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Poll: Who's your favorite Jedi Knight?

Just guessing this would be a popular topic. Being a Star Wars buff, I'm interested in people's responses and reasons.

For what it's worth, I only included Jedi that were fairly significant characters in the 6 films. I didn't include Leia (who doesn't get training in the movies), nor other characters from the Jedi Council, nor Count Dooku (since we never encounter him during his Jedi career in the films). I considered leaving off Ki-Adi-Mundi, but he gets a fair number of lines in the first three episodes.

I'll leave my personal opinion for below...

Poll
Who's your favorite Jedi Knight?
Ki-Adi-Mundi
1 votes
Anakin Skywalker
7 votes
Luke Skywalker
28 votes
Qui-Gon Jinn
16 votes
Obi-Wan Kenobi
81 votes
Yoda
65 votes
Mace Windu
21 votes

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Hmmm
Doesn't seem like the Prequels are getting much love.  Darn shame.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 9:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Obi-Wan
And it isn't close.

by samjjones on Feb 24, 2006 9:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Obiwan
I think Kenobi's the most interesting character.  Looking at the expanded universe, Luke may be the most powerfull (Yoda included), but Mark Hamil bugs me.

by steve johnson on Feb 24, 2006 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kenobi
Kenobi is my favorite, and I really love the job Ewan McGregor did with him in the prequels to be honest.

Sam Jackson as Mace Windu is also excellent, and Qui-Gon was very well done, but had to be killed off in the first one. Sigh.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 25, 2006 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted Qui-Gon
The jedi battles in Ep 1 make the Darth/ObiWan battle in Ep 4 look like the Stones at the superbowl.

by cdamon on Feb 24, 2006 9:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wish...
I wish the original 3 movies were made with today's special effect capabilities.  I'm sorry, but the storylines and the characters in the 70's movies blow the prequels away.

Have you noticed that all of the human characters in the prequels speak exactly the same, in that sort of bland, accent-less American English?  They have no personality.

The special effects are killer, though.  Seeing Yoda fight was definitely worth the price of admission, and Natalie Portman's presence will bring any film up a notch or two.
 

by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 24, 2006 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Effects
That was aprt of the problem, they spent so much time and money on the effects, they forgot to make a movie that didn't suck.  I fell asleep in the theater during parts of Ep III.
BTW, the makeup job on the emperor in Ep III was the WORST and most unnecessary effect I've ever seen.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 9:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to say something sacriligeous
Natalie Portman was absolutely horrible in the prequels.  Except when she didn't have to talk, and even then, her action scenes were wooden.  

by sasquatch83 on Feb 24, 2006 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen
her and Hayden Christiansen were both miserable. The thing is, they've both made movies where I really enjoy them, and they're quality actors, but GOD were some of those scenes painful.  

Miserable casting job on those two characters.  

Now, as to who the best jedi knight is, it's Yoda, and frankly, it's not up for debate.  no one rocks like Yoda rocks.  

by Jgaztambide on Feb 24, 2006 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Christensen
For proof Hayden Christensen can act, check out Shattered Glass. You won't believe he's the same guy who played Anakin.

by Mr Met on Feb 24, 2006 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They are supposed to "suck"
Nat and Hayden's performances are stiff by design. They are throwback performances, a tribute to old-time cinema. They are an homage to two epic couples from the silver screen: Deanie & Bud, "Splendor In The Grass" (1961); and Rick & Ilsa, "Casablanca" (1942). People complain about how lifeless the lovestory between Anakin & Padme is, but in my opinion they give stellar, out-of-time performances.  

by StickRat on Feb 24, 2006 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Awww man...
So, you're saying, they were awful on purpose?  
That actually makes me like their performance even less.  It's Star Wars, not Ed Wood...they should save their cinematic "genious" for the Sundance Festival.

by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 24, 2006 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad acting...
... is bad acting.  

