Poll: Who's your favorite Jedi Knight?
Just guessing this would be a popular topic. Being a Star Wars buff, I'm interested in people's responses and reasons.
For what it's worth, I only included Jedi that were fairly significant characters in the 6 films. I didn't include Leia (who doesn't get training in the movies), nor other characters from the Jedi Council, nor Count Dooku (since we never encounter him during his Jedi career in the films). I considered leaving off Ki-Adi-Mundi, but he gets a fair number of lines in the first three episodes.
I'll leave my personal opinion for below...
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Hmmm
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 9:23 AM EST reply actions
Obiwan
by steve johnson on Feb 24, 2006 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Kenobi
Sam Jackson as Mace Windu is also excellent, and Qui-Gon was very well done, but had to be killed off in the first one. Sigh.
by Marc Normandin @ Minor League Ball on Feb 25, 2006 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I voted Qui-Gon
by cdamon @ Minor League Ball on Feb 24, 2006 9:33 AM EST reply actions
I wish...
Have you noticed that all of the human characters in the prequels speak exactly the same, in that sort of bland, accent-less American English? They have no personality.
The special effects are killer, though. Seeing Yoda fight was definitely worth the price of admission, and Natalie Portman's presence will bring any film up a notch or two.
by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 24, 2006 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Effects
BTW, the makeup job on the emperor in Ep III was the WORST and most unnecessary effect I've ever seen.
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I'm going to say something sacriligeous
by sasquatch83 on Feb 24, 2006 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Amen
Miserable casting job on those two characters.
Now, as to who the best jedi knight is, it's Yoda, and frankly, it's not up for debate. no one rocks like Yoda rocks.
by Jgaztambide on Feb 24, 2006 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Christensen
by Mr Met @ Minor League Ball on Feb 24, 2006 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
They are supposed to "suck"
Awww man...
That actually makes me like their performance even less. It's Star Wars, not Ed Wood...they should save their cinematic "genious" for the Sundance Festival.
by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 24, 2006 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Not awful ...
really?
"Hayden, Natalie, I want you guys to pretend that you're completely in love, drenched head to toe in passion for each other. Imagine what that feels like, to be in love. Now.... I want you to ignore it. Give me a dead-pan performance. When you look into each other's eyes, I want you to seem as interested as when you do the dishes... there... yes... PERFECT! I've never seen a more disinterested couple on screen before. Well done. The public and critics will love this throwback romance piece!"
I can't see it. This is not a low budget Indy movie where directors get cute with references to Casa Blanca, this was supposed to be a Sci-Fi classic.
Totally serious ...
Curious
Even if that was what they were going for (emotional detachment, monotonous conversations, no chemistry), it's not as though there was superb acting to begin with. The acting was bad and the direction they were asked to go in was worse.
Regardless, is this your theory or has this been reported?
"You'll find Luke ...
It's the way I see it. I don't read all too much literature about movies or other genres of art. I let the work speak for itself.
BS
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 27, 2006 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
What are you sorry for?
Bullshit
We weren't discussing one of the best film series ever. Episodes 4-6 are a great films series. Episodes 1-3 won't even end up as the 2d or third best trio of films over the last 10 years. Lord of the Rings blew it away, the Spiderman and X-men trios could certainly do the same. In fact, the only contemporary trilogy that I can think of right now that was unquestionably worse than those movies was the three American Pie movies.
Eps 1-3 were simply badly made movies. Bad acting, worse directing and the most glaring overreliance on special effects I can think of. If they hadn't been titled Star Wars the second two would never have made it to the theatre, but the brand is a money making machine, so they did.
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 27, 2006 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Bullshitting ...
agreed
But, she's cute as hell.
by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 24, 2006 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
yup
i agree that natalie's easy on the eyes though.
No, no
by Marc Normandin @ Minor League Ball on Feb 25, 2006 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
disagree
Something I didn't like about the effects
For example, their space fights had things blowing up left and right, and a ton of CGI just overwhelming your senses. While it was impressive, it actually detracted from the movie, in my opinion.
by sasquatch83 on Feb 24, 2006 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
CGI
Thats why I was such a big fan of War of the World's CGI, it seemlessly fit into the world.
LOTR
In the prequels, it seemed like the only times they didn't use CGI was when they COULDN'T use CGI, rather than using CGI only when it couldn't be done another way.
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
III
I hated Ep I. Awful. Dismal.
Ep II was flawed but fun.
I thought Ep III was really good actually. Palpatine's corruption of Anakin was expertly done. I thought Christiansen was pretty good in this one actually, though I agree that Portman wasn't. But I blame Lucas, not the actress.
ep. I
and what about the pod racing? i personally thought that was a pretty cool sequence and even if it can't defend itself on its own merits, it earns some points based on the fact that it spawned a pretty sweet video game for nintendo 64
but the most underrated part about ep 1: the music. especially in those 2 scenes, it was really really good. in fact, IMO the music in ep. I was the only music that matched that of the originals.
by Rob Castellano on Feb 24, 2006 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
At this stage
by Marc Normandin @ Minor League Ball on Feb 25, 2006 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Lucas
Ummm
by Yoda @ Minor League Ball on Feb 24, 2006 11:11 AM EST reply actions
may the force be with you
Now, as for the most unintentionally comical bit of 'acting' I've ever seen, remember in Ep. III, when Aniken first gets his Darth Vador suit? Palpitine tells him that Portman died, and Vador lets out this anguished cry while attempting to thrash about. I laughed my @#$ off. Seriously. I'm laughing as I type this, just thinking of it.
yeah
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
"Noooooooooo"
Yeah, they could have done that better.
by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 24, 2006 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Funny link
by sasquatch83 on Feb 24, 2006 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Episode I not as bad over time
It is first and foremost a kids movie, and it succeeds as such. 9 year olds who watched this in 1999 were 15 by the time the much more adult-themed Episode III came out.
