Community Positional Prospect #43
by BigG'S on Jan 3, 2012 4:57 PM EST
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With 36.4% of the open vote, Kolten Wong is elected Positional Prospect #42.
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RESULTS:
Kolten Wong: 36.4%
Andrelton Simmons: 27.3%
Oswaldo Arcia: 7.3%
Will Middlebrooks: 9.1%
Billy Hamilton: 3.6%
Tim Wheeler: 3.6%
Matt Dominguez: 3.6%
Marcell Ozuna: 1.8%
James Darnell: -0-%
Javier Baez: 1.8%
Robbie Grossman: 1.8% (write in)
Cory Spangenberg: 1.8% (write-in)
Trevor Story: 1.8% (write-in)
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CANDIDATES: Andrelton Simmons, Oswaldo Arcia, WIll Middlebrooks, Billy Hamilton, Tim Wheeler, Matt Dominguez, Cory Spangenberg, Mikie Mahtook, Joe Panik, Eddie Rosario
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IN ROTATION: Garin Cecchini (#41-1.8%), Matt Szczur (#41-1.8%), Brandon Jacobs (#41-1.8%), Mason Williams (#41-0%), Matt Davidson (#41-0%), Marcell Ozuna (#42-1.8%), Javier Baez (#42-1.8%), Robbie Grossman (#42-1.8%), Trevor Story (#42-1.8%), James Darnell (#42-0%)
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TESTERS: Aaron Hicks, Vincent Catricala, Brandon Nimmo, Derek Norris, Zack Cox, Christian Bethancourt, Taylor Pastornicky, Matt Adams, Bryce Brentz, Blake Swihart, C.J. Cron, Wilmer Flores, Joe Benson, Levi Michael, Jacob Anderson, Jackie Bradley Jr, Brian Goodwin, Kaleb Cowart, Ronald Torreyes, Taylor Lindsay
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#01 - BRYCE HARPER - 59.2%
#02 - MIKE TROUT - 38.8% (In Poll #1)
#03 - JURICKSON PROFAR - 52.9%
#04 - MANNY MACHADO - 31.5% (55.1% In Runoff)
#05 - DEVIN MESORACO - 45.1%
#06 - WILL MYERS - 31.6% (51.4% In Runoff)
#07 - JESUS MONTERO - 61.3%
#08 - ANTHONY RENDON - 53.1%
#09 - TRAVIS D'ARNAUD - 46.6%
#10 - NOLAN ARENADO - 33.3%
#11 - MIGUEL SANO - 37.3%
#12 - YONDER ALONSO - 22.5% (45.3% In 3-Way Runoff)
#13 - FRANCISCO LINDOR - 26.1%
#14 - BUBBA STARLING - 33.8%
#15 - XANDER BOGAERTS - 25.0% (55.2% In 3-Way Runoff)
#16 - ANTHONY RIZZO - 27.8%
#17 - OSCAR TAVERAS - 40.3%
#18 - BRETT JACKSON - 20.3% (58.7% In Runoff)
#19 - YASMANI GRANDAL - 31.3%
#20 - JAKE MARISNICK - 27.3%
#21 - HAK-JU LEE - 28.0%
#22 - NICK FRANKLIN - 24.3%
#23 - CHESLOR CUTHBERT - 30.3%
#24 - CHRISTIAN YELICH - 27.1%
#25 - JONATHAN SINGLETON - 21.9% (53.8% In Runoff)
#26 - MIKE OLT - 21.5% (67.7% In Runoff)
#27 - ANTHONY GOSE -22.7% (70.5% In Runoff)
#28 - GEORGE SPRINGER - 23.6% (59.6% In Runoff)
#29 - JOSH BELL - 27.1%
#30 - MICHAEL CHOICE - 17.4% (63.2% In Runoff)
#31 - GARY SANCHEZ - 24.6%
#32 - RYAN LAVARNWAY - 24.7%
#33 - GARY BROWN - 26.7%
#34 - LEONYS MARTIN - 20.3% (63.0% In Runoff)
#35 - NICK CASTELLANOS - 24.6% (58.5% In Runoff)
#36 - WILIN ROSARIO - 20.0% (51.7% In Runoff)
#37 - STARLING MARTE - 30.6%
#38 - JEAN SEGURA - 18.5% (52.2% In Runoff)
#39 - RYMER LIRIANO - 29.5%
#40 - JONATHAN SCHOOP - 27.3%
#41 - JEDD GYORKO - 22.8% (62.5% In Runoff)
#42 - KOLTEN WONG - 36.4%
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jan 3, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
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it is close between he and, Simmons for me.
