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Cleveland Indians Top 20 Prospects for 2012

Relief pitcher Nick Hagadone of the Cleveland Indians pitches during the seventh inning against the Minnesota Twins at Progressive Field on September 24, 2011 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Photo by Jason Miller/Getty Images)

Cleveland Indians Top 20 Prospects for 2012

The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Comments are welcome, but in the end all analysis and responsibility is mine of course. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2012 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!

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QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:

Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.

Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.

Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.

A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.

Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.

Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment in the book for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.

1) Francisco Lindor, SS, Grade B+: A strong defensive shortstop who can hit, at least for average. Not expected to have big power, but not punchless either. He should be a force at the top of the order while providing a slick glove, and probably won't need as much time in the minors as many high schoolers.

2) Dillon Howard, RHP, Grade B-: Borderline B. No pro innings yet, but has body and stuff of a number two starter. Grade is cautious given lack of pro data. Could be much higher next year.

3) Tony Wolters, SS, Grade B-: Borderline B. Solid contact hitter had fine summer in the New York-Penn League, controls zone well, gets on base, effective runner, Indians say he has a chance to stick at shortstop, although with Lindor around a switch to second is very likely. That would be a nice double play combo.

4) Jake Sisco, RHP, Grade C+: Junior college pitcher drafted in the third round last year, throws hard, projectable, flashes a complete arsenal but not consistent yet. High ceiling with a chance to be special.

5) Luigi Rodriguez, OF, Grade C+: Tool-laden outfielder with power/speed potential, played well in Arizona Rookie League. High-ceiling, grade could be much higher next year with another season under his belt.

5) Ronny Rodriguez, SS, Grade C+: Another tools guy, has plate discipline problems but hit 11 homers and stole 10 bases in the Midwest League in his pro debut, skipping short-season ball completely. 19 years old, from Dominican Republic, raw but has tools to stick at short. Another guy who could earn much higher grades as he develops.

6) Nick Hagadone, LHP, Grade C+: Power arm from left side has taken well to bullpen work, held lefties to .127 average in Triple-A. At worst a strong LOOGY, but could get beyond that. Should help in 2012.

7) Elvis Araujo, LHP, Grade C+: Big lefty is Tommy John survivor, looked very good in Arizona Rookie League, throws hard but secondary pitches and command need work. High ceiling.

8) Felix Sterling, RHP, Grade C+: Another raw-but-talented pitcher, throws hard, thick legs, durable build. Command needs work, like Araujo he could rank higher with a full season of additional development.

9) Scott Barnes, LHP, Grade C+: On verge of promotion to the majors when he hurt his knee in July. Decent stuff from the left side, deceptive, command is somewhat erratic but when it is working he looks like a solid number four starter. I have liked him since he was in college at St. John's.

10) Cord Phelps, 2B, Grade C+: Shoved aside by Jason Kipnis and didn't hit in major league trial, but deserves more chances. Fits "scrappy second baseman" stereotype but has more pop in his bat than most. Probably a utility player in Cleveland, or trade bait. Worse players have been regulars.

11) LeVon Washington, OF, Grade C+: Had a terrible year at Lake County, but gets a partial mulligan due to nagging injuries and trying to make adjustments in batting stance. Still young, draws some walks, still has the tools that made him an early pick in both '09 and '10 drafts.

12) Chen Lee, RHP, Grade C+: I like this guy and I don't know why he doesn't get more attention. His numbers are always strong, he throws reasonably hard, he's deceptive, he's got some control. Seems like he'll be a fine bullpen asset.

13) Chun Chen, C, Grade C+: Good throwing arm, has power, strike zone got away from him a bit in Double-A but still an intriguing property as a catcher with some sock in his bat.

14) Austin Adams, RHP, Grade C+: Live arm, decent year in Double-A but needs sharper control. Played shortstop in college and is athletic. Could be fourth starter or a solid reliever.

15) Jake Lowery, C, Grade C+: Excellent plate discipline with power potential, working on defense, probably won't hit for much of a batting average at higher levels but should be productive.

16) Matt Packer, LHP, Grade C+: Control artist gets plenty of grounders, posts strong K/BB ratios but hittable and needs a good defense behind him. Could be four/five starter with proper support.

17) Enosil Tejeda, RHP, Grade C+: Very good stuff, overpowering K/IP ratio in New York-Penn League, could move through system rapidly as relief option.

18) Jorge Martinez, SS, Grade C+: 18-year-old switch-hitter impressed scouts with tools in rookie ball, but quite raw on defense and faces positional switch. Just scratching the surface of his power potential. High-risk/high-reward type.

