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Philadelphia Phillies Top 20 Prospects


The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think, oh by the way, which one's Pink?

  1. Gavin Floyd, RHP, A-              
  2. Ryan Howard, 1B, B+              
  3. Cole Hamels, LHP, B              
  4. Michael Bourn, OF, B            
  5. Greg Golson, OF, B              
  6. Jake Blalock, OF, B-            
  7. Scott Mitchinson, RHP, C+        
  8. J.A. Happ, LHP, C+                
  9. Nate Cabrera, RHP, C+            
  10. Scott Mathieson, RHP, C          
  11. Carlos Carrasco, RHP, C          
  12. Jason Jaramillo, C, C          
  13. Eude Brito, LHP, C              
  14. Francisco Butto, RHP, C          
  15. Pedro Liriano, RHP, C            
  16. Carlos Ruiz, C, C                        
  17. Zach Segovia, RHP, C            
  18. Robinson Tejeda, RHP, C
  19. Sean Gamble, OF, C              
  20. Chris Roberson, OF, C          
This system was thinned out last summer due to trades, and I think it is in better condition for the future than the grades above may indicate.

I have Gavin Floyd at A-, and I like his medium and long-term prognosis, but I'm not sure he's ready to do well out the gate in the Show in '05. His K/BB and K/IP rates are not as good as you'd expect given his stuff, and I think he needs to make a few more adjustments.

Ryan Howard is blocked, of course. I think his power is real, but his batting average and OBP have a wide range of possible variation.

Yes, Phillies fans, I am aware that Cole Hamels has the most raw talent of anyone on this list. I have him at Grade B right now because of last year's elbow problems (which I find very worrisome), as well as the stupidity of the bar fight. If he is healthy and has his head screwed on straight this year, he'll move back up quickly. Remember that Grade B is not an insult in my system, but it does reflect the uncertainties in his profile.

I like Bourn a lot as a future leadoff guy. '04 draft pick Golson looks good early, although plate discipline will be an issue. Many of the Grade C pitchers (Brito and Butto in particular) have live arms but sketchy and inconsistent track records. I like Segovia a lot, but have him at Grade C now until we see how well he recovers from Tommy John surgery. Robinson Tejeda posted a decent ratio set in Double-A, but an 8-14 record and an ERA in excess of 5.00. He has some potential as a sleeper, in the sense that he underperformed his ratios last year. Either his ratios will get worse or his ERA will get better.

Keith Bucktrot and Kiel Fisher could be on the list as well depending on what you want to emphasize. Bucktrot has a great arm but horrible statistics. Fisher is a talented batsman who missed all of 2004 due to injury. He can hit but his defense needs a lot of work. If healthy he could move up quickly this year. Due to these uncertainties, both Bucktrot and Fisher are Grade C guys at this point.

Carlos Carrasco could be underrated at Grade C, and there is a chance he could emerge as a Grade B (or maybe even higher) this year. Keep an eye on him.

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Floyd
Does Gavin call the name of his game riding the gravy train?
Sickels, this site rules!!!

by count sutton on Mar 4, 2005 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

My 2 cents
Really like Bourne, moreso than Golson who's really just tools at this point.  Especially like the fact than Bourne hit the ball in the gaps for the first time in his career.

Lakewood is a really, really lousy place to hit.  Bourne, Blalock, Hansen, and the immortal Chico Cortez all hit way better on the road.  Team as a whole hit 30 points higher and twice as many HRs on the road than at home.  It's like that every year.

Carlos Ruiz is pretty interesting.  Very little baseball experience for a 25/26 yr old and he's spent most of that time learning to catch (and pretty well by all accounts) and he took a big step forward with the bat in AA (and even the AFL) last season.

The GCL team had alot of very young very interesting arms, not just Carrasco.

Still have hope for Fisher despite missing the entire year, Heck, I still have hope for the continually injured Terry Jones.

If Hamels head and arm are attached he's an A, but it's understandable to be suspicious about both.

by StPhilly on Mar 4, 2005 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

More Bourne Love
Really like Bourne also.  I think he could turn out to be a very good player.
Please let us see what a healthy Cole Hamels can do this year.   If he gets his head screwed on right he can be awesome.

by eastin on Mar 4, 2005 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice Ratings
I love Bourn's potential.  I'd like to see him play to see what is the cause of his K's.

