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Twins Pre-Season Top 20 Final Review

Minnesota Twins Pre-Season Top 20 Review

With the season well past us, it is time to review the pre-season top 20 lists and see how these guys turned out.

Remember, this was the PRE-SEASON LIST!!!! generated nine months ago.
1) Jesse Crain, RHP
    Successful year in middle relief, going 12-5, 2.71 in 80 innings. However, I am very concerned about his poor 25/29 K/BB ratio. The walk rate is reasonable, but where are the strikeouts? I have doubts about his future unless that improves.                  
2) Jason Kubel, OF
   Rehab from horrible knee injury reportedly is going well. Should return in '06.            
3) J.D. Durbin, RHP
    Went 5-5, 4.33 in 19 starts for Triple-A Rochester, 90/51 K/BB in 104 innings. Had some problems with his control, and was bothered by shoulder soreness. Status has slipped in prospect-rich system.
4) Scott Baker, RHP
    5-8, 3.01 in 22 starts at Rochester, then 3-3, 3.35 in nine starts for the Twins. A solid pitcher who is ready for the rotation in 2006, he has excellent command of slightly better-than-average stuff, and has nothing left to prove in the minor leagues. About as safe an investment as you can make in a young pitcher.
5) Glen Perkins, LHP
    Pitched well in the first half in A-ball, but slipped after moving up to Double-A, going 4-4, 4.90 in 14 starts with a 67/35 K/BB in 79 innings. It wasn't as easy to fool Double-A hitters with his combination of breaking pitches, changeups, and sinking fastballs. I think he has a good chance to adjust, but his status has slipped a bit.
6) Jason Bartlett, SS
    Hit .332 in Triple-A, but just .241/.316/.335 in 74 games in the majors. Don't think they were patient enough with him, but he has nothing left to prove in the minors, and deserves a full shot in '06.
7) Adam Harben, RHP
    Went 10-5, 2.66 in 25 starts for Class A Fort Myers, 119/62 K/BB in 135 innings. Harben has plus stuff and is gradually improving his command. He will move to Double-A in 2006, and if his command holds up he could see major league action in the second half.
8) Francisco Liriano, LHP
    Began the season as a decent prospect with good upside, ended it as the best LHP prospect in the game. Has always had a live arm, but he improved his command this year, and looks very much like Johan Santana during his breakthrough. Which doesn't mean Liriano will be another Santana, but that is the kind of ceiling Liriano has.
9) Alex Romero, OF
    Hit .301/.354/.458 with 15 homers at Double-A New Britain. His power is developing, but it needs to improve further if Romero wants to avoid being a "tweener." At age 21, he has lots of time left on the prospect clock.
10) Trevor Plouffe, SS
    Hit just .223 at Class A Beloit, although he hit 13 homers and posted a decent 50/78 BB/K ratio in 466 at-bats. Plouffe needs to make some adjustments, but scouts are still favorably disposed to him. Sabermetrically, the only thing really wrong was his batting average, which can have a lot to do with luck and context.
11) Kyle Waldrop, RHP
    Posted a nice 108/23 K/BB ratio, but his other numbers for Beloit weren't good: 6-11, 4.98 ERA in 27 starts, allowed 182 hits in 152 innings. His stuff is better than the H/IP implies, but he needs to do a better job throwing quality strikes. Waldrop is very projectable and impressive to watch in person, but he needs to be handled carefully.
12) Matt Moses, 3B
     Overcame back problems that hampered him in 2004. Hit .306/.376/.453 at Class A Fort Myers, but just .210/.275/.366 after moving up to Double-A, a promotion too far. Moses will need another year at least before being ready for the majors, and a consolidation season in Double-A would help.
13) Jay Rainville, RHP
     Combined for 12-5 mark with 3.35 ERA, 112/33 K/BB ratio between Beloit and Fort Myers. Showed an excellent curveball. His fastball was actually less impressive this year than it was in high school, down around 88-89 rather than 90-94, but it didn't inhibit his pitching due to his sharp command. Main red flag is high home run rate.
14) Matt Fox, RHP
     Injured all year. Status unclear at this time.
15) Anthony Swarzak, RHP
     Combined for 12-9, 3.90 ERA, 166/43 K/BB for Beloit and Fort Myers. Swarzak (like Scott Baker above) has good command of stuff that is a bit better than average, and in Swarzak's case he is young enough at age 19 to have considerable projection left. Will rise up the prospect charts quickly as long as he remains healthy.
16) Boof Bonser, RHP
      Went 11-9, 3.99 in 28 starts for Rochester, with 168/57 K/BB in 160 innings. Adjusted well to Triple-A. Doesn't throw as hard as he used to, now projecting as more of a number four or five starter, but still has a reasonable chance to have a good career.
17) Travis Bowyer, RHP
      Relief sleeper, saved 23 with 2.78 ERA and 96/40 K/BB in 74 innings at Rochester. Very strong K/IP reflects plus stuff. Still needs to refine his control a bit, but another good option as a middle reliever and possible future closer.
18) Scott Tyler, RHP
      Another live arm, would be considered a top prospect in some systems. 3.95 ERA with 109/48 K/BB in 118 innings for Fort Myers. Needs to improve the consistency of his breaking ball, and may be better-suited for relief down the road.
19) Terry Tiffee, 3B
     Hit .266/.313/.454 in 58 games at Rochester, with 10 homers, then .207/.245/.293 in 54 games for the Twins. Overmatched in major league action, and probably a "tweener" in the long run as a corner player with only marginal power.
20) Ryan Rowland-Smith, LHP
      Returned to Seattle under Rule 5.Went 6-7, 4.35 in 33 games, 17 starts for Double-A San Antonio with 102/51 K/BB in 122 innings. OK prospect, not spectacular.

