Crystal Ball: Lastings Milledge
Crystal Ball: Lastings Milledge
AP (Los Angeles, January 5, 2023)
Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Lastings Milledge announced his retirement today at age 37. The two-time All-Star outfielder decided on retirement after Dodgers General Manager Matt Stairs told him that the club could not guarantee him a roster spot for 2023. "We would have been happy to have Lastings return on a non-roster basis for spring training," Stairs told USA Today, "but we couldn't guarantee that he'd make the team."
"I have no hard feelings," said Milledge, "and I understand the position of the team. But I'm too old to go scrambling for a job anymore. So I thought I'd hang it up." Milledge, who won a batting title with the Colorado Rockies in 2015, says his only regret is not having won a World Series ring. "We came close once with Detroit, but it's the main thing I wish I could have done."
Lastings Milledge
Those are fake stats, of course. I did not base this on any fancy formulas, just educated guess of what his career might look like.
Note that in the text I wrote that he made two All-Star teams and won a batting title with the Rockies. Questions for you:
Which are the two All-Star seasons?
Describe the transactions you see between the lines above.
Do you think this is a realistic projection?
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I'll say his '14 and '15 seasons for All Star.
No idea on the transactions--Mets gave up on him, FLA as a free agent, salary dump by FLA moving him to Detroit, Cubs GM Mickey Morandini makes a bad signing, and so does Staris the following season.
Seems reasonable. Can't help but think Rondell White in looking at the numbers. Seems to have a little more power and potential speed, but they are reasonable.
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I still get the feeling Milledge is a bust unless he gets a good nickname. I just can see a guy named Lastings as an all-star. It just doesn't have a good ring to it. [I feel the same way about Eddy M-E]
Objectively, I think Milledge will improve his SB success rate as he matures, as well as have better [not by a huge margin] plate discipline. IF Beltran is around as a mentor.
I also don't see him getting 124 AB's in 06, unless Cameron is out of the picture.
by irwin @ Minor League Ball on Sep 6, 2005 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
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by MarkS on Sep 6, 2005 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
Milledge
Transactions: Mets got tired of waiting; he got too expensive for the Rockies who traded him and Victor Diaz to the Marlins for Miguel Cabrera; the Marlins then traded him to the Tigers for their playoff push in 2018 who then dumped him the following year when they fell out of contention earlier than expected. The other teams just picked him up via free agency.
I think it is a very realistic projection. I don't know exactly what his power potential is, evidentally you feel his is more of a high average, high double guy. Mike Sweeney or Rondell White type. I could also see him turning into the next Gary Sheffield, with more speed mind you.
by royalslfr on Sep 6, 2005 5:54 PM EDT reply actions
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Now to answer the questions:
#1- All-star years are 2014-2015, when at age 29-30 with the Rockies he appeared to be breaking through as one of the games premier stars with his combo of a high ave, some pop and speed, and of course his Gold Glove defense (which you forgot to mention he won 6 times in his long career).
#2- His transactions line and career progression was:
Traded from the Mets to the Rockies in 2008 for hurlers Doug Jennings when the Mets needed a top flight pitcher for their pennant run. He Colorado for a lucrative free agent deal with Florida after the 2015 season. After being a relative dissapointment and playing with little fire for the lowly Marlins, the Detroit Tigers, in need of a big bat for the 2018 pennant run, traded for Milledge and his bat caught fire as he led them to the AL Central pennant. Once in the plaoffs, Milledge carried the upstart Tigers into game 7 of the ALCS before falling to the Yankees who went on the win the World Series. The following season the Tigers got off to a slow start, as did Milledge, in his final year of his lucrative contract he signed in 2015. The Dodgers traded for him at mid-season, hoping he could replicate what he did for Detroit the year before and lead them into the postseason. Ultimately, both he and the Dodgers fell short of those goals and they did not even attempt to resign him after the season was over. At age 35 he was no longer the sought after commodity as he was 5 years before on the open market, and he signed a one year deal with the Cubs hoping he could show he had gas left in the tank. he performed admirably in a platoon job, and got his two year deal back with the Dodgers for the 2021-2022 seasons in which he played semi-regurily, after which he retired.
#3- I think you sell his speed way too short as others have already mentioned. I see him reaching a high of around 40 in his prime, and averaging between 25-35 for most of his career. His averages look about right, and so does his power for the most part, but I predict he reaches a season high of over 30 rather than the 25 you give him.
Realistic? Yes.
I doubt his SB success rate will be so low, but even as is this career compares pretty solidly with that of Johnny Damon.
His All-Star seasons . . .obviously his 2015 season is one of them. 2014 would be the other, I suppose.
all star seasons
May I speculate that the other all-star season is 2017 for the Marlins as the team's required lone representative, leading the outcries for a rule change for the X-tieth year in a row. =) Do the Marlins have a new stadium by now?
Trying to figure out who the Mets got from the Rockies in the Milledge deal... 2009? Thinking Helton or maybe a Garrett Atkins as he approaches free agency...