To me, Gavin Floyd = Brett Myers, both from a analysis standpoint and stuff perspective.  Coming through the minors, it appears that Myers had better control while Floyd was a little bit tougher to hit.  Any reason this is a faulty comparison?

by KCH on Mar 4, 2005 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

myers/floyd
I can see some similarities although I think Floyd has a better curveball.

by John Sickels on Mar 4, 2005 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

re: myers/floyd
Thanks.  I only saw two of Floyd's starts in September.

Can you comment on the cause of Bourn's K's?  Is the ball getting blown by him up?  Can he not lay off breaking stuff in the dirt?  Does he struggle to recognize the change?  

by KCH on Mar 4, 2005 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Bourn's Ks
I've never seen Bourn play personally, but his high walk total strongly suggests that he's coming by his strikouts the "right" way, through good plate discipline, much like Bobby Abreu. Which suits me just fine.

by phatj on Mar 4, 2005 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem with this assertion
"his high walk total strongly suggests that he's coming by his strikouts the "right" way, through good plate discipline, much like Bobby Abreu."

is that until last year he never showed the power pereferials to make me believe that he doesn't struggle with some sort of pitch.  Obviously he's going deep in counts as evidenced by his walk rate, but is he going deep in counts because he can't catch up to good stuff and tries to waits wild minor league pitcher's out, or because he's looking for his pitch to drive or hit?  There's a big difference.

His K rates in college lead me to believe that he needs to get stronger to prevent the bat from getting nocked out of his hand, which is why the bump in power last year was a good sign.  I also read in BA that the Phils believe he is strong enough to be more of a line drive hitter than a slappy.

by KCH on Mar 4, 2005 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

jaramillo
shine on you crazy diamond, john, and while you're at it have a cigar... sorry, I love that album.  More on topic...for an Ok Stater can someone break down Jaramillo v. Ruiz?  I'm just curious if old Jason will make it. TIA.

by erudite @ Minor League Ball on Mar 4, 2005 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

Mitchinson
John how fast do you think the Phillies will move Mitchinson through the system? Where will he start 2005? Thanks.

by tupelodylan on Mar 4, 2005 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

mitchinson
Dunno. I will try to find out.

by John Sickels on Mar 4, 2005 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Shaw & Marson
John,
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Buck Shaw and Louis Marson.  Both are 04 draftees, I'm liking what I've seen from both thus far.  Shaw seems to have some nice power potential and I think Marson might be the long term solution at catcher.  Your thoughts?
Jeremiah 29:11

by BowmanChromeAddict on Mar 6, 2005 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

and I'd still love to know
what your thoughts are on Shaw & Marson.  There has been so much positive dialog on every other team, and there was no significant discussion on this thread...all because of a little pink floyd reference, no matter how genius it may have been.
Jeremiah 29:11

by BowmanChromeAddict on Mar 7, 2005 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

shaw and marson
Shaw showed impressive power in rookie ball...8 homers, .472 SLG< that's pretty good for the Gulf Coast League, granted he's coming out of a junior college. Marson's bat is less impressive...sub .400 slugging, mediocre on-base skills. But he's only 18 and has lots of time to get better. Don't know much about his defense. Both look like Grade C at this point, we need to see them against better competition and see if they show skill growth.

by John Sickels on Mar 7, 2005 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
We all knew Sickels was a genius, but after he breaks out the Pink Floyd reference under the photo caption in this column, well...I'd say he's just reached deity status with me. Shine on you crazy diamond!
"Earl, if you ever see Shooty Babbitt playing second base for me again, I want you to Shooty me." -Billy Martin

by pmoney on Mar 7, 2005 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

marson's glove
OK, a bit of research reveals that Marson is an inexperienced catcher but has the tools for the position...good strength and athleticism. Needs experience though.

by John Sickels on Mar 7, 2005 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

Marson & Shaw
Thanks for coming back to this thread John, I was afraid I was gonna have to ask the question again on the AQA thread on wednesday.  I'm hopeful that both players can develop into something worthwhile, this minor league organization needs it after the decimation it took thru the Wagner & Lidle trades.
Jeremiah 29:11

by BowmanChromeAddict on Mar 8, 2005 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

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