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Free Agent Bargains

Who do you think are going to be the biggest FA bargains of the 2006 off season?  I have a few in mind but there are some questions marks that surround them.

My Opinions:

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Kip Wells - Still only 29 and although has a history of injuries and under-acheivement if put in the right situation he could shine and will likely do so on a cheap incentive laden deal.  Seems like the perfect fit for the Cardinals!!!

Shannon Stewart - I'm not sure on the status of his foot injury but he's a decent hitter when healthy (when being the key word).  If he can stay healthy he could hit above .300 with a bit of pop (say 15 HRs) although his speed will be limited.

Mark Redman - I put him here not because there are questions that surround him but because he is in the 3rd tier of available pitchers behind (Zito/Schmidt in tier 1, Lilly/Meche etc tier 2) yet his 11 wins in KC would have easily been 15 wins on a decent team, he is solid and consistent, he could be a good bargain as a #4 starter for a team that misses out on the more sexy FAs.

Who else could be a good bargain???

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Randy Wolf
I think is a nice sleeper. Can be solid if he stays healthy.
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by jdelavalle on Nov 22, 2006 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

Other Guys
Octavio Dotel: I'm bit on him now that he's 2 years removed from Tommy John.

Mark Loretta: I still think he has some in the tank...even though last year as a dissapointment.

Craig Wilson: Give him an everyday starting job and he could hit 30 HR's.

Rod Barajas: Hit 47 home runs since joining Texas in 2004 and only Jorge Posada (62), Victor Martinez (59) and Jason Varitek (52) have more home runs as an AL catcher.

John Tompson: Posted a 1.59 ERA in his first six starts, and then endured the remainder of what became an injury-marred season.

Tony Graffanino/Ronnie Belliard : In my eyes, both are equal players to Mark DeRosa (but will come way, way, way, way cheaper than him).

David Dellucci: Give him 400 AB's and he'll give you 25+ HR's.

Dmitri Young: Solid, but headcase.

José Guillén: He'll sign a multi-million dollar contract somewhere(so not sure if he fits your definition of "bargin") but he's a Comeback Player of the Year candidate in my eyes.  

by fartballs on Nov 22, 2006 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

I like
Dellucci.  He'd be awesome for a team that needs a RHP-masher.

Dotel, too.  High upside, but don't be putting your confidence that he'll be your closer or even your setup guy.

Stay away from: Dmitri Young.  As a Tiger fan, I've seen enough.  He's done.  I hope he's at least getting his life back in order.

by mcq fesijiba on Nov 22, 2006 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Delluci....
is a great choice.

Guy who can give you a high OBP and good power. Nice hitter.

by SenorGato88 on Nov 22, 2006 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

None
I don't think FA's, bargain and winter of 2006 will ever mix.

by slurve on Nov 22, 2006 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

Bargains
I agree with slurve.  However, there might be some relative bargains out there.  I just don't think they include Wells, Stewart, and Redman.

How many years and dollars will it take to sign Wolf?  Is he in that 2nd tier?

Belliard will cost more than de Rosa.  He might still be a relative bargain.

by lonestar on Nov 22, 2006 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

TRUE
Ohka could post a sub-4 ERA next year for like 5 mil, i bet.
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by ufoboy90 on Nov 22, 2006 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohka
I'm pretty wary of his strikeout rate, but he's definately serviceable a la Paul Byrd.  If Ohka lands in the AL, it'll be tough getting his ERA below 4.80 though.

by limozeen on Nov 23, 2006 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Miguel Batista
I think this would be a nice pickup...especially for a contender next season. He is a valuable swing man, can pitch in several roles, and can log alot of time...i think he would be a great pickup for any team....Yanks as a set up man or starter would be a good pick up.

by gashousegang on Nov 22, 2006 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

huh?
The guy will be 36 years old next year, he had a 4.58 ERA in the NL and his K/BB was 110/84.  He'd be a bargain for a team only if he signed with their opponent.

by sabernar on Nov 22, 2006 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Moises Alou
He's the biggest free agent bargain and he already signed.  Alou over the past 3 years has given on average a .919 OPS.  Also Jose Guillen and Carig Wilson.

by bigboy1234 on Nov 22, 2006 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

Alou
$7.5M is the biggest bargain?  For a 40-year old half an OF platoon with bad wheels?

