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Prospect Retro: Chris Duncan

Prospect Retro: Chris Duncan

Chris Duncan was drafted in the supplemental first round of the 1999 draft, out of high school in Tucson, Arizona. He had good power potential, but he had holes in his swing and a bad glove, and most teams saw him as a third-round type talent. . .the fact that his father Dave was the Cardinals pitching coach raised questions of nepotism when his son went in the supplemental round. His pro debut was not very successful: he hit just .214/.300/.353 in the Appalachian League, striking out 62 times in 55 games for Johnson City. At this point he'd rate as a Grade C prospect.

Duncan moved up to Peoria in the Midwest League in 2000, hitting .256/.318/.384 in 122 games. He hit 34 doubles but just eight homers, and strike zone judgment was a problem for him. He also made 35 errors at first base. I put him in the '01 book as a Grade C- prospect since he was still young.

The Cardinals promoted him aggressively to the Carolina League to begin 2001, and he was terrible, hitting .179/.229/.268 in 49 games. He did better after returning to Peoria, hitting .306/.386/.529 with 13 homers and 23 doubles in 80 games. I rated him as Grade C in the 2002 book, noting that he'd improved his strike zone judgment somewhat.

Duncan took another tour of the Midwest League in 2002, hitting .271/.337/.437 with 16 homers in 129 games, working on his defense and trying to refine the strike zone further. But this was now his third go-around the Midwest League, and I was increasingly skeptical that he would pan out as a useful player. Grade C-.

The Cards moved him back up to advanced A-ball in 2003, and he was terrible, hitting just .254/.322/.315 with two homers in 121 games for Palm Beach in the Florida State League. Let's see...22 years old, horrible year in A-ball, bad glove. Not much of a prospect by this point. Grade C-.

All that changed in 2004. Promoted to Double-A, Duncan hit .289/.393/.473 with 16 homers for Tennessee. Most impressive was a dramatic improvement in his strike zone judgment: he drew 64 walks against 94 strikeouts in 387 at-bats. "Chris Duncan is an enigma," I wrote in the 2005 book. I wasn't sure what to make of him. . .the season was out of context. I gave him a Grade C, noting that I wanted to see more but that his progress could be genuine.

Promoted to Triple-A Memphis in '05, he hit .265/.358/.469 with 21 homers. He maintained a decent walk rate and struck out 104 times. He reminded me of guys like Brian Daubach, Paul Sorrento, or Jay Gibbons. . .someone who could hit .240-..260 with 20-25 homers for you if you gave him enough at-bats, not enough to carry your lineup but enough to be useful if deployed properly. I gave him another Grade C in the book this year, writing that his best outcome would be "some form of Brian Daubachdom."

Duncan hit .293/.363/.589 in 90 games for the Cardinals this year, which is certainly much better than I expected. Can he keep this up? I dunno, but check this out:

Chris Duncan, 2006      280 at-bats, 22 homers, .293/.363/.589, 30 walks, 69 strikeouts
Brian Daubach, 1999    381 at-bats, 21 homers, .294/.360/.562, 36 walks, 92 strikeouts

Duncan was 25 this year and Daubach was 27 in 1999, which makes a difference in long-term outlook.

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I am glad that Duncan is doing so well and repping AZ, but holds the distinction of being the only MLB'er I have kicked the crap out of. I played against him in high school (he went to Canyon del Oro) and after a summer league basketball game I gave him a beating in the parking lot. Boy was he a cocky prick back then! He got me back the next spring when he drilled me on the hip with a 91mph fastball. I still think I got the bruise!

by ScottAZ on Oct 26, 2006 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Strike Zone Judgement
How do you explain a sudden improvement in strike zone judegement?  This is the mental part of the game and would seem to involve pattern recognition and how fast the brain can process that picture and send the signal to either swing or hold up back to the body.  Is it just repetition and imprinting those patterns on the brain thus contracting reaction time?  Are there drills Duncan may have worked on in the offseason?  I'm interested in anyone who has insight into this.

by DrBGiantsfan on Oct 26, 2006 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

off the top of my head.....
I read this article in Baseball Digest in 2004 in which Carlos Beltran

That includes help with collecting $85,000 from teammates to pay for a weird-looking machine that spits out tennis balls at 140 mph, designed to improve a batter's eye. The contraption is a cross between a blowtorch and a chain saw. It has an orange canister, a vacuum-thinner motor and a five-foot tube that rests on a tripod.

Guess that may be one way to help with batting eye, reflexes, so on....

by thomasps3 on Oct 26, 2006 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

First thing I thought of too
But I think that was more for pitch recognition than strike zone recognition.  Though it's all kinda related.

by Yakker on Oct 26, 2006 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's been around for a while
I seem to remember Edgar Martinez being a big proponent of it.

by sasquatch83 on Oct 26, 2006 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some teams have players in the minors....
Take BP with numbers or colored shapes on a ball, and make them try to read the # or shape or color. Train the eye so to speak. I dont know if there is any proof this stuff works though.

by Maxima231 on Oct 26, 2006 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone on Fox TV...
the other day, maybe game 2 or 3 made some kind of reference to Ryan Howard when talking about Duncan. Did anyone else catch it? I was like, geez. I thought Buck and Macarver were kidding.

by Maxima231 on Oct 26, 2006 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Duncan/Howard
Their major league careers have been very similar.

by mateodh on Oct 30, 2006 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahem
Up to the point Duncan is at.* Their rookie seasons, at least, were comparable and at a similar age.

by mateodh on Oct 30, 2006 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Duncan
While Duncan's numbers were good this year, I don't see him keeping up at the pace that he was, and actually becoming a 35-45 HR guy.  He might hit as many as 28-30 HR in a season at best, but when looking at his minor league numbers you realize he probably isn't NEAR as good as his stats for 2006 would indicate.

by royals07 on Oct 26, 2006 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

How Do You Spell "Platoon Player"?
D-U-N-C-A-N

vs. Left  .170/.220/.319/.539  
vs. Right .318/.390/.644/1.034

There's only one real future for a player like this...

I defend the Pedro for Delino trade.

by Nolan on Oct 26, 2006 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Right
And David Eckstein is a good player too.
I defend the Pedro for Delino trade.

by Nolan on Oct 28, 2006 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

IS it a coincidence.....
that his best season ever was the same one he had his pitching coach father on the same bench with him?

Perhaps he's able to give Chris some sort of personal insight and scouting report, considering Dave Duncan probably knows the pitchers he's about to see pretty darn well.

I'm not saying it's the main reason, but it obviously hasn't hurt.

by Mudcatsfan on Nov 8, 2006 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

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