Jake Marisnick: A Future Top 10 Prospect?
In my Monday night fantasy baseball chat over at FakeTeams, a reader questioned why I liked Blue Jays outfield prospect Jacob Marisnick so much. Here is his question and my response:
Comment From RyanWhy are you so obsessed with Marisnick? I feel like you are going to lead a lot of unknowing owners astray by making him seem way better than he is.Ray: He had a very good 2011 season. Not sure what there is not to like. He hits for power, steals bases, hits for a good BA and has a solid eye at the plate.
Previous to this question, a reader had asked who are the best outfield prospects besides Bryce Harper and Mike Trout, and I mentioned a few, including Marisnick. I probably would not have included Marisnick in my response had I not joined an AL-Only keeper league recently. I took over a team that finished in 9th place, so I felt the best strategy would be to rebuild, so I have traded some of my keepers for prospects and picks. This league has a two round minor league draft, and as a result of my deals, I now own 3 of the first 5 picks in the minor league draft, so I have been doing a lot of prospect research in my free time recently.
More on Marisnick after the jump:
Taking a look at his performance in Low A in 2011, one can't help but love the triple slash line he put up as a 20 year old. FanGraphs Mike Newman stated in a recent chat that to be considered a legit prospect, one must be 20 years of age in Low A, and Marisnick meets that requirement. He turns 21 at the end of March, and presumably will start the 2012 season in High A, with a chance to move up to AA should he continue to hit like he did in 2011.
Let's take a look at his 2011 stats, courtesy of Baseball-Reference:
| Year | Age | Lev | G | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS | BB | SO | TB | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2010 | 19 | A-Rk | 69 | 249 | 33 | 63 | 20 | 2 | 4 | 26 | 23 | 3 | 22 | 55 | .253 | .336 | .398 | .733 | 99 |
| 2010 | 19 | Rk | 35 | 122 | 17 | 35 | 12 | 0 | 3 | 14 | 14 | 1 | 13 | 18 | .287 | .373 | .459 | .832 | 56 |
| 2010 | 19 | A | 34 | 127 | 16 | 28 | 8 | 2 | 1 | 12 | 9 | 2 | 9 | 37 | .220 | .298 | .339 | .636 | 43 |
| 2011 | 20 | A | 118 | 462 | 68 | 148 | 27 | 6 | 14 | 77 | 37 | 8 | 43 | 91 | .320 | .392 | .496 | .888 | 229 |
| 2 Seasons | 187 | 711 | 101 | 211 | 47 | 8 | 18 | 103 | 60 | 11 | 65 | 146 | .297 | .372 | .461 | .834 | 328 | ||
Last season was Marisnick's first full season in the minors and he couldn't have performed much better. Of all Midwest league hitters who played over 100 games, Marisnick was second in the league in hitting, 7th in RBI and stolen bases, 4th in OBP, 8th in SLG and 5th in total bases. Marisnick's performance is even more impressive when you consider the league average age in 2011 was 21.6 years of age, and the league average triple slash line was .250-.323-.370, so he was a year and a half younger than the league average and was one of the leagues top hitters.
Marisnick benefitted from an extremely high .371 BABIP though, so some regression is expected in 2012. But he did show a solid eye at the plate, as his 17.4% strikeout rate and 8.2% walk rate indicates. Marisnick will be challenged by more experienced pitching in High A in 2012, and will have to prove his solid plate discipline was no fluke.
If his performance is not enough, this is what John had to say about him in his Blue Jays Top 20 Prospects for 2012:
3) Jake Marisnick, OF, Grade B+: Speed, defense, and a greatly improved bat. More power development would get him into the A-range.
An A- rating for a 20 year old is quite impressive and made me wonder if Marisnick could eventually be a future top 10 prospect. So, I decided to look at what other prospect experts are saying about him. Let's take a look.
