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Jeremy Hermida in the Arizona Fall League (MLB photo)

The last system report. We will summarize the data tomorrow. Anyone willing to figure up the GPAs, please do so and post in the comments. I'll then take that and make some adjustments and come up with some final farm system rankings.

  1. Jeremy Hermida, OF, B+          
  2. Scott Olsen, LHP, B+              
  3. Taylor Tankersley, LHP, B        
  4. Jason Vargas, LHP, B            
  5. Chris Resop, RHP, B              
  6. Logan Kensing, RHP, B-            
  7. Josh Willingham, C-1B, C+          
  8. Jason Stokes, 1B, C+            
  9. Yorman Bazardo, RHP, C+          
  10. Eric Reed, OF, C+                
  11. Josh Johnson, RHP, C+            
  12. Brad Davis, C, C+              
  13. Adam Bostick, LHP, C+            
  14. Randy Messinger, RHP, C          
  15. Trevor Hutchinson, RHP, C        
  16. Chris Aguila, OF, C            
  17. Ron Belisario, RHP, C            
  18. Luke Hagerty, LHP, C
  19. Robert Andino, SS, C            
  20. Josh Wilson, SS, C              
An average system overall at this point. Hermida took a major step forward last year, and further advancement would make him a Grade A- type guy. He has both tools and skills. The question will be how much his power develops, and a lot of scouts are very optimistic on that count. Scott Olsen doesn't get a lot of attention, but is one of the best LHP prospects around. He's always had good command, and as his velocity has picked up into the 90-95 range, his K/IP continues to rise without deterioration in his other ratios. Tankersley and Vargas, 2004 draftees, are both polished college pitchers who can advance quickly, giving the Marlins three impressive southpaws at the top of the system. Grade B ratings for Tank and Vargas are conservative.

Chris Resop is a converted outfielder who owns a mid-90s fastball and a 68/7 K/BB in 42 relief innings last year. He needs more experience, but continued pitching like that would raise his grade. Fellow RHP Kensing was badly rushed last year, jumping from Class A to the Show, where he had no business. He has a good arm but is raw, and pushing him into the Majors so quickly was a big backfire risk.

Josh Willingham is a favorite of statheads due to his power and excellent walk rate. Tradionalists are less sold on him due to defensive questions. I like his bat, but at age 26 and with no track record above Double-A, I gave him a conservative Grade C+.

Jason Stokes continues to impress people with his power, but he hasn't learned the strike zone and is not a refined hitter. I personally believe that he has a good chance of stalling out as a Triple-A slugger, although he's still young enough to prove that wrong.

Bazardo is another live-arm guy, who will move up to Double-A this year. His A-ball record is pretty solid, although his K/IP ratio is consistently below average, despite the fact that he can hit 95 MPH. Because of that I have some concerns about how he will hold up against better competition. Eric Reed has a career .306 average and is a major stolen base threat, but he lacks power and his plate discipline is inconsistent.

Josh Johnson suffers from the fact that his name is "Josh Johnson." If he had a more eye-catching name (Lance Powers, or Noble Valentine, or anything more interesting than "Josh Johnson") he'd get more attention. As it is, he's a 6-7 21-year-old righthander with decent command, a good sinker, and an adequate Class A track record.

Brad Davis is a Long Beach State product drafted last June. He has a good glove and made progress with the stick last year, but there's still some doubt about his bat at higher levels. Adam Bostick is a lefty with a consistently excellent K/IP ratio at the Class A level (163 K in 114 IP last year). He's got a great curveball, but his fastball is erratic (ranging from 86 to 93) and his command waivers.

Trevor Hutchinson and Randy Messenger were in Double-A last year and are looking for jobs. Messenger is more overpowering but is confined to a relief role. Hutchinson throws strikes but his stuff is marginal. Both look like "role pitchers" to me. You can make a case to put them higher on the list, above Bostick at least, depending on how you want to weight their better chance to help compared to the risky upside evident in Bostick's K/IP and youth.

Chris Aguila can hit .250-.270 with moderate power at the Major League level, adequate for a reserve job. Belisario is another guy with a good arm (90-95 MPH) but an erratic track record and weak K/IP marks given his velocity. Rule 5 guy Hagerty (from the Cubs system via trade with the Orioles) is a good bet to stick on the roster for rehab purposes. I liked him a lot before Tommy John; we just need to see how he recovers.
Shortstops Andino and Wilson can handle their positions but have questionable bats. Andino is younger and has better upside to improve. Wilson made some progress last year, but there is still skepticism about his long-term offensive potential, and he projects best as a bench guy.