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Damn...
the Twins have some good pitching prospects.

by cronie on Nov 2, 2005 3:46 PM EST   0 recs

As Spinal Tap would say
Too much, too much f'ing pitching prospects.  I added to the list that was posted last week.  It's incredible.  Somewhere (BA?) I read that "a Midwest League team is lucky to have five players who can be considered legitimate prospects...Beloit had nine starting pitchers."

by tmelander on Nov 2, 2005 5:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Perkins
Would you say that Perkins AFL performance is signs of adjusting or too small a sample size?  I don't follow this stuff as closely as most here but the AFL seems to be closest in level to AA among the hitting prospects.  Would you agree?

Perkins AFL stats
W L ERA  G GS CG SHO SV IP H  R ER HR BB SO
0 0 2.45 5 5   0  0   0 22 19 7  6  1 5  26

by joerote on Nov 2, 2005 3:52 PM EST   0 recs

AFL
Well, it's certainly a good sign. But five starts, 22 innings is a small sample.

by John Sickels on Nov 2, 2005 3:52 PM EST   0 recs

is david winfree a good prospect in your opinion?
I know he's not on the list, as it was preseason.  But he drove in 100 rbi's + in 135 games.  His D needs a lot of work, but he could be a bat the twins could use.

Also, I gotta image Juan Portes will start to make these twins prospect lists soon as well.

by hotshotschamp on Nov 2, 2005 3:59 PM EST   0 recs

Winfree will be there
As will Portes.  I was very surprised to see Alex Romero rated #9.  I thought very highly of him, having seen him in A ball and watched him do well (like Kubel) in A+.

At Quad Cities he was a man among boys, and I seriously doubted he was 19 yrs old.

Besides those three and Plouffe, will John's next list consist of 16 pitchers?

by tmelander on Nov 2, 2005 5:17 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Those 100 RBI...
look like an anomaly. They're not really commensurate with his power numbers.

by Sulla on Nov 2, 2005 5:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

1 Trick Pony
As someone who bleeds Twins it strikes me as odd that they are able to produce one kind of prospect at a time.  Now there are teams that produce prospects at certain postions quite well (Sanfran=SP).  But it baffles me.  5 years ago the Twins had about 5,000 OF prospects.  2 years ago they had about the same number of power RP prospects.  After the last couple drafts it looks as if the twins will have 198 3rd-5th SP (With the possible exception of Liriano).  Are there any other historical examples of teams that develop certain types of players well for a strech and then develop a different sort of player for a strech.  (and btw all under the same front office staff)

by Terry Ryan Jr on Nov 2, 2005 3:59 PM EST   0 recs

Drafting Style
It seems to me the Twins overreact when drafting to cure organizational needs.  This year and last they felt the organization was weak with MI prospects so they drafted Tolleson, Plouffe, Thompson, Portes (prolly OF), Paul Kelly and quite a few others with early picks.  I'd guess this year they see that they had a problem with offense so they will draft alot of 1B/3B/DH type players.  Just my guess on why you see the grouping of prospects.  I'm hoping they grab a college OF that could play LF or CF for Torii or Shannon by mid season 2007 or start of 2008.

by murraygd13 on Nov 5, 2005 10:20 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

i disagree
afterall they took garza round 1....a pitcher...when they are loaded with pitching and they took slowey and duensing early rounds...more pitchers.

