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Prospect Analysis: Elite Pitching Prospects from 2007

Prospect Analysis: Elite Pitching Prospect from 2007

To finish the "learning from old prospect lists" series, I decided to take a look at the elite prospects from 2007. Although we have less data on these guys than with the previous lists, we can at least distinguish the complete busts from the guys who are having/will have successful careers. Remember, for these reports I am only looking at prospects graded with an A or A-.

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Listed alphabetically:

Homer Bailey: 78 games, 78 starts, 436 innings, 4.35 FIP, peak WAR 1.9, total WAR 4.8. He shows his talent in flashes.
Yovani Gallardo:
118 games, 115 starts, 712 innings, 3.53 FIP, peak WAR 4.6, total WAR 13.4. No complaints here.
Matt Garza:
152 games, 149 starts, 923 innings, 3.98 FIP, peak WAR 5.0, total WAR 14.6. No complaints here.
Luke Hochevar: 100 games, 96 starts, 586 innings, 4.41 FIP, peak WAR 2.3, total WAR 7.4. His rating as an elite prospect was based entirely on scouting reports with no professional data. He's been OK, sort of the American League Mike Pelfrey.

Phil Hughes: 120 games, 71 starts, 444 innings, 4.13 FIP, peak WAR 2.5, total WAR 7.2. He's been reasonably effective when healthy. If he can get through the next year or two without something catastrophic, I still think he can blossom.
Eric Hurley: Five starts, 25 innings, 5.93 FIP. Ruined by injuries.
Clayton Kershaw: 118 games, 116 starts, 716 innings, 3.04 FIP, peak WAR 6.8, total WAR 17.1. No complains here, a Cy Young winner.

Tim Lincecum: 156 games, 155 starts, 1028 innings, 2.93 FIP, peak WAR 8.0, total WAR 27.9. Another Cy Young winner.
Adam Miller: Injuries
Mike Pelfrey: 150 games, 146 starts, 877 innings, 4.24 FIP, peak WAR 3.0, total WAR 8.6. He eats innings.


Of the 10 elite pitching prospects rated for 2007, two of them (Hurley, Miller) were destroyed by injuries. Two (Kershaw, Lincecum) became Cy Young winners. Gallardo and Garza have been quite impressive. Hochevar and Pelfrey have developed into unexciting-but-useful workhorse types, and Bailey and Hughes are in something like an "undecided" category, showing flashes but held back by some issues (command, injuries, etc) which may or may not get better.

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2003-2006 made it look like the old adage of “Top Prospect Hitters are much more reliable than Top Prospect Pitchers” is totally untrue, if not even the opposite. But 2207 makes it look like the old adage was dead on.
So…what do we learn from this?….

The wind is in the buffalo.

by journeymen on Feb 10, 2012 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Disagree

I don’t know that the 2007 data is all that inconsistent with 2003-06. 2 out of 10 pitchers were complete busts, with 2 more in the “undecided” category. 3 out of 15 hitters were complete busts, and that doesn’t even count Delmon Young or Adam Lind (both of whom I guess you could say are “undecided” to some extent).

I’m ready to say pitchers and hitters are at the very least equally predictable and equally valuable (from a prospect standpoint). That is what 4 years of data suggests to me. It could be random variance I guess, but the data is starting to become more reliable.

by guru4u on Feb 10, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

2007 seems like the anomaly

Some years the prospectors will get it more right than others. Prospecting/scouting is and always will be a crapshoot. I am sure that many folks would like to think of 2007 as “progress” in the industry relative to the previous years, but I doubt it. The 2007 rankings are largely a byproduct of the 2005 draft. The 1st round of that draft gave us – Justin Upton, Alex Gordon, Ryan Zimmerman and Ryan Braun in the first 5 picks. Toluwitzki, Maybin, Bruce, McCutchen, Ellsbury and Rasmus were all part of the first round as well. This probably belongs in the hitters section by my motivation comes and goes…

by huztler on Feb 10, 2012 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

Hurley

Surprised he was on this list. I don’t remember him getting nearly as much attention as the other pitchers on this list.

by jedjethro on Feb 11, 2012 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

Phil Hughes

Has he really been reasonably effective when healthy? He was great as a reliever, but outside of a no hit bid and something like a 6 game stretch to start his 2010 season, how has he not failed miserably as a starter so far?

FREE GUYER!

by SandalsNoPants on Feb 12, 2012 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

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