UPDATE: I answered a few questions at MarlinBaseball.com about the Florida system.

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Kensing
How did Logan Kensing's hurricane season call-up affect his rating?

by rferry on Mar 15, 2005 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

kensing
Well, his rating would probably have been higher if he'd pitched well in the majors. But even in Class A his ratio set was a mixed bag. His K/IP was only league average in the Florida State League, and that was a big warning sign that he would struggle if promoted too quickly.

by John Sickels on Mar 15, 2005 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

Wow!
Trades ravished this system...

They traded away:

Adrian Gonzales
Travis Chick
Abraham Nunez
Bill Murphy
Denny Bautista

-peter http://padresrundown.blogspot.com

by PeterF on Mar 15, 2005 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

Nunez
Hilarious to see his name among those other 4.  Most Marlin fans breathed a sigh of relief when he was traded.

by AR44 on Mar 15, 2005 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

olsen
John, how would you rank Olsen compared to these lefties:
Mike Hinckley, Zach Duke, Dan Meyer, Cole Hamels??
"A hot dog at the ball park is better than steak at the Ritz." ~Humphrey Bogart

by mrmetaa on Mar 15, 2005 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

Derek Wathan
What do you think he can contribute at the major league level? He's been compared to Mike Mordecai.

(Scraping the bottom of the barrel for some hope here)

by rferry on Mar 15, 2005 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

John:
What order do you think the various teams in NL East stack up against each other in terms of prospect quality? And potential for improvement?

by smt on Mar 15, 2005 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

C+ Grades
Now that all the lists are complete could you please include in your wrap up the C+ players that are below the 20th spot on the Dodgers, Angels, Mariners, Indians, Twins, Red Sox, Rockies, and Blue Jays. You mentioned in the all questions answered thread it wouldn't be too large of a list, so I hope you can have it included in tomorrow's wrap up.  Thank you for your time in making these lists.

by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Mar 15, 2005 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

Why
WHy just those teams? DId i miss something?

by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Mar 15, 2005 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Because
Those are the only teams which had more than 20 prospects above the average C level.  We are missing C+ players for those teams because the players are rated by John below the team's top 20.  These teams have deep farm systems.

by LizardKing51 @ Minor League Ball on Mar 15, 2005 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

wrap up
Yeah, tomorrow's wrap up should include that. If it doesn't, keep nagging me until I do it.

by John Sickels on Mar 15, 2005 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Question for John
This isn't the A's top twenty prospects list, but it is one so i have a question about a prospect that doesnt need a diary.

Who is A's prospect Alexi Ogando, and why have i only seen him on BA lists? They said he could be like Vladimir Guerrero.

by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Mar 15, 2005 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

oh boy
Once again comparing A's minor leaguers to MLB superstars who have hit .340+ with power continues. They grow on trees.

by TINSTAAPP on Mar 15, 2005 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say it
BA did.

by ohad @ Minor League Ball on Mar 15, 2005 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a guess
Maybe that means he also makes contact with pitches two feet outside the strike zone.

Think the Pirates were hoping the same thing with Randal Simon last year.

"They have to be excited right now, they're ACTUALLY beating the Yankees!" - Al Trautwig, YES Network

by chunkylover22 on Mar 15, 2005 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

ogando
full credit to Mr. Sickels for marking him a big sleeper in his 04 prospect book. he might have some more in his office for sale :)
ok! ok! Blue Jays! Blue Jays! Lets! Play! Ball!

by BJ Birdie on Mar 17, 2005 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Hagerty
Hagerty had big problems in his comeback in the northwest league last year.  That's why the cubs did not protect him.

I wish him the best but I wouldn't expect any results from him any time soon.  

by waders on Mar 15, 2005 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Grade point totals
Total grade points for top 20 per team, (C = 2, up by thirds to A = 4), though Sizemore isn't rookie elgible and Hagerty is in both Baltimore's and Florida's top 20.

