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Thoughts on Jeremy Reed

Thoughts on Jeremy Reed

One of the more disappointing rookies this season was Mariners outfielder Jeremy Reed.
First, a review of the projections:

Baseball Forecaster:      .259/.333/.385
John Sickels JSPS-2:     .287/.351/.413
Baseball Prospectus:     .286/.353/.423
Bill James Handbook:   .307/.378/.446
Actual Performance:     .254/.322/.352

As you can see, only Ron Shandler's Baseball Forecaster came close to predicting what Reed would do, and even Shandler was a bit too optimistic.

So, where does Reed go from here? Looking into his splits, we find that he had a LOT of problems against lefthanded pitchers, hitting just .200/.276/.267 against them, vs. .269/.335/.376 against righties. Improving against southpaws is obviously a necessity. His month-by-month splits are unremarkable. His home/road splits are close, although he showed a bit more pop on the road, not unusual considering the nature of Safeco. Reed was, essentially, consistently mediocre throughout the season. His only really good month was May, when he hit .312/.373/.473.

His hitting charts don't show much. . .he sprayed hits to all fields. All three of his home runs were pulled, but otherwise his extra-base hits are all over the place, some to the opposite field gap, some down either line, some pulled to the gap in right, etc. Nothing remarkable there.

Other than the problems against lefties, the numbers don't tell us much about why he struggled. Scouting-wise, he didn't seem to have too many problems controlling the strike zone. He just didn't hit with the authority expected. He did look tentative at times in games I saw, a bit unsure of himself, but that's hard to quantify. I'm not privy to any particular information about any problems with his swing or approach, and the Mariners were certainly patient with him.

One factor to consider is injury. Although Reed got into 141 games, he was bothered by injuries through most of the season, including a sore foot, a concussion, and chronic pain in his left wrist. The wrist apparently bothered him all season, and was eventually diagnosed with a torn ligament, ending his season early. Wrist problems can be a serious handicap for a hitter. Many hitters who try to play through wrist injuries end up making the problem worse, and obviously it can have a detrimental impact on performance. It's impossible to know how much the wrist was responsible for Reed's numbers this year, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a major factor.

The year wasn't all negative. Reed turned out to be an excellent defensive center fielder (word of mouth, more below), which helped him keep his job even when he wasn't hitting well. This is important because defense was a question for him entering the season. Some scouts didn't think his range was good enough for center field, at least not in Safeco. NOTE: I've spent the last half hour trying to quantify Reed's defensive statistics to see if the "excellent" word-of-mouth rating is backed up by the numbers, but I'm having internet problems today and keep getting "timed out" of all the websites I normally use for stats. If anyone can post his defensive numbers in the comments, I would appreciate it. It would be a good thing to discuss.

Anyhow, I have not given up on Reed, and I expect he will rebound next year. That is more opinion than anything else, but I don't think what he did in the minors was a complete fluke, and I still expect him to emerge as a .280-.300 style hitter, with sound overall on-base skills and a bit of power. Mark Kotsay is a comparison I'd use. Let's see what Reed can do without a bum wrist before giving up on him.

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Defense
He had a RAA of -2 in CF in 05 and a rate 2 of 99

by twill on Oct 18, 2005 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reed defense
Led qualified major league centerfielders in range factor (3.05)and zone rating (.943). Had seven assists and three errors (.992 fielding %)

by dodgerdh on Oct 18, 2005 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well
if you look at just the bill james predictions, then everybody underperformed, especially the rookies. i don't know how those projections are generated, but they're crazily optimistic across the board.

by jpahk on Oct 18, 2005 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4.3 Fielding Win Shares
Although, I don't know how or who to compare that to...?  Pretty much, I don't know what that tells me, maybe someone can help?

by CWSKeith on Oct 18, 2005 2:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

runs above average
cwsKeith...

Twill's BP stats (-2 runs above average) for CF simply mean that he saved 2 more runs from scoring--over the course of the season--than a league-average CF in 2005.

Top FRAA stats for CF look like this...

1998 Andruw Jones 23 FRAA
2003 Mike Cameron 14 FRAA

and bottom ones like this...

2001 Carl Everett -10 FRAA

(hehe)

by Azteca on Oct 18, 2005 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

by the way...
...I understand that SafeCo is vast, so is Reed's RangeF a bit skewed?  Or is he really that good?  He was flanked by Ichiro & Winn for much of 05, so it's not like he was acting as a crutch for some aged slag.

Anyone have a sense of how to read that 3.05/#1 Rank?

by Azteca on Oct 18, 2005 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fielding
Range Factor is a measure of the total chances fielded in a player's playing time. In numbers, it's 9*(PO+A)/Innings in Field. It's not a definitive way to quantify fielding by any means. Basically, a lot of balls are hit his way that he gets to.

by dodgerdh on Oct 18, 2005 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RangeF
Right, so maybe the fly-ball combination of Moyer-Meche-Franklin-Pineiro-Sele gave Reed's RangeF a boost.

Indeed, SafeCo + Seattle's flyball staff may have worked this way in the past...

Winn ranked #3 in MLB in 2004 with a 2.92, and noone's ever touted his range; Cameron was off-the-charts in 2003, with a 3.42.

I notice when scanning, that a lot of CF's fielding for bad pitching staffs rise to the top:  Alex Sanchez for 03 Detroit, Rocco Baldelli for 03/04 Tampa.  Don't know (haven't read) but there may be something to that.