19) Robel Garcia, 3B; Grade C+: Another intriguing bat from Cleveland's collection of Latin American players in the Arizona Rookie League. Switch-hitter with power and contact issues.

20) Giovanni Soto, LHP, Grade C+: Not overpowering with the velocity but still gets his strikeouts, performed well in Carolina League at age 20, strong component ratios. Plausable he could develop into a mid-rotation starter.

21) Jesus Aguilar, 1B, Grade C+: Borderline C. He can mash the ball, plate discipline and defense are big questions.

OTHERS: Cody Allen, RHP; Cody Anderson, RHP; Rob Bryson, RHP; Kelvin De La Cruz, LHP; Juan Diaz, SS; Paulo Espino, RHP (a sleeper); Eric Haase, C; T.J. House, LHP; Corey Kluber, RHP; Jason Knapp, RHP; Alex Lavisky, C: Zach McAllister, RHP; Shawn Morimando, LHP; Bryson Myles, OF; Thomas Neal, OF; Dorssys Paulino, SS (latest Latin American bonus baby, high-ceiling player but hasn't even played in DSL yet); Zach Putnam, RHP; Danny Salazar, RHP; Bryce Stowell, RHP; Tyler Sturdevant, RHP.

This is a very difficult system to analyze.

The top of the organization was lopped off by trades and major league graduations, and the next wave is primarily at the lower levels. Quite honestly, spots 5 through 21 could be listed in almost any order, depending on how you value pure upside, risk, and closeness to the majors. I tried to find a balance with the list, but every analyst and writer is going to have a different take on this system once you get past the first four or five slots.

A list based purely on scouting and upside potential is going to look very different than a purely sabermetric list. Since I combine the two approaches, the uncertainty factor is quite high right now.

Indians fans may be discouraged by the large number of C+ grades, but they shouldn't be. While some of those C+s are future role players or relievers, the younger members of the group are high-ceiling guys who are just too raw or far away to get a higher grade just yet, but who could blossom within the next year or two. I'm thinking particularly of Araujo, Sterling, and the group of hitters who were backing them up in the Arizona Rookie League. The 2013 and 2014 lists could see a lot of those guys bumped up into the B-range (or maybe even higher) if they develop properly.

The "others" group has some very interesting names as well, beginning with Dorssys Paulino who could turn into a star, or nothing, or anything in between. McAllister, Neal, Espino, Putnam, Stovall, and Sturdevant could all contribute in the majors in 2012. Bryson Myles was an on-base machine with speed in college and the New York-Penn League.

In short, I like this farm system. It is going to be a lot of fun to see what happens in 2012, especially at Lake County and Mahoning Valley.

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Only three prospects ranked above a C+, but I can’t recall ever seeing a system on this site with so many C+ prospects. Are any of the players who made the “others” category C+ as well?

This system could look worse next season, but it could also look much, much brighter. Time will tell.

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by Stupendous Man on Jan 4, 2012 8:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

...the Padres

…had a ton of C+ last year & again this year…

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by PeterF on Jan 4, 2012 11:23 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

It is

But if you are trying to get good pitching and hitting, it sucks being in the treading water section of the division and end up placing fourth ahead of Kansas City and behind Minnesota, Chicago, and Detroit.

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by Jessy S on Jan 20, 2012 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Sellers

They will replenish from dealing Sizemore, Carmona and Masterson soon. Add a breakout or 2 and you have a solid minor league system here.

Most arguments are really about context.

by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

alot of young talent on their major league club and a pretty weak division make me think that you may not be correct with that prediction…

by Chicago's Cardinal 3 on Jan 4, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing with him and Hector Rondon.

Everyone seemed to at least think they’d make the majors. Now they don’t even get an honorable mention.

by The Gottfather on Jan 4, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Injuries. Same goes for Alexander Perez, although he’s been pitching this fall/winter I believe.

I’d rate Perez ahead of Rondon anyway, since I believe he could stick in the rotation if healthy and Rondon seems like a future reliever to me.