Baseball America wrote about him recently in their Blue Jays Top 10 Prospects for 2012:
Scouting Report: One of the best athletes in the 2009 draft class, Marisnick has the upside of a five-tool center fielder. He has strength in his frame and swing, producing plenty of backspin and solid raw power. A hitch in his swing previously had scouts concerned about his ability to hit, but he has ironed out his mechanics and is less susceptible to offspeed stuff. His speed, range and arm are all above-average. He has a knack for stealing bases, succeeding on 60 of his 71 attempts (85 percent) as a pro. His quickness also enables him to glide to balls in the gap with ease.
The Future: Anthony Gose has louder tools, but Marisnick is a quality athlete and a better hitter. If Gose entrenches himself in center field, Marisnick has enough offense and arm to play in right. The Blue Jays won't rush him, but he could force a midseason promotion if he continues to produce in high Class A Dunedin in 2012.
Baseball America agrees with John here with respect to Marisnick being a better hitter than Gose, but they still ranked Gose as their #2 prospect in the Blue Jays system, with Marisnick right behind him at #3. John likes Marisnick a bit more than Gose, as he ranked Gose at #9 in the Blue Jays system, while ranking Marisnick several spots ahead at #3.
A little more research lead me to a site called SeedlingstoStars.com, and here is what Seedlingstostars' Nathaniel Stoltz wrote about him recently:
Conclusions: Marisnick has top-25 talent and he just had a big year, but he’s still got a short track record of success and a lot of distance between his current level and the big leagues. By the time he reaches the majors, he could be considered one of the top prospects in the game, but for now, he’ll need to spend 2012 proving he can continue to show some control of the strike zone against more advanced pitchers, and, preferably, clearing a few more fences. If he can keep his production intact up through Double-A, he’ll have a strong case for the top right-handed hitting outfield prospect in the game by year’s end.
Nate likes Marisnick quite a bit, and even thinks he can make it to AA this season, but Marisnick will have to continue to display a solid eye at the plate and improved power to do so.
Is it too early to start thinking about Marisnick as a future Top 10 prospect, and possibly as soon as 2013?
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Top Ten?
So many really good bats in the minors, it is hard to see Marisnick as among the top ten. He is a nice prospect, but top ten? Harper and Trout are entrenched at #1 and #2 for now. There are a ton of really big bats right behind them: Wil Myers, at least a pair of highly regarded catchers (D’Arnaud and Mesoraco), guys like Bogaerts and Rosario, Jesus Montero (if you want to still consider him eligible), Anthony Rendon from the 2011 draft, Nolan Arenado on the verge, Miguel Sano, Oscar Taveras, etc. Is Marisnick is in this company? He isn’t clearly even the top in Toronto’s organization. Maybe we could more comfortably say top 25?
Future top 10
A lot of those guys- trout, Harper etc will lose minor league status at some point while marisnick is stil in the minors.
He has the talent. As john sickels said in the book last year is if these tools guys figure it out they thrive.
If he has another yr like last yr he is a no doubt top 10 bat and maybe a shot at top 10 overall pending your belief in some upside sp
If he looks like a legit 5 tool outfielder after 2012
he’ll get a lot of love, some guys you listed will have moved up as well.
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I remember a year ago or more, when Dom Brown was a top 3 prospect, reading that Marisnick that had the upside to be that type of player.
How Many
people still think Domonic Brown is a top ten talent? Brown may be closer to Aaron Hicks and Travis Snider than to a top ten prospect.
But, point taken on the promotions of some of the major prospects.
I think he is
he has been handled horribly by the Phillies
here is Jason Parks on Marisnick back in September
Jake Marisnick (Jays)
TCF: “Marisnick is the poster boy for the modern prospect: He has size (6-foot-4, 200 pounds), plus athleticism, present tools and polish to go with future projection and ceiling, not to mention a name that just sounds like it belongs in the game.” I like quoting myself. It makes me feel important. Marisnick shows all five tools, with solid-average to plus projections across the board. Industry debate exists over Marisnick’s future role, with some seeing right field as a better fit given his strong arm and offensive profile, while others think his skills can play in center field, making him one of the most valuable prospects in the game. Regardless of the position, Marisnick’s toolbox gives him a major-league future, and if everything comes together, a first-division ceiling is within reach.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 5, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Imagine a Rasmus-Gose-Marisnick outfield
Should provide really good defense, as all three could be CFs, and has potential to be great offensively. Of course, I’m dreaming.