by The Colonel on Feb 24, 2006 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not awful ...
Being awful is the product failure. Nat & Hayden were brilliant for what they set out to do. And Lucas made the movies he wanted to make. The prequels were not only made to pre-date Epi's 4-6 on the Star Wars timeline. The movies were intended to pre-date '70s and '80s cinema in real time. Big, over-the-top, emotionless love stories were a sign of the times in pre-sci-fi Hollywood. Maybe Lucas' direction isn't popular with the mainstream, but he has said all along these are the movies he intended to make. Epi's 4-6 all catored to the audience. I don't believe Lucas is asking a lot in that the audience cator to the out-of-time tone of epi's 1-3. To quote the great Huey Lewis, to enjoy the films you've got to go "Back In Ti-yi-yime!"

by StickRat on Feb 24, 2006 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

really?
Are you serious?  I can't tell if this is dripping with sarcasm or if you really think they delivered good performances.  I just can't understand how someone would ask for a performance like that.

"Hayden, Natalie, I want you guys to pretend that you're completely in love, drenched head to toe in passion for each other.  Imagine what that feels like, to be in love.  Now.... I want you to ignore it.  Give me a dead-pan performance.  When you look into each other's eyes, I want you to seem as interested as when you do the dishes... there... yes... PERFECT!  I've never seen a more disinterested couple on screen before.  Well done.  The public and critics will love this throwback romance piece!"

I can't see it.  This is not a low budget Indy movie where directors get cute with references to Casa Blanca, this was supposed to be a Sci-Fi classic.  

by Jgaztambide on Feb 24, 2006 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally serious ...
It's like Sam Jackson's death scene. You can't tell me Sam's acting skills are unhoned to the point that he can't play an emotional death scene. His emotionless fall from the window ledge was by design, to set the stage for a more emotionally fueled confrontation in Empire when Vader defeats Luke. Same with the romance between Anakin & Padme. It sets the stage for a more engaging, romantic dynamic between Han & Leia.

by StickRat on Feb 24, 2006 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Curious
I'm just curious if this is something that Lukas or the studio or the actors have said, or if this is your guess as to why they put on such a craptaculat performance.  

Even if that was what they were going for (emotional detachment, monotonous conversations, no chemistry), it's not as though there was superb acting to begin with.  The acting was bad and the direction they were asked to go in was worse.  

Regardless, is this your theory or has this been reported?

by Jgaztambide on Feb 24, 2006 5:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"You'll find Luke ...
that much of what we perceive depends on our own point of view."

It's the way I see it. I don't read all too much literature about movies or other genres of art. I let the work speak for itself.

by StickRat on Feb 24, 2006 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BS
Sorry, but that sounds like a load of complete and total bullshit.  if Lucas wanted to make a throwback film, he should have used the same type of effects as he used in the originals.  The movies were simply badly made and badly directed.  You can crap in a can, call it Art and sell it for worth it's weight in gold, but that doesn't make it anything other than a piece of crap in a can.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 27, 2006 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What are you sorry for?
You are entitled to your opinion. I don't appreciate you labeling my opinion as bullshit, but that too is your prerogative. I do find it interesting that people insist on criticizing one of the best film series ever made, yet many can't seem to even compose a grammatically correct sentence. Just shows that mastering a genre of art is a lot more challenging than Lucas made it look with the original trilogy.

by StickRat on Feb 27, 2006 6:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bullshit
Actually, i'm not talking about bullshit the noun, I'm talking about bullshit the verb.  I went to an art school, i know a thing or two about bullshit.  You were bulshitting.  Suggesting that the movies stunk because they were meant to stink is pure bullshit.
We weren't discussing one of the best film series ever.  Episodes 4-6 are a great films series.  Episodes 1-3 won't even end up as the 2d or third best trio of films over the last 10 years.  Lord of the Rings blew it away, the Spiderman and X-men trios could certainly do the same.  In fact, the only contemporary trilogy that I can think of right now that was unquestionably worse than those movies was the three American Pie movies.
Eps 1-3 were simply badly made movies.  Bad acting, worse directing and the most glaring overreliance on special effects I can think of.  If they hadn't been titled Star Wars the second two would never have made it to the theatre, but the brand is a money making machine, so they did.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 27, 2006 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bullshitting ...
isn't something I care to do. I call 'em like I see 'em. Chop it up all you want, but Star Wars episodes 1-6 is a series of films. Lucas made the movies the way he did because his audience had matured, and he wanted to discourage kids from falling in love with the franchise so he could make the transformation from Anakin to Vader as graphic as it needed to be. The stiff acting works because it's a period piece. The overuse of effects works to funnel the story into the later episodes (a.k.a. the original series) and succeeds in not overshadowing them. Hence, the series from 1-6 gains momentum so 2 is better than 1, 3 is better than 2, 4 is better than 3, 5 is better than 4, and 6 serves as an even-keel resolution. People have been shitting on progressive art since the beginning of time, and people have been shitting on Episodes 1-3 since it became apparent Lucas wasn't going to spoon feed it to them. Time has a way of putting genius into focus, however. People are already starting to realize "The Phantom Menace" is a pretty darn good picture. Let's talk again in 50 years and discuss how the mainstream perceives the entire work of Star Wars.  

