Martin Luther King Day
by John Sickels on Jan 16, 2012 1:20 PM EST
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Glad to see thank MLK is still being honored for what he did
We have come a long way, but we still have a long way to go
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"The arc of the moral universe of long, but it bends towards justice"
My favourite MLK line, and perhaps my favourite quote period.
I love MLK
Personally I would like to see the US honour other African American leaders such as Malcolm X and recognize their contributions to the civil rights movement.
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by King Billy Royal on Jan 16, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions
That is actually scary
His biography should be mandatory reading in schools.
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by King Billy Royal on Jan 16, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
+1
The sad part is before Malcolm X was killed, he and MLK were starting to become much more similar in thought and action. Had both survived, or had MX survived just a few years more, it is astounding what they could have accomplished together.
by cookiedabookie on Jan 17, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Big difference
Dr. King, like Gandhi, sought to bring about justice and change though peaceful though provocotive ways. He did not seek to punish the oppressor but rather to turn his heart through the courage of his resistance.
X on the other hand sought to bring about justice “by any means necessary”.
true although didn't X change his mind about that later in his life?
by John Sickels on Jan 17, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I am not expert on X
so feel free to correct me. But even after he left the Nation of Islam, the closest he came to acknowledging Dr. King’s work was: “I want Dr. King to know that I didn’t come to Selma to make his job difficult. I really did come thinking I could make it easier. If the white people realize what the alternative is, perhaps they will be more willing to hear Dr.King.”
Very different tactics.
Well I don't see how X's Selma statement was a threat
X was making a valid observation.
by John Sickels on Jan 17, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Don't see how it wasn't a threat
If Dr. King represented Gandhi’s nonviolence, what was the alternative?
X was making a point
That the white community in the United States still had a window of opportunity for peaceful change, and that if they did not take that opportunity but continued to oppress people, violent change would/could eventually happen.
That does not mean he was, at that point in his life, ENDORSING violent change. In fact he decided that peaceful change was the way to go. BUT he was exactly right that if things had not been done peacefully, that eventually change would come anyway, on violent terms.
Personally, I’m about one step short of being a pacifist, and I think he was right with his observation.
by John Sickels on Jan 17, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
The summer of 1964
saw race riots of unprecendented scale. I don’t see his point.
1964
You can’t understand the race riots of 1964 without looking at the context of 100+ years of political disenfranchisement, state-sponsored terrorism, and murder against the African American population.
There were race riots way before 1964, usually white mobs murdering blacks.
by John Sickels on Jan 17, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Not arguing that point
I am just saying it seems that X condoned violence in a way that MLK would have abhored. I will yield the last word to you on this. Thanks for the discussion and the video at the top.
DId you ever consider without having Malcolm X, the white leaders would have ignored MLK?
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by King Billy Royal on Jan 18, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
One can observe that something could happen without wanting it to
by John Sickels on Jan 17, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Still sounds like a threat
to remind white America that a lack of change would bring about violence especially given his past.
I would like to be wrong about X. Can you show me where he worked against the widespread violence of the Watts riots, the Harlem riots, the Rodchester riots, and all the rest? It was my impression that at best X condoned the violence and used it as a card to force change.
Exactly
This is why people should have to read his book. His whole thought process changed over time.
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by King Billy Royal on Jan 17, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
There is this rumor going around that MLK...
would roll up all the windows and lock them and fart in the car with the heat up while his family suffered… and he would laugh.- Sarah Silverman
But seriously he is one of the greats.
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King: Montgomery to Memphis is for me the definitive King DVD.
Man, I wish I could have seen that man speak in person
What a speaker he was, wow.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 16, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I got to hear MLK
I heard MLK speak at the American Baptist Convention when I was in 3rd grade and afterwards met MLK and got to shake his hand. It will always be one of the great memories of my life.
by mbushskbum on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Thanks!
To John Sickels for posting the MLK video and creating an intelligent conversation around the legacy of Malcolm X. For those interested in the history of the Civil Rights Movement I strongly recommend the Taylor Branch trilogy – Parting the Waters; Pillar of Fire; and At Canaan’s Edge. Its unfortunate that our collective history did not provide Martin Luther King Jr with the opportunity to bring the kind of social transformation envisioned by the poor peoples campaign of 1968.
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