Weglarz just can’t seem to stay on the field. When he does however, we know what he can do — walk and hit for power. That’s a pretty solid skillset, but for a guy without any real defensive value, he needs to hit very well to a real option and the last couple of years he hasn;t done that.

by JP_Frost on Jan 4, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus Rondon was felled by injury again this offseason with a broken elbow.

by APV on Jan 4, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Rondon

I think he was released. I could be wrong

by srbaseball2003 on Jan 4, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

ya

he was designated for assignment back in early december

by srbaseball2003 on Jan 4, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

But it is his first DFA, he wasn’t picked up by another club, and he is not yet a minor league free agent. So he’ll be rehabbing back in the Cleveland system.

by APV on Jan 4, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever happened to Thomas Neal ? Im sure he must be getting up there, i realize he must have been hurt last year, but does he still project well or is pretty much a bust at this point ?

by Brando159 on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

I like the list John and I agree with your analysis of the system. My own rankings differ a bit from yours (I have McCallister, Aguilar and Soto quite a bit higher), but I wonder what your take on Michael Goodnight is.You haven’t mentioned him anywhere.

by JP_Frost on Jan 4, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

goodnight

I actually like him some. Has some command issues to work through. If I end up having room I could put him in, but given that I’m looking to cut I don’t think I can add more

by John Sickels on Jan 4, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Like the list as well

Like JP, I think this is a real good list. My only rating differences are B- grades given to Barnes and Aguilar. First time both have been this high for me and I wonder if they sustain it. Watched a lot of Aguilar in the AFL and less concerned about plate discipline and pitch recognition than you. He also seems to have good athleticism at 1B so I expect defensive improvement. Barnes and Sisco are switched because of the change. Other than that, it is just deciding where to put the 20-30 C+ grades which is a crapshoot with the lack of experience in the system IMO.

by sdtribefan on Jan 4, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff John

Interesting system. I think that you have Jake Sisco a few spots too high at #4 (although I agree with the C+ grade).

I’m not sure how you justify a solid B- grade for Dillon Howard in light of only grading Kyle Crick of the Giants out at a C+. They seem to be very similar pitchers with simialar upsides and Howard is 5 months older than Crick. In addition, I worry a lot about the mileage on Howard’s arm. The kid has been throwing mid-90s since he was a freshman in HS and has thrown a ton of innings in a high-stress environment since then. Taking poor mehanics out of the equation, if there was any HS pitcher in the 2011 draft that screamed “future arm problems” it was Howard.

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by Fla-Giant on Jan 4, 2012 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

B-/C+

Well to the best of my knowledge Howard has better current command and better current secondary pitches than Crick. Grading these guys right out of high school is always a guessing game, especially the ones who 1) are very promising but 2) are short of the super-elite types like Bundy or Archie Bradley and 3) signed too late to pitch well.

by John Sickels on Jan 4, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Although I think a strong argument can be made that Howard has already reached his full physical maturity and that we’ve likely seen close to the best of his stuff, whereas Crick has only been a pitcher full time since the summer of 2010, has a much fresher arm, and is much more likely to have another level or 2 of improvement still ahead of him. In addition, since the Giants chose Crick at #49 when they could have had Howard, I would tend to defer to Dick Tidrow’s judgment on which of the 2 similar pitchers he prefers.

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by Fla-Giant on Jan 4, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

well

Well you are coming at it from the perspective of a Giants fan who likes Tidrow.

Now, actually I like TIdrow too. But if I started trying to analyze players by who drafted them I would quickly drive myself insane.

As i’ve said before, no grades are final until the book goes to press, which won’t be for at least a week. Once all the teams are written up, I go back and every player who had a “borderline” status is reviewed. This is where I start getting into comparisons like “I gave player X a C+ and player Y a B-, but i actually like X better, so i need to raise X or drop Y a notch.”

by John Sickels on Jan 4, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I appreciate your point and I’m not trying to project an antagonistic mood with my comments. The difference between a C+ and a B- at this very early point in a HS pitcher’s career is really meaningless. As you note, if you start comparing the grade of a single player in one org to another single player’s in another org you would end up with infinite arguments.

As a hypothetical question, for a generic HS pitching prospect do you ever get into trying to project their probability of sustaining an arm injury when you do your ratings? Do your scouting contacts ever bring up that type of info?

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by Fla-Giant on Jan 4, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, kind of a copout answer but also the truth: it depends. Some players I have better info about than others.

Some things I look at that, in theory, help assess a pitcher’s risk:

How athletic are they? I tend to have a liking for guys who played other positions too, or who thrived in other sports.
How well do they repeat their delivery? It isn’t necessary to have “perfect” mechanics in my view, if they repeat it consistently.
How much effort does it take them to generate their peak velocity? Easy heat is better than high-effort heat.
What was their workload like?