by StickRat on Feb 28, 2006 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed
I agree... like I said, her along with every other human character seemed to have the same personality (i.e. no personality).  
But, she's cute as hell.

by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 24, 2006 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yup
george lucas should never be allowed to direct again. it's amazing how he was able to turn a talented cast into walking & talking blocks of wood.

i agree that natalie's easy on the eyes though.

by jpahk on Feb 24, 2006 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, no
George Lucas just never gets to write another love scene. He can direct all he wants.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 25, 2006 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

disagree
On paper the special effects should look good...but on the screen they make the movie look like a big cartoon.

by shaftr on Feb 24, 2006 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Something I didn't like about the effects
Especially in the third movie, they just crammed so much CGI into scenes that it was impossible to pick out what was really good about the effects.  

For example, their space fights had things blowing up left and right, and a ton of CGI just overwhelming your senses.  While it was impressive, it actually detracted from the movie, in my opinion.

by sasquatch83 on Feb 24, 2006 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

CGI
That is the problem with CGI is it is too often used as the main attraction.  CGI is often really shiny and cartoony as a result.  Think of some of the first few films with great CGI (ie. Jurassic Park, T2), that CGI still looks great and often better than stuff now.

Thats why I was such a big fan of War of the World's CGI, it seemlessly fit into the world.

by shaftr on Feb 24, 2006 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOTR
I'd have loved to see what Peter Jackson could have done with the SW prequels.  jackson used miniatures, 'bigatures', CGI and on site filming so flawlessly and seamlessly.
In the prequels, it seemed like the only times they didn't use CGI was when they COULDN'T use CGI, rather than using CGI only when it couldn't be done another way.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

III
I thought Ep III was better than Ep II and light-years ahead of Ep I.

I hated Ep I. Awful. Dismal.

Ep II was flawed but fun.

I thought Ep III was really good actually. Palpatine's corruption of Anakin was expertly done. I thought Christiansen was pretty good in this one actually, though I agree that Portman wasn't. But I blame Lucas, not the actress.

by John Sickels on Feb 24, 2006 10:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

ep. I
what about the whole story with darth maul? i thought that was really cool and that light saber battle...awesome. that thing was incredible and is still probably my favorite alltime star wars scene

and what about the pod racing? i personally thought that was a pretty cool sequence and even if it can't defend itself on its own merits, it earns some points based on the fact that it spawned a pretty sweet video game for nintendo 64

but the most underrated part about ep 1: the music. especially in those 2 scenes, it was really really good. in fact, IMO the music in ep. I was the only music that matched that of the originals.

by robcast23 on Feb 24, 2006 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
Very good points, however each and every one of them is outweighed by the atrocity that was Jar Jar Binks.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At this stage
Jar Jar doesn't even bother me anymore. I can't tell if it is because I am numb or because I've accepted him. I think I like the prequels alot more than most to be honest. Episode I is good besides Young Anakin, who was a little too whiny for my taste. I enjoyed the movie overall though. Episode II ran a little slow in parts, but was entertaining and I liked it. Episode III was very well done I thought; they tied up all the loose ends well and made a very good movie. To be fair, I don't really want to get into any sort of argument about it, because I personally enjoyed them and that works for me.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 25, 2006 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lucas
I agree.  The best one was Empire Strikes Back, where Lucas wasn't as involved with direction/dialogue.  As Harrison Ford said "You can write this shit George, but you sure the hell can't say it."  Even the not so good actors were good in ESB.
"Second guessers are guys that could have never gotten it right the first time." - Tommy Lasorda (for guys that have no other defense for their actions.)

by slurve on Feb 24, 2006 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm
That would have to be me, I guess.
Yoda

by Yoda on Feb 24, 2006 11:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

may the force be with you
Young Obi is the best.  By far.

