Community Prospect #52
by wily mo on Jan 4, 2008 10:09 AM EST
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Printgood morning everybody! i hope your new year is going as well as you claimed it was going to a couple days ago. slackers.
our winner in the last poll was chris davis of the rangers, surging up out of the pack. very interesting guy. i really don't know what to think of him myself. i'm not at all sure i have any idea where the other (real) publications are going to slot him.
but here he is.
LIST
1. Jay Bruce OF CIN
2. Evan Longoria 3B TB
3. Colby Rasmus OF STL
4. Clay Buchholz RHP BOS
5. Clayton Kershaw LHP LAD
6. Joba Chamberlain RHP NYY
7. Cameron Maybin OF FLA
8. Homer Bailey RHP CIN
9. David Price LHP TB
10. Andy LaRoche 3B LAD
11. Jacob McGee LHP TB
12. Johnny Cueto RHP CIN
13. Travis Snider OF TOR
14. Brandon Wood 3B/SS CAL
15. Matt Wieters C BAL
16. Jacoby Ellsbury OF BOS
17. (T) Joey Votto 1B CIN
17. (T) Andrew McCutchen OF PIT
19. Wade Davis RHP TB
20. (T) Chase Headley 3B SD
20. (T) Reid Brignac SS TB
22. Daric Barton 1B OAK
23. Rick Porcello RHP DET
24. Franklin Morales LHP COL
25. Jeff Clement C SEA
26. Matt LaPorta OF/1B MIL
27. Mike Moustakas SS KC
28. Chris Marrero OF WAS
29. Fernando Martinez OF NYM
30. Matt Antonelli 2B SD
31. Desmond Jennings OF TB
32. Carlos Gonzalez OF OAK
33. Jason Heyward OF ATL
34. Fautino de los Santos RHP OAK
35. Jed Lowrie SS BOS
36. Angel Villalona 3B SF
37. Gio Gonzalez LHP OAK
38. Ian Kennedy RHP NYY
39. Carlos Triunfel SS SEA
40. Steven Pearce 1B/OF PIT
41. Jordan Schafer OF ATL
(Kosuke Fukudome OF CHC)
42. Adam Miller RHP CLE
43. Nick Adenhart RHP CAL
44. Wladimir Balentien OF SEA
45. Austin Jackson OF NYY
46. Eric Hurley RHP TEX
47. Jose Tabata OF NYY
48. Geovany Soto C CHC
49. Lars Anderson 1B BOS
50. Chin-Lung Hu SS LA
51. Chris Davis 3B TEX
i will create 14 vote-thread comments, one for each prospect polled. please use the "reply to this" link on that comment to post a +1 message under the player you're voting for. (look and see how other people are doing it first if that's not clear.) REMEMBER TO USE THE REPLY-TO-THIS LINK, NOT THE REGULAR FORM AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.
POLL 51
Luke Hochevar RHP KC
Jarrod Parker RHP ARI
Deolis Guerra RHP NYM
Hank Conger C ANA
Jordan Walden RHP ANA
Josh Vitters 3B CHC
Manny Parra LHP MIL
Neil Walker 3B PIT
Taylor Teagarden C TEX
Bill Rowell 3B BAL
James McDonald RHP LA
JR Towles C HOU
Cole Rohrbough LHP ATL
"Other"
Please look at this list and decide who you're voting for now, so you don't make any impulsive decisions down below. Also peruse the following "more candidates" section carefully to make sure there isn't an "other" vote you'd like to cast. Remember - "other" votes are your responsibility as a citizen.