2016 - signs as free agent with Marlins who are fortunate the Coors withdrawal didn't plague him that much, but recognize the bullet they dodged trading him to Detroit in 2018 in a pure salary dump getting a couple of grade C single-A pitchers
Pretty darn good job!
Anyhow, to break with the pack:
- all-star is 2011. In 2010, Helton still had a stellar year and was the lone rep from the Rocks, but 2011, Helton and free agent pickup Bobby Crosby sandwiched Lastings in the lineup. By 2015, Helton was gone and Lastings had a great hitting year, but weak support. Or something. 2014-2015 make more sense to me.
- In 2009, the New York Mets and Colorado Rockies swapped struggling youngers (and both former steroid users heh), with Lastings going to Colorado and Jorge Piedra going to the Mets.
In 2018, the Marlins traded Lastings to the 2-time defending World Champion Detroit Tigers (due to a recent resurgence under manager Ivan Rodriguez). The Tigers parted with their 2019 first round draft pick, as well as veteran OF Coco Crisp, SP Jeremy Halverson, and top AAA prospect, OF Nikolai Bonds. Alas, the Tigers were eliminated in a 6-game world series by the Puerto Rico Marlins.
Lastings severely sprained his bad shoulder in a spring training collision with OF Brent Clevlin and never rebounded in the 1st half of the season. Disgruntled with his playing time, Lastings requested and received a trade to the Dodgers for prospects.
Despite a free agent pickup by the Cubs in 2020, Los Angeles was where Lasting's heart was. He returned for a couple mediocre years, before being replaced on the roster by Jayson Werth, Jr.
3) Yeah, you are probably short on the SBs. I'd say if he played in Colorado he'd probably pick up his power numbers a bit too - you have him topping at 23 HRs in Colorado. I think Joe McEwing could do that. I also think you have his decline a bit off... I'd see him continue to hit, but just kind of breaking down - more like Reggie Sanders currently is. The decline you have him on looks more to me like a slugger's decline.
Lastly, was this based off my suggestion??? Can we get one for Jeff Clement?
by Rochioli on Sep 6, 2005 7:58 PM EDT reply actions
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by Rochioli on Sep 6, 2005 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
But John,
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by NBarnes on Sep 6, 2005 9:34 PM EDT reply actions
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I think he's got more speed than you advertise, but the HR numbers look good.
He sure does seem to get injured a lot - has this been a problem during his minor-league career?
by Klostrophobic on Sep 6, 2005 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
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by Goodfella on Sep 7, 2005 12:47 AM EDT reply actions
re: Milledge
Steals
Oh well. I wonder who the Mets get for him?
by erich11226 on Sep 7, 2005 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
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Describe the transactions you see between the lines above.
2009: the Mets trade the struggling outfielder for another once top prospect that is struggling also, Jeff Francis, hoping that getting away from Coors would help Francis.
2015-2016: After having a fantastic, Millege is ready for the big bucks. He is involved in a bidding war between the Cubs and the DIamondbacks (millege prefered the Cubs). The LAS VEGAS Marlins, having just lost a bidding war for Delmon YOung, make a a long-term offer that Millege can't refuse.
- Millege had some strong seasons for the Marlins. Unfortunately, the Marlins are in last place. They trade Millege to the AL Central leading Tigers for a 21year-old first baseman in AA (an A prospect), a 23 yr-old reliever in AA, and a 26 yr old middle-infielder in the majors.
- Millege disapoints, and is traded to the Dodgers for new AARP member, Julio Franco
2020-2021: MIllege makes the Dodgers in spring traing after sigining a minor league contract
Do you think this is a realistic projection?
Yes, these stats seem similar to many players out of the minors that are hyped as a "5-tool" player
Transactions
Up with NY for rookie season.
2009 - Mets to Rockies
After poor production following his breakout year, the Mets give up on Milledge and deal him to the Rockies for too little in return.
2010 - Rockies
After a nice second-half rebound in 2009, Colorado signs Milledge to a long term deal for what they beleive is a bargain, given his age and potential. Lastings and his agent are pleased to ink a lucrative contract considering he's only had 1.5 productive seasons under his belt.
2016 - Marlins
The Rockies say goodbye to Milledge after getting the best years of his career for relatively little money. Amazing restraint. Lasting's salary demands are incredible following his MVP-caliber season. The Marlins bite and ink a huge 4-year contract.
2018 - Marlins to Tigers
In the midst of a "disappointing" season (per his salary, not ability and age) the Fish trade Lastings to Detroit for a highly-regarded, toolsy CF in AA and situational lefty Adam Loewen. In return, they agree to eat half of Milledge's salary. Detroit hopes for and gets a middle-of-the-order bat to propell them to the playoffs.
2019 - Tigers to LA
The Tigers, going nowhere after their big push in '18, deal the high priced Milledge to LA to help with a postseason drive that falls short.
2020 - Cubs
One-year deal with the Cubs. Milledge hits most of the targets in the incentive laden contract.
2021 - LA
The Dodgers sign Milledge to an overly generous, "remember the good days" contract. He's no longer starting lineup material and, before long, it shows.
All-Star appearances in 2011 and 2015.

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