Not trying to be an apologist for Lucas, since there is a LOT that could have been done better story/casting-wise in the prequels. But I think the 6 films do a good job of tying together and telling one big story in an effective and entertaining manner.
agree strongly
I think too many of the Star Wars fans watched Ep 4-6 with kid eyes and watched Ep 1-3 with adult eyes. And New Hope was so far beyond any earlier SciFi movies that everyone, adults included, were more willing to overlook its flaws. None of the 6 are great cinema in the sense of having consistently great acting and dialogue. But they are all good stories with great FX that are well enough executed to be extraordinary on the whole.
I think ESB was the best movie of the 3, but Ep 6 (ROTJ) is the worst. Except for a certain alien (who didn't bother me as much as the damned ewoks), Episode 1 was a very good movie, comparable to New Hope. I actually liked Natalie Portman in that movie. She (or more likely her part) got much worse for the last 2 movies. QuiGon, Anakin's mother and several others were also very well acted.
by cdamon @ Minor League Ball on Feb 24, 2006 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
As an experiment, we had my last girlfriend watch Episodes 1-3 BEFORE she watched 4-6, as she had never seen any of them. She liked them all pretty equally; your adult eyes versus kid eyes theory may ring true.
by Marc Normandin @ Minor League Ball on Feb 25, 2006 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Luke
by crosis @ Minor League Ball on Feb 24, 2006 1:12 PM EST reply actions
My $0.02
As for my favorite Jedi, my vote goes to Qui-Gon Jinn, and it's not particularly close. There are a lot of things to like about him - a maverick Jedi with tons of talent, and yet at the same time, a little too big for his own britches. His padawan is arguably the greatest hero in the story (Obi-Wan, for his heroics in the prequels and his guidance of Luke in the original trilogy), he finds and correctly identifies Anakin as the chosen one, and he even ties Dooku into the story as well. It helps that I've always enjoyed Liam Neeson's work, and he is awesome in this role, essentially co-starring with Portman in the film (although, even having seen him in a number of films before and since TPM, I cannot see him as anyone other than Qui-Gon anymore).
As for the raging discussion of the originals vs. prequels, I think it really depends on your tastes. The prequels are more of a story about diplomacy and politics (and the blurred lines of good and evil), whereas the original trilogy was more about heroes. If you think about the prequels, Obi-Wan and Padme are really the only consistent central heroes (an argument could be made for R2D2 or Mace Windu, but their heroics aren't exactly center-stage, and Qui-Gon is gone after one episode). We're drawn to Anakin, but his behaviour is often less than heroic. However, in the original films, heroes are everywhere at all times - Obi-Wan, Luke, Leia, Han, Chewy, R2, etc....Even villians like Lando and Darth Vader become heroic by the time it's all said and done.
I grew up with the original trilogy (born in 1973), but I have to say that I prefer the prequels now because I enjoy the politics and the character development. While I tend to agree about Natalie Portman's acting (bad), I tend to disagree about Hayden Christensen's work. He's supposed to be a pouty and whiny teenager in Attack of the Clones, just like his son was in A New Hope. I think his work in Revenge of the Sith is strong as well.
If there's someone to be faulted in all of this, it's the poor dialogue by Lucas. The entire series is rife with lousy writing, which is odd considering what a great overall story it is. Star Wars touches a broad audience because there are so many themes (dark vs. light force, romance, action, scifi, tragedy, drama, comedy, etc), and it's ironic that such a good story has such bad writing. However, good dialogue might take away from the campiness of all of them, which is also a drawing point.
I'm rambling and consuming your time. I'll leave with a final thought - I really hope someone can talk Lucas into making an Episode Zero - There's a lot of backstory that could make a whole other movie. In Episode Zero, we could learn about where Palpatine came from (is it really Naboo?), his training by and eventual betrayal of Darth Plaguis the Wise, and where he came up with Darth Maul (and the series of events that led to his teaming up with the Trade Federation prior to the blockade/invasion of Naboo). We could get some backstory on the corruption of Count Dooku and his relationship with former padawan Qui-Gon (and perhaps something about Syfo-dias). Plus, we'd undoubtedly get to see Obi-Wan and Padme as children, starting to develop their identities (Obi-Wan as a young padawan with Yoda, and Padme learning politics at school).
A great series. Thank you for all your thoughts.
neeson
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Neeson
:)
by steve johnson on Feb 24, 2006 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Mara Jade
by William K @ Minor League Ball on Feb 24, 2006 8:27 PM EST reply actions
Yoda?
Old Obi Wan
Ep 1-3 weren't so bad
I remember seeing Episode 2 on IMAX and thought the movie was really good - the difference between the IMAX and the screen version was that they had to cut down the film to fit the 2 hour limit (mostly cutting out the Anakin-Padme scenes which were awkward). If he hadn't tried to do too many things with the films (tell the backstory, show the cool visuals) I'm sure the films would have been received much better critically - but it's his world and he can do what he likes (and we'll keep buying stuff).
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