(By the way, BP doesn't really have a good explanation, anywhere, for how Clay Davenport's #s work.  At least, I haven't been able to find any.)

by Azteca on Oct 18, 2005 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FRAA
I've written about this in the past on Baseball Think Factory (unfortunately, I think the article itself is currently inaccesible due to the site upgrade). Briefly:

FRAA is a non-PBP based method that takes the raw fielding stats and adjusts them for certain team characteristics, such as GB/FB ratios and staff handedness. Like all non-PBP based defensive methods, however, it can't fully account for opportunity variations from position to position, and while it is not as biased as raw Range Factor or RF/9 is, it is still biased in favor of fielders who have more opportunities to make plays. OFs on fly ball teams will tend to rank higher than OFs on ground ball teams in part because they have more chances to catch fly balls.

Mike Emeigh http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/minor_key/

by MikeE on Oct 19, 2005 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks...
Mike, thanks for the concise explanation.  I thought CD's #s calculated something along those lines.  The -2FRAA couched with his ^^^RangeF tells us a lot about Seattle's staff--and maybe a little about Reed, too.

by Azteca on Oct 19, 2005 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
I know all too well about Carl Everett in the OF; the Sox played him in LF this year one game, and on a line drive that he had to back up on, he got injured.  I know that's not supposed to be funny, but it was.

Thanks for helping out.  So, Reed was two runs below the average outfielder?  

Nice -- Aaron Rowand with a FRAA of seven.  That seems pretty fair, he was damn good out in center this season.

by CWSKeith on Oct 18, 2005 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reed and left-handed pitchers
I don't know when exactly a switch was made, like a lot of people, I started tuning out around June, but I do remember that for the games I was watching, Hargrove would often refuse to put Reed in if the other team was starting a southpaw.  I think that changed towards the end, but it's kind of hard to improve against something you rarely see.

I don't know if it's all that significant, but I think it's also worth noting that, while there was a dropoff of about .070 in his batting average from right-handers to left-handers, he was walking and striking out at near equal rates for both pitchers.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett

by JY on Oct 18, 2005 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A good sign
it's certainly not a bad thing and suggests that he might be able to improve in respect to his LHP stats.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Oct 18, 2005 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reed and the #2 hole...
Reed started the year batting second against right-handed pitchers, and often sitting against lefties.  While he was in the two spot, it was clear that he'd been instructed to pull the ball more in order to "hit behind the runner."  At first these swings were really ugly, and usually resulted in ground outs to the right side.  After a while he began to drive the ball a bit more to that side, and once he'd hit a home run or two and had been dropped permanently from the #2 hole, he seemed to ease off his pull approach.  Another factor to consider is this quote from (now former-) Mariner hitting coach Don Baylor: "We sent you out there to pinch hit, not pinch walk!" I don't know if he emphasized this kind of philosophy with Jeremy, but it's obvious why that sort of instruction could be detrimental to his game...

While this year-long struggle of his was painful to watch, it was probably a good thing.  Reed needed to learn to defend the inside pitch, or pitchers would have exploited that hole in his game to no end. From his chart, he would appear to be a spray hitter, but in fact he went through phases of hitting the ball one way or the other.  If he can become a true spray hitter and utilize his great eye in '06, he should improve.

by chaney on Oct 18, 2005 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Phases
That's pretty consistent with his minor league pattern, actually. Reed, as much as any recent prospect I can think of, displayed an ability to get "into the zone" (or whatever metaphor you want to use) and just hammer the ball for days on end.

I still have an irrational belief that a) the Kotsay comparisons are low, and b) Reed's got a 40+ game hitting streak in him eventually.

Go ahead and shoot your mouth off, like it might kill the silence.

by ESiegrist on Oct 18, 2005 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
I hope you're right, but I'll be happy with the Kotsay stuff.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Oct 18, 2005 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense
Let me say as a lifetime M's fan, we have a long tradition of exiting centerfield play. Dave "Hendu" Hebderson, the Man who made M's Baseball> Ken Griffey Jr., who we got Mike Cameron for then the "next" centrfielder became Jeremy Reed. Local fans who comment on stats say "what's with this guy"? Fans who watch most of the games really feel like he's gonna' be a player because players who play center as good as he showed, eventually hit- sans Gary Pettis. It's the "exiting" catches those centerfields make that set the tradition of M's CF's and Jeremy has a knack for the "Play of the Day"!

by Bob Stinson Fan on Oct 18, 2005 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

History
From what I can tell, Reed has had a very healthy career throughout the minors. Then he gets traded to the M's and look what happens. I swear that team is jinxed.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Oct 18, 2005 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cf defense
One thing that I would be interested in is a list of AL centerfielders and how they rank defensively.  Not really a statistical ranking but more like a scouts ranking.  And then some idea of how a minor league prospect would stack up against major league talent.  This would be interesting from a scouting perspective, especially for positions like LF where there is a huge variance in talent.  Here is a shot, but I am by no means a good source for the subject.

AL CF defense
Vernon Wells
Tori Hunter
Steve Finley
Luis Matos
Carl Crawford
Grady Sizemore
Marc Kotsay
David Dejesus
Nook Logan
Aaron Rowand
Johnny Damon
Randy Winn
Laynce Nix
Gary Matthews
Lew Ford
Jeremy Reed
Curtis Granderson
Bubba Crosby
Bernie Williams
Alex Sanchez

by LindInMoskva on Oct 19, 2005 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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