MORE CANDIDATES - PITCHERS
Hiroki Kuroda (2/38), Jair Jurrjens (0/51), Radhames Liz (1/50), Justin Masterson (1/51), Carlos Carrasco (1/49), Max Scherzer (0/49), Ross Detwiler (3/44), Anthony Swarzak (3/47), Jeff Niemann, Scott Elbert, Will Inman, Jeremy Hellickson, Chuck Lofgren, Troy Patton, Alan Horne, Sean Gallagher, Dan Cortes, Chris Volstad, Michael Bowden, Brad Lincoln, Collin Balester, Jaime Garcia, Matt Harrison, Greg Reynolds, Jeff Manship, Donald Veal, Nick Hagadone, Brett Cecil
Tim Alderson (2/47), Chris Tillman (1/49c), Trevor Cahill, Brett Anderson, Kasey Kiker, Jeremy Jeffress, Tony Butler, Michael Main, Omar Poveda, Neftali Feliz, Dellin Betances, Tommy Hanson, Tyler Robertson, Henry Sosa, Brandon Erbe, Kyle Drabek, Jeff Locke, Blake Beavan, Phillippe Aumont, Madison Bumgarner, Matt Latos
Jon Meloan, Casey Weathers, Dan Moskos, Chris Perez, Eduardo Morlan, Felipe Paulino del Guidice
MORE CANDIDATES - HITTERS
Ian Stewart (2/51), Dexter Fowler (1/50), Brandon Jones (4/46), Beau Mills (2/39), Brent Lillibridge, Tyler Colvin, Wes Hodges, Jordan Brown, Drew Stubbs, Chris Nelson, Nolan Reimold, Bryan Anderson, Aaron Cunningham, Nate Schierholtz, Justin Maxwell, Max Ramirez, Kyle Blanks, Josh Rodriguez, Michael Bourn
Michael Burgess (0/49), Elvis Andrus (4/48r), Gorkys Hernandez, Matt Sweeney, Nick Weglarz, Ryan Kalish, Hector Gomez, Jesus Montero, Adrian Cardenas, Gerardo Parra, Chris Carter II, Cedric Hunter
woot.
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by larryp2sickels on Jan 4, 2008 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
+1
boom
by jhelfgott @ Minor League Ball on Jan 4, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
+1
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by Joy in Melville on Jan 4, 2008 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Matt
by WayneCampbell05 on Jan 4, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
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by Terry Ryan Jr on Jan 4, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
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by The Gottfather on Jan 4, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
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by kenwarren on Jan 4, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Damnit,
by bootsy on Jan 5, 2008 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
+1
by The Congo Hammer on Jan 4, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
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Sign me up, injury concerns or not.
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Teagarden's defense was said to be ML ready when he was drafted and his only question was his bat. Look at his stats this year though.
by groundingout @ Minor League Ball on Jan 4, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
+1
+1 (SPI-DAW!)
by rhd on Jan 4, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
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by goalieguy on Jan 4, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
trevor cahill
i look for guys that have the potential to dominate the flow of the game. cahill falls about 4" short of that classification, but he's one to watch in 2008
by overlord on Jan 4, 2008 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Wily Mo
well
could do this prior
not being a homer
My opinion...
Secondly, I really like seeing who the community members are voting for, and feel it gives more incentive for fans of particular prospects to make their arguments because the audience is better defined.
So to your concern, I think it cuts both ways, the undecided will certainly be influenced by the voting pattern, and may vote for the "winner", which isn't the best, but at the same time, I think the process acts as incentive for more campaigning and debate, which is really why I like the community list anyway.
ARGHHHH!!!
/troll
Is this the guy out of Rice?
no, savery was from rice.
by overlord on Jan 4, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Teagarden:
I think his FLOOR is as an above average MLB catcher. Ceiling is Varitek with a little more power and a little better defense.
+1
by Rangers Farmhand on Jan 4, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Carlos Gomez
by willthompson @ Minor League Ball on Jan 4, 2008 10:52 AM EST reply actions
spotlight - josh rodriguez.
josh rodriguez
j-rod is a shortstop in the cleveland org.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Josh-Rodriguez-1.shtml
i'd never heard of him until midyear last year, but his pedigree is actually pretty good. he was considered one of the best college middle infield prospects and a possible first-round pick going into the 2006 draft season, but had one of those injury-related off years and got bumped from SS to 3B at rice by another player and his stock dropped a bit. the indians seem to like drafting guys like that, grabbing both him and wes hodges in the second round that year.
so he had a mediocre junior year in college, then a mediocre first half in pro ball. then one day i open up the august 13 BA hot sheet and see this:
The 22-year-old once considered among the best shortstops in the 2006 draft is starting to live up to his potential after a slow start to his first full professional season. Rodriguez' turning point may end up being a two-homer, nine-RBI performance on Aug. 2. He's hitting .318/.426/.886 with seven homers and 21 RBIs in August to improve to .254/.336/.453 overall. He hit a homer in four consecutive games from June 6-9.