That tells you all you need to know about this year's free agent market.

by Yakker on Nov 22, 2006 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

tell me this...
what other player in the game is going to give you a .919 OPS while getting on base 37% of the time for 7.5M a year in this market?

by bigboy1234 on Nov 22, 2006 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Alou
Well, personally, I'd take a little less power and 8 years less wear-and-tear (and a few mil less) in the form of F-Cat.  To me, that's the best signing so far.

Alou's 41 years old, or will be by the middle of next season.  He's got bad hammies, bad knees, and bad calf muscles.  Sure, it's possible he keeps up the roll he's been on the last 3 years and OPS's to the tune of .919 for the Mets (over his career averages, BTW).  Or, it's possible he reverts back to the player he was with the Cubs, where he was hitting for less power and getting on base less frequently.  

How do you explain his 2002 and 2003 lines?  Did he find the fountain of youth the last 3 years?  Can we reasonably expect him to keep up that level of production?  Or, is it more likely that he'll revert back to his expected level of production, as a hitter on the downslope of his career?  We'll know the answer next year, but I wouldn't have paid $8.5M (including the buyout) to find out.

Plus, in the clubhouse, no one's going to shake Alou's hand.

by Yakker on Nov 22, 2006 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

wait...
so you take the stats from what he did 4 and 5 years ago over the stats he has had the past 3 years?  I don't know what he found but whatever it is, is making him a damn good hitter, a way better one than Cat too, Cat didn't even average of an .800 OPS the past 3 years.

by bigboy1234 on Nov 22, 2006 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Moises
No, I don't take either over the other.  I offered the 2002/2003 stats for context.  Maybe Alou found the fountain of youth, but he's OPS'ing over his career numbers for the last 3 years.  Maybe you don't care why, but a guy who does that at ages 38 through 40 makes me suspicious.

He's eventually going to fall off a cliff.  Will it happen at age 41?  It's possible.  It's also possible he'll give the Mets a .900 OPS next year.  But I wouldn't bet $8.5M on it.

Alou has been a fine hitter for many years.  He is a good addition to the Mets, as they need a RHB bat and can afford to open up the pocketbooks.  But the steal of the offseason?  Sorry, I can't agree with that.

by Yakker on Nov 23, 2006 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Guys!!!
Moises Alou is a darn good hitter.  He probably will give the Mets an OPS of .900.  What you're all missing is he played in only 98 games last season!  

by DrBGiantsfan on Nov 23, 2006 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

That's precisely my point
Why pay $8.5M for a guy like that, when you also take on the risk of his production falling off a cliff?

by Yakker on Nov 24, 2006 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Stewart's done
He will be out for the entire 2007 season anyway. He's putting his left foot under the knife. It never healed, pardon the pun. Once he's another year removed from MLB, I put his odds of coming back at age 34 at 50 to 1.
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by cmathewson on Nov 22, 2006 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

El Fin
I agree 100%.  Since he was traded to the Twins, I have seen a ton of Stewart.  He has zero power left and zero plate discipline (which was supposedly an asset he used to have).  Take a look at how empty his batting average was when he did play this year.  It was nearly Tyner-esque.

Also, he is also quite possibly the worst outfielder I have ever seen as far as positioning, routes and throwing arm go.  

by mini tb on Nov 22, 2006 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Gil Meche
Yeah, bash me for this one.  If Meche signs for $8MM or less per year, he could be a bargain.  He's the one pitcher on the FA market with great stuff and decent strikeout numbers who has room to improve in the control and stamina departments, especially because last year was his first full one back from injury.  I could see him improving either and becoming a solid #3 or even #2...a $10-15MM pitcher on the FA market.