Paul Kelly and Andrew Thompson were just good value picks, not a surprise they took them.  They weren't reaches at all.  

by hotshotschamp on Nov 6, 2005 3:25 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Portes
was drafted in round 15.

by Sulla on Nov 7, 2005 12:05 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Bartlett
is going to be a fine player, Khalil Greene with better plate discipline and better defense.

by UncleMiltie on Nov 2, 2005 4:07 PM EST   0 recs

Agree on Bartlett
At least the first part.  Greene may be better, we'll see how it plays out.  Greene's park hurts him.

by tmelander on Nov 2, 2005 5:18 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Kyle Waldrop
I wasn't impressed with Kyle at all. IMO he feasted on the scurbs of A ball, and was hit hard by those that could hit even an average fastball.

If he is going to improve he needs a better out pitch. He tried to often to just blow a fastball by the hitters when he had 2 strikes on him. I'm not sure if he was only allowed so many breaking balls a game, or what, but it sure looked like he just wanted to chuck fastball after fastball.

by Josh on Nov 2, 2005 4:44 PM EST   0 recs

<sigh>
that is all...

by kenshin1 on Nov 2, 2005 4:53 PM EST   0 recs

Crain's strikeouts
I'm not as concerned about Crain's strikeouts, or lack thereof. He got a lot of pop-ups on the first or second strike. I'd rather have those outs than strikeouts.
cmathewson

by cmathewson on Nov 2, 2005 7:05 PM EST   0 recs

Denard Span
Where was this guy when the season began, and where is he now?  Is he a top20 guy now?  I don't know him that well, just what I've read in the paper, and it sounds like he might be good.

by dbimberg on Nov 2, 2005 11:18 PM EST   0 recs

span
span is a top 10 player in their system...

He did very well in fort myers and did well in AA new britain.

He also is hitting well in AFL.  He can be your prototypical lead off hitter, with good speed, not much power, but could hit for average, he's learning the game.

His defense is good, not the best arm however.

He's definitley top 20 this year...probably top 5-10

by hotshotschamp on Nov 3, 2005 1:40 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

range
Span can cover the outfield in yellowstone! I was very impressed with his range.

by Josh on Nov 3, 2005 2:30 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Forgot about Span
I was thinking the Twins might have 16 pitchers in John's next top 20, but I obviously forgot Span.  Romero, Moses, Winfree, and Plouffe I would think are position-player locks.  Others to consider:

Garret Jones
Jeremy Pickrel
Juan Portes
Drew Thompson
Paul Kelly
Steve Tolleson
and of course Kubel (a lock if he qualifies)

I think really only Portes should crack the top twenty, but Jones is close to the majors, so maybe John will weight that somewhat heavily.

I'd hate to narrow the Twins top 20 to only 13 pitchers...wow.  The more I review, the more incredulous I am at how deep the system is.  I suppose that is because I really don't know the prospects to the same extent in other systems.  Have we even mentioned Justin Jones in any thread?

by tmelander on Nov 3, 2005 1:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

span
Span is a solid prospect. He would definitely be in Top 20 and probably in top 10.

by John Sickels on Nov 3, 2005 1:43 AM EST   0 recs

Span = Tyner
Why do you think Span is a solid prospect?

With reports of A.Romero's new-found coachability, shouldn't the Twins start Romero in CF in Rochester and have Span consolidate things in New Britain?

by lonestar on Nov 3, 2005 9:33 AM EST   0 recs

Romero
Romero's not exactly the fleetest of foot, from what I hear.

by Sulla on Nov 3, 2005 11:14 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Alex Romero
Romero was left off the 40 man last year.  It astounded me that no team was willing to pick him in the Rule 5 and use him as a 5th outfielder/pinch runner for a season a la George Bell, but I suppose that is the product of the strange modern fashion for 7 man relief staffs.  In the 60s, we had go-go boots and leadoff men who couldn't get on base, now it's buzzcuts and underused relievers.

Anyways, he's a fine, fine prospect, and if he no longer is top 10 in Minnesota's group, that would mean that this might be the best system in the majors.  

by Mike Green on Nov 3, 2005 10:28 AM EST   0 recs

This makes me almost physically ill
The trade of Nathan, Liriano and Boof for one year of AJ Pierzynski has to go down as one of the worst trades since Iran Contra.

by 3Com Park on Nov 3, 2005 12:18 PM EST   0 recs

AJ trade
In retrospect I really think the worst part of the trade idea for the Giants was bringing a personality like AJ's into a locker room with Bonds.  AJ is so extreme (loud, obnoxious) and so different from Bonds (as opposed to complementary) that to try to take on his familiar (Twins) role on a team with an acknowledged top five of all-time probably seemed ludicrous to the rest of the team.  Just my opinion.

Thank you for Nathan and Liriano and (hopefully) Boof.

by tmelander on Nov 3, 2005 1:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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