"I told (Kinston manager Mike Sarbaugh) that Josh Rodriguez was going to be a better hitter than Wes Hodges," Indians defensive coordinator Ted Kubiak said. "It's still early so who knows, but it's just taken him a little longer to get going . . . Defensively, he's a little short going to his right side, but he's getting better. The power is what's surprising. It seems like he hits a home run every other day. You have to give him credit for sticking to his work after struggling for so long."
now, i'm not always a hot sheet whore. i'll pass on guys. (we're talking about my fantasy team now, yes.) henry sosa was #1 one week; i thought it over and passed on him. low-A pitchers, there's always another one, i figured. same with FDLS. kind of regret that one now. ryan royster was #2 over j-rod this same week, passed on him. but saw this entry on j-rod, read it, thought about it... went out and googled him a little bit, got some background... sat back in my chair and processed for about ten seconds... and then RAN to my league to pick him up before someone else did.
college player in his first full year, shortstop, hitter. once considered a top college prospect. already in high-A, now hitting, and for power, plus walking.
he may not be a full shortstop defensively, but it sounds like he's not awful, and people seem to really like the bat, to the point where they think it could play at 3B offensively, let alone 2B.
check out the splits:
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=446044&tm=KinCAR&bp=b
in particular look at his BABIP during the huge august. no jump at all. still .275. sometimes i wonder if all the BABIP carping is overrated, because it seems like any time a guy has a hot streak the BABIP is always high and maybe it just has to be. but not this time.
he'll strike out some (95K / 490 AB), but also has pretty good discipline (66 BB).
even if he's not a SS, if he can play 2B he might be a pretty good player. and it seems like nobody's on him right now. you want to see more before you buy in all the way based on one hot month, of course, but i definitely think he's top 100 material somewhere.
anyway this is why i keep listing him on my little lists of candidates. pet prospect!
doot doot
SportsNation Keith Law: #4 starter.
Another reason...
In that same chat...
Law's a turd.
I can't take anyone seriously that says his upside is a #4. Of course, he's the same one that said Luke was pitching in the high 80's in the Futures Game when the gun was clearly flashing "91"-"93"-"91"-"92".
Surprised no votes for McDonald
mcdonald
http://www.minorleagueball.com/comments/2008/1/3/174514/6006/2#2
by overlord on Jan 4, 2008 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
McDonald
by dodgem on Jan 4, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
i've voted for hu, hochevar, liz, and masterson
by overlord on Jan 4, 2008 12:30 PM EST reply actions
Manny Parra
by cool hand Charlie on Jan 4, 2008 1:41 PM EST reply actions
oh, my bad
by cool hand Charlie on Jan 4, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone sell me on Parra?
Does he have a big league job in 2008?
Why did he take so long to move thru the system?
Parra's stuff
As to why it took so long for him to move up; he was injured. Most notably was a torn rotator cuff in 2005 that seems to have had lingering effects.
He will get a shot to compete for a starting spot. If everyone is healthy, Sheets, Gallardo and Suppan have spots locked up and that means Capuano, Bush, Vargas, Villanueva and Parra will compete for the final two spots. I would speculate Parra starts in the bullpen to limit innings but finds his way into the rotation before long.
by kschellenger on Jan 4, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
hey wily mo
Hochevar
i agree
bahh!
I hate caps lock, but this has been explained like 4 times already.
Sub 4 ERA?
He did have 4 good games in his short stint in the majors, but that only brings his second half ERA down to 4.58. And you would think his plus slider would help him rake up the strike outs but he only averaged 6.24 SO/9 in AAA and the majors.
August-September numbers
I like him here.
I saw him compared to Matt Morris somewhere here...he's had a damn solid career.
final tally
Teagarden 18
Parker 16
Guerra 11
M Parra 10
Vitters 7
Walden 7
Conger 7
N Walker 6
McDonald 3
Rowell 2
Rohrbough 1
(Cahill 1)
Towles 0
Total Votes 116
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