I know Mariners fans think he looked bad, but you have to realize that he was coming back from injury and still throwing hard with OK control and strikeout ability.  Meche intrigues me more than any other FA pitcher.

by limozeen on Nov 22, 2006 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

Meche
I'm pretty sure there are Mariners fans who would pay Meche $8M per year not to pitch for them.

If I heard my team's division rival was going to sign Meche for something like $24M/3, I'd be ecstatic.

by Yakker on Nov 22, 2006 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

hm
I really don't understand this.  It's clear to me that Meche, when healthy, is a #2/#3 in the AL.

Pre All-Star break, he had 90 strikeouts in 110.1 innings and a 3.83 ERA.  He wore down big-time in the next 76.1 innings, but that's totally understandable for a guy building up stamina after a terrible injury.

Meche has great stuff and great strikeout ability.  He has two areas to improve: control and stamina.  When I see a guy with plus stuff who was league-average starter last year despite having two areas that he could make major strides in, I see a potential free-agent bargain.

by limozeen on Nov 22, 2006 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure
We've had this debate to some extent before, and I respect your opinion.  But nothing about Meche screams bargain to me.

For example, take his first half this year.  90 Ks in 110.1 IPs, as you say.  Not great, but not bad either.  Works out to 7.3 Ks/9.  Not what I'd call great strikeout ability.  (In the second half, he struck out 66 in 76.1 IPs, which translates to a 7.78 K/9.)  And that's about where Meche has been for most of his Seattle career.  He's posted K/9 rates of 4.94, 6.30, 6.28, 6.98, 5.21, and 7.52 (in 2006).  Now, looking at that charitably, I guess you could say that he's broken through in 2006, but a 7.5/9 K rate for a 28-year old in his sixth full season doesn't move me, even a guy who's missed as much time as Meche has (to an injury that as recently as a few years ago was considered the death knell of pitcher injuries).

But the mediocre K rates are only half the story for Meche, and the better half, as it were.  Meche has a command problem.  He's never been able to throw quality strikes (even in the first half of 2006, his K/BB rate was 2/1).  That also makes him very hittable--101 Hs in those 110.1 IPs pre-ASB IPs in 2006, and he's had similar numbers in other years too.

Put it all together, and what do you have?  A league average pitcher who doesn't strike out a ton of people and walks too many.  When he's not walking them, he's throwing them nice fat strikes that are geting poked all over and out of the park, even in Safeco.  And he's not even a lefty.

He's definitely not a #2/#3 in my book, he's a #4 or more likely a #5.  Now, is it possible that Meche will breakout out for someone next year?  Sure, it's possible.  If he gets his command issues worked out at age 29 and keeps the K rate at or over 7.5/9, he could be decent.  At most, I'd sign him to some sort of a Wade Miller style deal and hope for the best.  But at $8M/year for 3 years?  I just don't see it.

by Yakker on Nov 22, 2006 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You are severely underrating Meche
It happens with inconsistent players, the Jays feels the same way about Ted Lilly, but both are solid mid-rotation starters despite their inconsistencies.

First of all, I just want to say that 7.52K/9IP is not mediocre, it is in fact pretty damn good. It puts him 22nd among all starting pitchers qualified. It puts him ahead of those you tend to consider big time power pitchers like Chris Carpenter, Kelvim Escobar, and Roy Oswalt, to name a few. On the downside, Meche does have control problems, but his stuff is good enough to limit his hits allowed to just a tad under a hit an inning, which is also a very positive sign for a pitcher.

He is 28, still young enough to stabilize his mechanics and gain command of his pitches. He ceiling is a good number two, and barring injuries, he is no worse then a solid #4. Which means, he would likely range from average to above-average in the next couple years. You can't discount the importance of a league average pitcher, these players are extremely valuable. League average players are not exactly easy to find. Trust me, you will miss him next year once he is gone.

by slitheringslider on Nov 23, 2006 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Meche
Well, I'm not going to miss anyone, since I'm not an M's fan.