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by John Sickels on Jan 4, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm very interested

to see what The Giants can get out of Crick. I don’t really have an issue with the grades for both as Howard’s delivery is much more controlled and easy (and he repeats it well) than Crick’s at the moment, which was athletic but had a fair amount of effort and featured a stiff front leg in high school. I’m also not sure it makes sense to emphasize the injury risk of Howard’s experience rather than the benefits it provides. We all love the raw guys with the high ceilings, but I think we sometimes get so caught up in them that we neglect the guys who have already shown us something. I like both guys, but I agree with John that Howard is a bit more polished, and I think it’s reasonable to give him a slight edge. You could make a good case either way, depending on your preferences.

by charles wallace on Jan 4, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Sisco vs Howard

Would Sisco be rated higher than Howard if you swapped their physiques and everything else were the same? (serious question)

Most arguments are really about context.

by SheaWasBettor21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Knapp

Is there any chance for him to ever get healthy enough? His stuff is electric

by Nikk.m on Jan 4, 2012 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

I hope so. He has the chance to be the top prospect next year if he stays healthy.

by JP_Frost on Jan 4, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i still believe in that arm

Is he gonna be all systems go to start year? HighA?

by St.Steve on Jan 5, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hagadone

At this point…I think Hagadone might be the best prospect in the system.

Before everyone yells “FOUL” simultaneously…I do grade much more heavily on actual results than on “ceiling”…but consider this for a moment.

Hagadone is a lefty…he has the pedigree…he did okay in his late season tryout last year. This is the guy that throughout his career, has never had a K/PA under 20%.

He doesn’t have the stuff right now to be a viable starter, and it would take at least a half a season to stretch him into that kind’ve role. He’d be valuable there as a lefty, but I don’t think that’s what the Indians are going to do.

I have a “sneaking suspicion” that he’ll start the year as a set-up man for Chris Perez as well as a 6th/7th inning guy against lefties. But…don’t rule out the long term plans for him to be the Indians closer. Perez throws harder…but had a K/PA of 15% last year and isn’t as good as hagadone at keeping the ball on the ground. Factor in that Perez is nearing the end of his contract…???

I can’t go out on a complete limb and say that he WILL be the closer…those are tough predictions to make…I was right about Walden…wrong about Bard…it’s a 50/50 game. But I do NOT think Hagadone is just simple relief pitching bullpen fodder…at worst he’s Matt Thornton/Scot Shields/Pat Neshek…a 7th inning guy who also might get called upon for situational lefties. But at best…he could be an above average closer.

by Aslan on Jan 4, 2012 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

But….he’s a reliever. He would pretty much have to be a closer and none of the other guys on the list turn into above average regulars to make him more valuable.

by APV on Jan 4, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s also already 26-years old.

by JP_Frost on Jan 4, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

True. Just 9 months younger than Justin Masterson.

by APV on Jan 4, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

Pestano did pretty well as the set-up man last year, so there really isn’t a vacancy. And he would probably get first go at closing if Perez loses the job.

by A Behemoth on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Pestano

Pastano is a stumbling block because there’s talk that he would in fact be in the running for Perez’s job along with Hagadone. I just am not sure if Pestano is as good as he showed last year.

by Aslan on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Would go with Francisco Lindor at 1

You could definitely make a case for Nick Hagadone at 2 in my opinion though. To me, he was probably always going to be a reliever (which he was – & a good one – at Washington) but that’s not a slight as his ratio gains & successes this year help me think he could be a pretty good short reliever as you seem to. He throws very, very hard from the left side & I think his second offering (slider? ‘slurve’?) probably qualifies as a plus offering also. He could stand to firm up his command (not unlike a lot of hard thowing lefties) but I would agree that his upside is far from ‘bully fodder’.

by Matt0330 on Jan 5, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Scott Barnes

Has to be on the 40 man pretty soon right? I was bummed when the Giants traded him. Glad he’s stuck around, hope he gets a chance this year.

by shankbone on Jan 4, 2012 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

admittedly NY-P is a long way from the majors,

but does the comment on Wolters suggest he’ll be better than Kipnis?

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by jbg2772 on Jan 4, 2012 8:22 PM EST reply actions  

Not a chance...

Kid may not have the slickest glove, but he’ll be one of the better hitting 2Bs in the MLB for a while.

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by Franchise887 on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I started to see Ronny Rodriguez

getting talked about early this summer and you can see why. He’s raw, but very athletic and he has surprising power potential. The swing needs a lot of work — gets out on the front foot too far and too quickly, collapses the back side when he forgets to stay upright, sucker for high heat — but the Indians have made a good deal of progress with him in the last year. If they can get him to stay back (and, bigger if, if he can show some pitch recognition) he has a chance to make enough contact to get to his power. His positional value is important too, and reports have been encouraging. I don’t think he’s quite the caliber prospect Jhonny Peralta was — Peralta had far better plate discipline at the same age despite strikeout issues for one — but there are some general similarities in terms of power, contact issues and valuable defensive potential.

by charles wallace on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

He had a bad 2011, but he’d probably fall into the “potential contributor” category anyway

by APV on Jan 6, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

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