Crystal Ball: Matt Cain


As with Milledge, try to pick out transactions, trades, injuries, and All-Star seasons based solely on the statline above.
THIS IS NOT A PREDICTION. This is a possible future, nothing more.
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No All-Star Seasons
by KaoticKlown on Sep 8, 2005 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cain
by John Sickels on Sep 8, 2005 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ouch
by jrose643 on Sep 8, 2005 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really his fault
Now if you want to hate him for coming in to camp out of shape and ripping his hamstring, be my guest.
by 3Com Park on Sep 8, 2005 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2016 for the M's!
by OBF on Sep 8, 2005 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's see
Matt makes the AS team in 2013, based on his 10-3 record, 2.99 ERA, and 3.5 K/BB ratio heading into the break. Most impressive is his sub-3.00 ERA, pitching home games in "Coors East".
Matt again makes the AS team in 2015, this time with the Mariners, who signed him to a 3 year, $30 million dollar contract to be their 4th starter.(Don't discount inflation in the next 10 years) A 9-4 record, 3.12 ERA, and 3.0K/BB ratio help him make his second All-Star team. A terrible 1-5 slide is mercifully ended by a broken ankle and a slow recovery.
Matt's final AS appearance is for the Mariners in 2016, when he heads into the break at 13-2 with a 3.05 ERA, and a 3.4K/BB ratio. He finishes up 7-7, losing the last game of the season, knocking Seattle out of a tie for the WC and ending their season.
He signs with SF in 2017, a 4-year $50 million contract, locking him up for what the Giants hope is a string of World Series trips. Unfortunately, Cain's K/BB ratio drops below 2 for the rest of his career, and injuries begin to catch up with him. He is sent to the Rangers, who are still trying to find pitching.
After two and half poor years in Arlington, he signs a minor league deal with the Nats, and after pitching somewhat effectively, is moved to the Yankees who need help in their rotation. He pitches servicably enough to be asked back in 2023, but is released in July after struggling to regain his previous years form and battling injury.
by gatling on Sep 8, 2005 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cain
by taggartd on Sep 8, 2005 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Consensus?
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Sep 9, 2005 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE
- Cain signs a 2 year, 15 million dollar contract, due to the phillies taking a risk on a once top-prospect and he was the only quality pitcher to make it past december without signing.
- Cains signs a 4 year contract (worth 32 million) with the desperate for pitching mariners. He has a solid first year, but misses a month with a pulled hammy running to cover first
- Cain is traded back to the GIants for the player that was chosen in the 13th round of the 2014 draft by the Giants. He misses two weeks due to a sprained ankle
- Cain resigns to a two year extension with the Giants. LAter that year he is sent to Texas for two B- prospects. One is 23 and signed out of the DOminican Republi. the other is 22 and was chosen by the rangers in the second round of the draft three years ago, but would now be considered a disapointment him self.
- Cain signs a one-year contrat
- Cain signs a minor league contract, but makes the team after being called up the first week. He is traded to the Yankees for one of the best SS prospects in the game.
- Cain signs a two year contract with the Yankees, but in the middle of April, pulls something in his arm. After initially being put on the 15day-dl, Cain finds out he needs another Tommy John surgury, which ends his season.
- out for the year. Placed on the 60day DL again by the Yankees
- Signs with the DOdgers to a minor league contract. Cain struggles to return to form in spring, and is cut by the dodgers, ending a somewhat disapointing career.
by mrmetaa on Sep 8, 2005 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TJ surgery in early 2008
Signs with Philly before the 2013 season as a FA. Gets off to a tremendous start--makes the AS team. Falls off down the stretch, as the workload catches up to him. Perhaps continuing the struggles from the end of '13, Cain struggles to find his rythm the next year. He misses four starts with a strained oblique in July, and perhaps this helps him--he finishes strong with a nice showing in October.
Buoyed by his strong finish, he signs a three year deal with the Mariners---who are trying to get back to the postseason after years of languishing in the Angels/A's shadows. Has a pretty good year---his W/L would be much better if the M's offense had supported him more. He suffers from the worst support in the AL. In 2016, he has his career year. Helped by a stronger Mariners team that has finally put together an offense to complement its terrific Hernandez-Cain 1-2 punch, Cain is an allstar--although he is overshadowed by the other Mariner's ace. The M's make the playoffs, but lose in the first round.
Cain misses the start of '17 due to a slight oblique recurrence, but has a solid year. He heads into free agency strong, although some teams worry that about his durability coupled with his age. Fortunately, the Giants are eager to sign him--feeling like they've gotten the short end of the Cain stick.