But you raise a good point:  for me, there's no place on my team for guys like Meche or Lilly.  And it's probably partially the frustration of watching their ups and downs.

I seem to remember some work being done on this, maybe over at HBT.  Guys who average out well over the long haul, but only keep you in a small portion of your games (when they're good they're very good, but when they're bad they're awful).  IIRC, the conclusion was traditional metrics over-value these guys (though it could be a sign of a potential breakout).

by Yakker on Nov 24, 2006 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Stamina
Why do you believe he can improve this? Ever since he tore his labrum he has very little stamina and hasn't been able to improve this. And if you read articles by Will Carroll from his Under the knife article he talks about serious labrum injuries and how the players almost never recover full stamina. I think the injury was about 5 years ago and he has the same problem.

Either he will have to be babied like Pedro or you could use him as a dominant setup man.

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by pedrophile on Nov 26, 2006 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Stamina
I believe he can improve stamina over the course of the season (not wearing down as the year goes on), but I know he's not going to give you a lot of innings per start.

by limozeen on Nov 26, 2006 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Wolf
Whoever signs Randy Wolf will have a bargain on their hands!

by doublestix on Nov 22, 2006 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

Danny Baez
Anyone think a team will give Baez a chance to close? Maybe Boston?

by wildcatrosco on Nov 22, 2006 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

re
Dave Roberts. Heard he may sign for for under 5 mill. His numbers say he is one of the top three leadoff hitters in the game. Only question is if he can keep up his production as he's getting up there in age.

Kenny Lofton has to be. A journeyman now, but even with hopping city-to-city he puts up good numbers every year still

by ScottAZ on Nov 22, 2006 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah
He's a very good player for the 120 games or so he's going to play in a season.  If you have Roberts, you'd better have a good backup.

by mcq fesijiba on Nov 22, 2006 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

re
He does get a minor injury on almost a yearly basis. Lots of knees and groin stuff on his record. That is a product of his aggressive game and style. When you game is speed and going all out on the base paths and in CF, injuries may occur. You also have to take under consideration that he only gets in to 120 games per year because of the faulty tag of having to sit against lefties (even though he has a lifetime av/ob split of around .260/.350 against them)

I would take Roberts any day of the week. He is a good leader, does very well in the postseason, and is one of the few speedsters that know how to work a pitcher. Get Nook Logan off the waiver wire to back him up (since Nook murders lefties) and you are ready to rock.

by ScottAZ on Nov 23, 2006 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

One name forgotten...
is suprisingly...JD Drew.

Great defensive OFer, good power, good average, good OBP, but a crappy injury history gets him ridiculed hardcore.

He will get half the money and half the years of Soriano but he's the far better overall player and hitter.

Technically, that makes him a bargain in this digusting offseason.

by SenorGato88 on Nov 22, 2006 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

Speculation on Drew's contract
3 yr/$48m...iow, something akin to what Furcal got last year, but with a market adjustment.

by Azteca on Nov 22, 2006 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Whuaaaaaaaaa?
I'd heard Boston, a club in passionate lust with Drew, was offering 4/$48.  I'd go $12M/yr for him, but not $16M.  That's just crazy talk.
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by drjayphd on Nov 23, 2006 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

re
When someone is getting over $12 mill/per he cannot qualify as forgotten or undervalued

by ScottAZ on Nov 23, 2006 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Why?
If he's better than a guy making more money that I'd consider it a bargain.

And theres more than money, Drew will get less years than Pierre, Soriano, and Matthews. That also makes him less of a burden than the others in the future.

by SenorGato88 on Nov 23, 2006 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Drew
I think Drew will get 14-15 mil/per at least.  The market is drying up and he didn't opt out of 3/33 on a whim.  His agent knows he's gonna bank this off-season because of the market.  Philly was so bent on getting Lee - how weird would Drew signing w/ the Phillies be?  

by slurve on Nov 25, 2006 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

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