LA    58.67
Oak    58.33
Min    58.33
Ana    57.00
Col    56.33
Cle    56.00
Mil    55.00
Bos    54.00
Tor    53.33
KC    53.00
Atl    52.67
TB    52.67
Sea    52.33
SF    51.33
ChW    51.33
Tex    51.33
Pit    51.00
Hou    50.33
Ari    50.33
ChC    50.33
StL    49.33
NYY    49.00
Fla    48.67
NYM    48.00
Cin    47.67
Bal    47.67
Phi    47.67
SD    47.67
Det    47.00
Was    45.33

by Don2 on Mar 15, 2005 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

hagerty
I fixed the Hagerty listing in Baltimore.

by John Sickels on Mar 15, 2005 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

Top of the class
Another way of looking at it...Here is the number of prospects, grade B or higher:

12    LA
12    Oak
11    Min
9    Ana
8    Cle
8    Mil
7    Col
7    Tor
7    TB
7    Hou
6    Bos
6    KC
6    SF
6    ChW
5    Atl
5    Tex
5    Fla
5    Bal
5    Phi
4    Sea
4    Pit
4    Ari
4    NYM
4    Cin
4    Was
3    ChC
3    StL
3    NYY
3    SD
3    Det

by Don2 on Mar 15, 2005 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

AA prospects
My area of (semi-)knowledge, being a Mudcats' partial season ticket holder:

I don't think a C+ for Willingham is conservative at all. He doesn't really have a position - he's not ever going to be a good defensive catcher, and he's not quite good enough with the bat for an infield or outfield corner. I also think he's too conservative at the plate, passing up pitches that he should be able to drive in search of the perfect pitch. He was the only decent hitter in Carolina's lineup for a large part of the season, with Stokes and Reed both hurt and Joe Dillon leaving for AAA after a month, and he did get pitched around a lot late in the season.

Reed got hurt in early June and missed the rest of the season. During the couple of months that he was healthy, he did demonstrate the ability to sting the ball and to cover ground in CF. He reminds me a little of Juan Pierre, although he swings and misses much more often than Pierre did.

I love to watch Josh Wilson, who works about as hard as anyone I've seen, but John's evaluation is pretty much spot-on.

Hutchinson was hurt last year, too, but even when he was healthy he was inconsistent. It didn't help that he was being managed by a guy (Ron Hassey) who appeared to be clueless when it came to managing a minor league pitching staff. I understand that sometimes you have to leave a guy out there in the minors to get work even when he is being torched, but Hassey always seemed to leave guys in about an inning beyond the point where there were getting benefit from being out there.

Messenger has a chance to be a quality reliever in the majors; he does have good stuff and when he's on good command of it. He is a bit of a head case, though - the Marlins suspended him late in 2003 for "personal reasons", and only reinstated him for the postseason due to injuries (which also forced them to call up a short-season A-ball pitcher named David Marchbanks, who almost had to start the deciding postseason game).

Jason Stokes = Dave Kingman. Seriously.

Mike Emeigh http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org

by MikeE on Mar 15, 2005 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

That should be...
getting ANY benefit from being out there.
Mike Emeigh http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org

by MikeE on Mar 15, 2005 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey John
At least you could have MENTIONED Rex "son of Todd" Rundgren!

(Yes, I know he's not a prospect, but he did spend time with Liv Tyler while he was growing up...)

Mike Emeigh http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org

by MikeE on Mar 15, 2005 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

Joe Dillon
Just read about him at BP (un-retired at 29 after back surgery)--what do you make of him? Was he ever a well-rated prospect?

Just getting over a couple of back surgeries myself, so of couse I'm rooting for him. I'd also be interested to hear a scout's perspective on an injury history like his.

"They have to be excited right now, they're ACTUALLY beating the Yankees!" - Al Trautwig, YES Network

by chunkylover22 on Mar 15, 2005 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

Please Repost the A's
I know for a fact I'm not the only one who missed it, and a paragraph going through the grades would be super cool.

In general though, thanks for the writeups.  This was one cool project.

by bootsy on Mar 15, 2005 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

RE: A's
There is a search function on the blog menu. I found the A's writeup in 5 seconds. Typed Swisher, selected news, hit 'Search' and voila...

All it takes is a little smarts plus initiative. A Giants fan would have found their writeup and not made special requests to make accomodations for just their team.

by TINSTAAPP on Mar 15, 2005 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

re
For the record, I did find the A's in the back pages, but I know some don't even realize.  Though, I guess they will if they read this report.

by bootsy on Mar 15, 2005 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

A's
Actually I will be having an A's report at one of my fellow Sportsblogs tomorrow, plus a chatroom. Will notify at the appropriate time.

by John Sickels on Mar 15, 2005 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

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