Unfortunately for the Giants, this continues. Despite pitching pretty well when healthy, over the next year or so Cain is troubled by a variety of nagging injuries. The oblique problem, and a troublesome hamstring. The Rangers, doing anything to find pitching, trade for Cain in late June of '19 (oh my god, I'm FORTY!). He's a mixed bag for them, and they ultimately send him to the pen where he helps them down the stretch for their ultimately unsuccesful playoff drive.
by Alien on Sep 8, 2005 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Falls into Time Machine
by ssjames on Sep 8, 2005 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also Explains
by ssjames on Sep 8, 2005 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this one
That being said, I'm not really sure how one could call this a "somewhat disappointing career". It's true that this isn't every year All Star material by any stretch of the imagination, but a career 4.31 ERA over the course of nearly 20 years? I'd say that sounds like a pretty nice run to me.
by mrkupe on Sep 8, 2005 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lack of consistancy
by KaoticKlown on Sep 8, 2005 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
point
by John Sickels on Sep 8, 2005 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So let me ask you this then
by cincyinco on Sep 8, 2005 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who knows
by John Sickels on Sep 8, 2005 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
This is a mugggs game. There's nothing 'fun' about projecting an ineffective and injury prone year for career for a 20 year old kid. Is the purpose to remind us that most kids don't have long and fruitfull careers? I don't need the crystal ball to tell me that, and slamming Cain to try to make that point is seedy.
by ProspectHound on Sep 12, 2005 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Everybody Is Pedro Martinez
I'm of the opinion that all-star selections are as much about production the previous year and first-half performances as anything else. Based on that career, I'd imagine that he does end up going to at least one, perhaps two or three All-Star Games, though I wouldn't want to try to predict which years (other than that shiny 2016).
by NBarnes on Sep 8, 2005 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Out On A Limb
by NBarnes on Sep 9, 2005 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With that picture
Sorry - thought we needed a little levity.
by slickwdb on Sep 8, 2005 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cain
by murraygd13 on Sep 9, 2005 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Better than AFW?
Right now, he's relying on a somewhat deceptive motion and thus blowing very good fastballs by hitters. It's just that he's not going to be able to get away with just firing fastballs, no matter how good down the middle forever. He's got to get some other stuff going or he will end up back in the minors to work on secondary stuff.
Right now I see him as being a lot like Brett Tomko without the headcase stuff. Of course, if Tomko wasn't a headcase, he be pretty darn good.
by DrBGiantsfan on Sep 9, 2005 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why this may be disappointed as a Giants fan
In general when it comes to minor leaguers, top picks get so much pub on these type of sites that if they don't become all-stars it is seen as a disappointment. A lot of teams have so much invested in these guys that they tell fans the future of the team lays with these guys. So if a guy doesn't immeadiately become Albert Pujols or Miguel Cabrera, fans might turn on them.
Now I'm not expecting Delmon Young, Upton, and Prince Fielder to all be hall of famers, but if you read a lot of minor league sites you would be lead to believe that a 1 in 3 shot among these guys for the hall of fame is not unlikely.
by sfjg85 on Sep 9, 2005 4:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ick
2015 - a trade to the Mariners, who are looking for a stabilizing arm to tutor their young trio of pitchers. After King Felix's devastating arm injury in 2010, this team is still looking for that guy. Seattle trades Betancourt and old man Meche for Cain.
2018 - after Cain's contract expires, he returns to the Bay Area for the suprising Championship-aspiration Giants, who have a young slugger named Bonds patroling CF. Cain has lost some of that dominating velocity, but now locates his fastball and changeup much better, and numbers bear witness.
2019 - after young Bonds is caught for steroids for a 2nd time, and thus banished from the game, the suddenly hapless Giants trade Cain to the Rangers for a young SS.
Cain then toils in mediocrity for the final 3 years of his career and hangs up the spikes after an injury-plagued 2023.
by mjwelch11 on Sep 9, 2005 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
re
I'm looking forward to Delmon Young, but please, I hope you give him more than 2 allstar years and a journeyman career like you have given to Milledge and Cain.
by ScottAZ on Sep 9, 2005 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cain Projection Vs Burkett
Cain starts off slowly before being hit by an elbow ailment in 2008. The Giants try to rest and rehab him before finally in late September he has Tommy John surgery. Cain comes back from the surgery and becomes a league average pitcher.
Philadelphia signs him to a long term deal of 3 years 18 million with vested options for the 4th and 5th year based on reaching IP goals.
After 2014 Philadelphia trades him to the Mariners for two B- Level pitching prospects. Both prospects will have arm problems the next year but eventually become league average pitchers themselves. Cain pitches pretty well in his two years with the Mariners.
Cain always liked the seafood in San Francisco so he returns for a 2 year 10 million deal. The Rangers, desperate for pitching to go with their #1 offense trade underachieving outfielder Trey Griffey for him.
The Rangers re-sign him to a 2 year 9 million dollar deal to keep him there. By 2021 his fastball has lost quite a bit and he can't keep up with the steroid infused hitters (yes they still exist).
In 2022, he goes to Washington as an NRI in spring training where pitching coach Greg Maddux teaches him to throw to spots and let movement get the hitters out. The Yankees desperate to make the playoffs with their $300 million payroll trade an A ball pitcher for Cain.
Even though Cain pitched well the Yankees did not make the playoffs. The Yankees re-sign him to a 2 year 15 million deal. He has elbow issues in spring training which the Yankees pitch him through. He has surgery in May and never pitches again in the majors.
by Andy on Sep 9, 2005 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like shoulder problems to me
TJ surgery is more like changing a tire these days. Takes about a year, you are usually good as new, and don't experience the problem again. That's not what we see in Cain's "guesstimate" future
by tbwhite on Sep 9, 2005 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey John!
by DrBGiantsfan on Sep 10, 2005 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by jpahk on Sep 10, 2005 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hello,
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