Rasmus
I wonder if he will be the odd guy out in the next year or two…..can he turn it around?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 5, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
yeah man,
He’ll never be top 10. That isn’t to say he won’t be a darn-good MLB outfielder, but you have to be off the charts good as a hitter to get top 10 love… Top 10 outfielders aren’t a little bit young for their level; playing low-A at 20, they reach the bigs at 20… Nice prospect, and if I was in an AL Keeper league, I’d be all over him – he’s just not a top 10 guy.
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by PeterF on Jan 5, 2012 10:47 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
reach the bigs at 20?
really?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Trout, Heyward, Stanton I would bet Harper could not sure he should
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Great work!
This is great stuff. Really like how you incorporated analysis from multiple sources.
If power continues to improve I dont see why he wouldnt push for top 10, particularly with the number of top bats that will graduate this year.
by highheat on Jan 5, 2012 11:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
thanks
the big question is whether the power will develop.
I have 3 of the top 5 picks in my minor league draft and plan on taking him at 2 if d’Arnaud goes at 1.
Then have my choice of Starling, Cuthbert, Bogaerts in 2 of the next 3 picks.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 5, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Even if Bauer & Cole
Are on the board? Assuming Rendon would be gone.
by highheat on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
sorry
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
By omission is Hultzen #6?
You said it only goes two rounds so assuming you have no further picks where would you also rank Gose and Paxton?
(btw, I assume Darvish not elig?!)
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right
Darvish will be up with the big league club, so he will go in the major league auction.
Goes was drafted last year, but I am trying to trade for him.
Since it is only a two round draft, 12 teams, I assume Hultzen will go probably in the middle of the first or early second round. Not sure if Paxton gets drafted or not.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 5, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
chat transcript
Where can I find the chat transcript? The chat link above doesn’t include a transcript or a link to one.
Marisnick benefitted from an extremely high .371 BABIP though, so some regression is expected in 2012.
Good minor league hitters tend to have higher than “normal” BABIPs since they are usually facing inferior pitching/defense. Just look at Mike Trout’s and Jesus Montero’s BABIPs.
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Not to parse words
But can he be top 10? Sure
Will be be a future top-10? I’d bet against it, just on the sheer odds.
Exciting prospect though, he’s had the breakout and now I’m just hoping for a consolidation season in the FSL in 2012. If he can come close to repeating 2011 in 2012, then I think the answer is yes.
Is it possible he could become a top 10 prospect?
Well, sure. Does he have a better than even chance of becoming a top ten prospect?
Hell no.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 5, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
it's hard to be a top 10 prospect
Hairylady mentioned some guys who are probably going to be ahead of Marisnick for as long as they’re in the minors, and that wasn’t even counting any pitchers. And in future years there will be guys who have breakouts, and new guys who come in the draft and make a splash.
As far as I can tell Andrew McCutchen was never on any top-ten lists, and though his numbers were never as gaudy as Marisnick’s low-A numbers McCutchen was at much higher levels at the same age — his age-20 season was split between AA and AAA. I’m not sure we should project Marisnick to be ranked higher than Cutch. (Though maybe he’ll stay in the minors longer, which should help.)
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Jan 5, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
true
but McCutchen was rushed. He made it to AA at the age of 19 and didn’t make the bigs till he was 22, and then spent parts of 3 years in AAA before getting promoted.
Marisnick could make it to AA as a 21 yr old if all goes well in 2012. Not too shabby.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 5, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Not too shabby but not - that - impressive
He’s a very good prospect, and he might make that level, but it’s really not that interesting of a question considering he’s already a top-50 prospect. Part of what will determine if he makes a top-10 list or not is how much he is rushed. The bigger issue is how good he will/could be in the majors.
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you're right OremLK
Of course he “can” — the question should be, “how likely is it that he will be?”
Hunter Pence with more speed and better defense
I’ve been on the Marisnick bandwagon for over a year. I had him as a top 25 guy midseason last year.

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