Now, as for the most unintentionally comical bit of 'acting' I've ever seen, remember in Ep. III, when Aniken first gets his Darth Vador suit?  Palpitine tells him that Portman died, and Vador lets out this anguished cry while attempting to thrash about.  I laughed my @#$ off.  Seriously.  I'm laughing as I type this, just thinking of it.  

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by mssickels on Feb 24, 2006 11:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah
I heard quite a few chuckles in the theater at that point.  It looked and sounded so hokey, like something you'd see on an original Star Trek episode.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Noooooooooo"
Vader's "Noooooo" cry sounded just like a Conan O'Brien skit, where the drummer Max Wienberg whips out a shotgun in slow motion, and aims it at Andy.  Conan lets out a slow motion "Nooooooo" as Max shoots Andy.

Yeah, they could have done that better.

by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 24, 2006 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny link
Some of you might have seen this, but if anyone hasn't, it's worth a laugh. These are screenshots of a priated version of Ep III with subtitles - it was dubbed in Chinese and received a horrendous subtitling job. Linky

by sasquatch83 on Feb 24, 2006 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol
That's hilarious.  I love it

by Jgaztambide on Feb 24, 2006 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Episode I not as bad over time
I've recently watched the first 3 prequels in order while out of work for thumb surgery, and Episode I has gotten better over time.  I think that after 15 years of dreaming, fans had entirely different expectations of what the first prequel was supposed to be.

It is first and foremost a kids movie, and it succeeds as such.  9 year olds who watched this in 1999 were 15 by the time the much more adult-themed Episode III came out.

Not trying to be an apologist for Lucas, since there is a LOT that could have been done better story/casting-wise in the prequels.  But I think the 6 films do a good job of tying together and telling one big story in an effective and entertaining manner.

by samjjones on Feb 24, 2006 12:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

agree strongly
How can anybody complain about wooden acting after having suffered through Mark Hammil for 3 movies? Of course having two of the most talented actors in the last half century supporting the movie helped.

I think too many of the Star Wars fans watched Ep 4-6 with kid eyes and watched Ep 1-3 with adult eyes. And New Hope was so far beyond any earlier SciFi movies that everyone, adults included, were more willing to overlook its flaws. None of the 6 are great cinema in the sense of having consistently great acting and dialogue. But they are all good stories with great FX that are well enough executed to be extraordinary on the whole.

I think ESB was the best movie of the 3, but Ep 6 (ROTJ) is the worst. Except for a certain alien (who didn't bother me as much as the damned ewoks), Episode 1 was a very good movie, comparable to New Hope. I actually liked Natalie Portman in that movie. She (or more likely her part) got much worse for the last 2 movies. QuiGon, Anakin's mother and several others were also very well acted.

by cdamon on Feb 24, 2006 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
I really enjoy the prequels the more I watch them.

As an experiment, we had my last girlfriend watch Episodes 1-3 BEFORE she watched 4-6, as she had never seen any of them. She liked them all pretty equally; your adult eyes versus kid eyes theory may ring true.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 25, 2006 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Luke
I voted for Luke, but only because I read the post-movie books.  Anakin Solo would easily take the cake if he wasn't killed off; he showed incredible promise at a very young age.

by crosis on Feb 24, 2006 1:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My $0.02
I created this poll this morning, but have not weighed in as of yet.