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by Calvn n Hobbs on Jan 4, 2012 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
Call me crazy
But at this point, with Simmons and Dominguez (imho) the best of the established minor-leaguers, I prefer a number of the recent draftees. It’s a roll of the dice, but the quality of established prospects at this point is remarkably poor.
A tentative next 5:
Brandon Nimmo
Corey Spangenberg
Jacob Anderson (good tools, good results in sss, good reports)
Matt Dominguez
Dante Bichette, Jr.
You are crazy! :)
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
What exactly is poor about Simmons?
Already plays plus defense at SS, with the tools to develop into a GG caliber defender, and he just won the batting title in the Carolina League by over 20 points in his first full professional season. No, he may not walk much or project to hit for much power, but he doesn’t have to to be a 3-4 WAR player (.280/.330/.370 would get him at least there).
Then again, he might
He hit a lot of doubles. I was really, really close to voting for him here. he could turn out to be really good. You made a good case for him yourslef. The biggest reason I diodn’t switch my vote is that It looked like Simmond didn’t need it to get on.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
Simmons
He was 21 at High-A, which is perfectly respectable, but hardly a positive. He doesn’t hit for much power or draw many walks. Tim Beckham and Adeiny Hechavarria are close on behind him, imho as both are closer to the Majors, and Beckham more likely to hit productively at the ML, and Hech with better power potential (and equal or superior defensive value). Simmons is ahead of them, but it certainly looks to me to be pretty close.
My point, however, wasn’t to trash Simmons, but to suggest that taking a chance on a 2011 draftee at this point is a better option than the Billy Hamiltons and Matt Dominguezes and Simmonses we already have a good handle on.
Beckham and Hech shouldn't be seen as that close
Beckham’s issue is that even in the best case scenario, he’s a slightly below average defensive SS. He has a lot of ground to make up with the bat, and he just hasn’t ever shown that sort of ability. Obviously he had ARL on his side, but he’s never even put up a wRC+ over 105. In addition, the strikeout problem is fairly worrisome for someone that doesn’t have that much power and doesn’t add defensive value.
As far as Hech, I simply don’t see it. He looks like he has almost no chance to be a productive hitter. Even if you think he can walk at a similar rate to Simmons and hit for a little more power (which I don’t see, the guy has never shown any power outside a SSS in one of the most hitter friendly parks in the PCL), there is still the issue of him striking out over twice as often as Simmons. Seriously, we’re talking about a guy that put up a 63 wRC+ in over 100 games in AA this year.
As for being 21 in high-A, you have to also take experience into account. We’re talking about a guy who played juco ball and then 62 games of rookie ball. It was very impressive that he was able to immediately make the adjustment to high A. You can’t treat him the same as a 21 year old who has spent a few years in the minors and already went through high-A. Not that many guys start out much higher than high-A in their first full professional season.
With Simmons getting elected my vote is free again, so make a case for your guy
Let me know why I should vote for your favorite prospect. Casejud made a pretty compelling case for Dominguez, so he’s probably the leader in the clubhouse for me at this point, but I’m going to hold off voting in the next poll until I get a better feel for the top remaining guys
Middlebrooks
Similar defensive upside to Dominguez, but he actually has the offensive upside to stick. Dominguez’s lack of any semblence of offense will doom him as a prospect imo.
by jaroche6 on Jan 4, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does he?
The offensive upside to stick: .770 OPS in 1606 PA’s and, 23 years old and, topped out at AA ball besides stinking it up far worse than Dominguez in a brief trial at AAA.
Lack of any semblance of offense: .744 in 1956 PA’s and, 22 years old, topped out in AAA ball.
I don’t see how those statements make a lot of sense. You could say Middlebrooks is slightly better but, I think the year of development could be a big deal. Middlebrooks hit well at AA at age 22. Thats good. Dominguez held his own at AAA at the age of 21. I think you need to look at the context of thier hitting nunmbers but, even if you don’t, Dominguiez is just as good.
Also, on defense, Middlebrooks may be great but Dominguez makes less errors, starts a lot more double plays and, gets to more balls.
"Does it make your life easier to just throw a quick, racist term at somebody? A man who has seen the things I’ve seen… experienced the loss and pain that I’ve experienced… I transcend race, hombre." - Kenny Powers
Middlebrooks MiLB wRC+ is about 115
Dominguez MiLB wRC+ is about 100
So over his minor league career, Dominguez has been about average offensively. Middlebrooks has been 15% better than average. Now, I will give you Dominguez has been pushed more aggressively, and probably is a bit better defensively, but I don’t think that can overcome the offensive differences.
I give Dominguez a peak ceiling of Clete Boyer (1962) and Middlebrooks a peak ceiling of Tim Wallach (1985). Both are great peaks, but I like Middlebrooks a bit more. Now, I am not a huge fan of either, but if I had to choose, I would go Middlebrooks.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 4, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
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