 HR's.  Not bad for a rookie SS, but nothing like his hot start.

by DrBGiantsfan on Apr 23, 2006 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HR's
If he hits 20 HR's as a SS I'd put him as a near lock for the NL ROY.
God rested one day out of 7, Felix rests 4 out of 5.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Apr 23, 2006 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was so wrong about him
I have bad mouthed Hanley soooo much.

15 games is not enough to call him a sucess but it is enough for me to know I was wrong about him.

by novaoakland on Apr 23, 2006 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shame
I've had my ups and downs on the guy.  At one point, I was SO down on him... it pains me to admit this... but I traded him for Charlie Zink...
God rested one day out of 7, Felix rests 4 out of 5.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Apr 23, 2006 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hanley
what round was he drafted in?
A-Rod: 2005 American League MVP

by yanksfan6129 on Apr 24, 2006 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Round
The 75th...
God rested one day out of 7, Felix rests 4 out of 5.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Apr 24, 2006 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Undrafted FA
He was signed out of the dominican.

On another note: Why do people think hanley will hit a 270-280 average, but 15-20 HR? It makes no sense, the guy has incredible bat speed and control, and an advanced knowledge of how to spray the ball all over the place, the one thing he has yet to show, is good enough power to hit 15-20.  I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him hit 290 this year with about 10 HR, especially in that park.

by jspearlj1 on Apr 24, 2006 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
For a guy who ha generated so much discussion and controversy in the past, this was a pretty small discussion.
God rested one day out of 7, Felix rests 4 out of 5.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Apr 25, 2006 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll chime in
I think that 15 HR might be a bit ambitious for Hanley this year, but he certainly has that kind of power potential.  He hits with authority.  

I really believe that his problems last season derived from his getting away from his strengths.  Hanley was trying to pull the ball a lot (enticed by the "monster" LF wall at Hadlock?).  He's at his best hitting line drives in the right-center gap.

I think he'll be a better hitter than Renteria over his career.

by Roadduck99 on Apr 25, 2006 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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