As for my favorite Jedi, my vote goes to Qui-Gon Jinn, and it's not particularly close. There are a lot of things to like about him - a maverick Jedi with tons of talent, and yet at the same time, a little too big for his own britches. His padawan is arguably the greatest hero in the story (Obi-Wan, for his heroics in the prequels and his guidance of Luke in the original trilogy), he finds and correctly identifies Anakin as the chosen one, and he even ties Dooku into the story as well. It helps that I've always enjoyed Liam Neeson's work, and he is awesome in this role, essentially co-starring with Portman in the film (although, even having seen him in a number of films before and since TPM, I cannot see him as anyone other than Qui-Gon anymore).

As for the raging discussion of the originals vs. prequels, I think it really depends on your tastes. The prequels are more of a story about diplomacy and politics (and the blurred lines of good and evil), whereas the original trilogy was more about heroes. If you think about the prequels, Obi-Wan and Padme are really the only consistent central heroes (an argument could be made for R2D2 or Mace Windu, but their heroics aren't exactly center-stage, and Qui-Gon is gone after one episode). We're drawn to Anakin, but his behaviour is often less than heroic. However, in the original films, heroes are everywhere at all times - Obi-Wan, Luke, Leia, Han, Chewy, R2, etc....Even villians like Lando and Darth Vader become heroic by the time it's all said and done.

I grew up with the original trilogy (born in 1973), but I have to say that I prefer the prequels now because I enjoy the politics and the character development. While I tend to agree about Natalie Portman's acting (bad), I tend to disagree about Hayden Christensen's work. He's supposed to be a pouty and whiny teenager in Attack of the Clones, just like his son was in A New Hope. I think his work in Revenge of the Sith is strong as well.

If there's someone to be faulted in all of this, it's the poor dialogue by Lucas. The entire series is rife with lousy writing, which is odd considering what a great overall story it is. Star Wars touches a broad audience because there are so many themes (dark vs. light force, romance, action, scifi, tragedy, drama, comedy, etc), and it's ironic that such a good story has such bad writing. However, good dialogue might take away from the campiness of all of them, which is also a drawing point.

I'm rambling and consuming your time. I'll leave with a final thought - I really hope someone can talk Lucas into making an Episode Zero - There's a lot of backstory that could make a whole other movie. In Episode Zero, we could learn about where Palpatine came from (is it really Naboo?), his training by and eventual betrayal of Darth Plaguis the Wise, and where he came up with Darth Maul (and the series of events that led to his teaming up with the Trade Federation prior to the blockade/invasion of Naboo). We could get some backstory on the corruption of Count Dooku and his relationship with former padawan Qui-Gon (and perhaps something about Syfo-dias). Plus, we'd undoubtedly get to see Obi-Wan and Padme as children, starting to develop their identities (Obi-Wan as a young padawan with Yoda, and Padme learning politics at school).

A great series. Thank you for all your thoughts.

by superpriebe on Feb 24, 2006 3:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

neeson
I'll always see neeson as Oskar Schindler.  By far his greatest and most memorable role, IMO.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 24, 2006 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Neeson
He's an incredible actor.  Also very good match for Raz Algul in Batman.

:)

by steve johnson on Feb 24, 2006 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
He played that perfectly.  One of the major strengths of the movie

by Doug on Feb 24, 2006 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mara Jade
From the 'sequels' written by Timothy Zahn.  Now if only Lucas decides to make Episode VII to IX based on that trilogy....

by William K on Feb 24, 2006 8:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yoda?
Where's the Yoda love?  I think Obi-Wan is second, but it's not close.  

by Doug on Feb 24, 2006 10:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Old Obi Wan
I think Old Obi Wan is great, for his performance in that bar-room brawl in the first movie alone.  

by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 25, 2006 8:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ep 1-3 weren't so bad
I think the big thing that Lucas tried to do with Episodes 1 to 3 was to finally bring his vision of the Star Wars Universe to screen so that everyone could see what was going on inside his head.  As visuals, the movies are great.

I remember seeing Episode 2 on IMAX and thought the movie was really good - the difference between the IMAX and the screen version was that they had to cut down the film to fit the 2 hour limit (mostly cutting out the Anakin-Padme scenes which were awkward).  If he hadn't tried to do too many things with the films (tell the backstory, show the cool visuals) I'm sure the films would have been received much better critically - but it's his world and he can do what he likes (and we'll keep buying stuff).

by thran on Feb 27, 2006 2:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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