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Cleveland Indians Organization Discussion

I am now working on the San Francisco Giants prospect list. The next team in line is the Cleveland Indians, to be followed by the Chicago Cubs, Cincinnati Reds, and Oakland Athletics.

Use this thread to discuss Indians system, point out sleepers, etc. The big Ubaldo Jimenez trade lopped off the top part of the organization last year, at least with the elite pitching prospects. Jason Kipnis and Lonnie Chisenhall are no longer rookies. Do you see much star potential in the farm system? What would you be looking for in the 2012 draft?

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Matt Packer

As a UVA fan, there’s still a part of me that’s mildly surprised at how well Packer has performed as a starter in the minors. I certainly didn’t expect that, but with his velocity back to touching the low 90’s and his excellent command, he certainly looks like a guy that could make it as a soft-tossing end of the rotation type lefty. With all the moves, plus the solid year at AA and being 24 for much of the 2012 campaign, I’ve got to think that he’s a top 20, if not top 15 prospect for the Indians now.

by toonsterwu on Jan 1, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

Lindor

Distance to majors? Anyone?

by HeLeftYouBagEnd on Jan 1, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

uh ... a long time

I mean … even the best case scenario is what … 2015? And that’s a pretty positive development path for the kid.

by toonsterwu on Jan 1, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

that's probably the middle-ground for Lindor

I could see, best case, him come up in 2014 as AsCab will be a FA then. However, 2015 seems more realistic.

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Jan 2, 2012 4:07 AM EST up reply actions  

fair

i should’ve said that’s a positive scenario, not best case, but yeah, 2015 seems more realistic, and this assumes he develops well.

by toonsterwu on Jan 2, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The Indians have had some of the worst drafting over the past 10 years or so of almost any team I can think of, and it shows right now. That said, I still think that that they have a ton of B or C pitching, and a lot of hitting talent in the low minors. Some of the not so common names that I liked:

- Bryson Myles
- Luigi Rodriguez
- Ronny Rodriguez
- Adam Abraham
- Roberto Perez (I like his, though I know he might never make it. Walks all the time, A++ defense)
- Jesus Aguilar (ton of power!)

by OscarDog on Jan 1, 2012 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

Chisenhall, White ,Pomeranz, and Kipnis say otherwise…

And those are just the household names I can easily pull off the top of my head

"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl

by world dictator on Jan 4, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a reply to:

The Indians have had some of the worst drafting over the past 10 years or so of almost any team I can think of, and it shows right now.

"sometimes the internet is hard for me." - ClemsonGirl

by world dictator on Jan 4, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Sleepers

Yeah, really bad system. But here are some possible sleepers:

- Jesus Aguilar (mentioned above)
- Robel Garcia
- Paolo Espino

by rhd on Jan 1, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

Jesus Aguilar

that 46:126 BB:K ratio between A and A+ looks scary as hell. But, the above .20 ISO looks mighty nice.

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Jan 2, 2012 4:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I still think they have a nice core in Chun Chen, Lindor, Wolters, Felix Sterling, Hagadone. And if Levon Washington can get his stuff together I think he could be special.

If I was drafting for the Indians in 2012 I would be going after impacts bats.

by OscarDog on Jan 1, 2012 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

Elvis Araujo

Most interesting prospect in the system right now, in my opinion. He could be rated as high as #2 or the back end of the top 10 depending on how you feel about him. As a 6’6" (and I’m taking the over on his 215 lbs weight listing) lefty with mid-90s heat I can at least dream that he could become a #1-2 starter.

While they aren’t in the upper tier of systems I don’t think its in as bad of shape as some say. Lindor is young and far away but definitely deserved his draft position and nabbing Dillon Howard in the second round helps take away some of the sting of sending White and Pomeranz to Colorado. There aren’t too many high upside guys in the upper levels but Chun-Hsiu Chen looks like he can at least hit if not do a poor mans impression of Carlos Santana. In the lower levels there is definitely hope that guys like Jesus Aguilar, Dorssys Paulino, and Cody Anderson could take big steps forward. Tony Wolters has also proved himself as a legitimate prospect after what he did in the NYPL.

I’m skeptical about Washington translating his tools and most of the list will probably be filled out with guys who will be backend starters or bullpen arms so I mention that caveat before I get railroaded for praising these guys too much.

And Eric Berger deserves a C grade merely for his mustache.

by Zeke K on Jan 1, 2012 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

Berger does have an excellent mustache. Nice guy, too.

by OscarDog on Jan 2, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m skeptical of Chen turning into anything, but I agree with your overall assessment of the system. It is hard to say a system is bad when it produced major league debuts in 2011 for a group that includes Jason Kipnis, Lonnie Chisenhall, Cord Phelps, Drew Pomeranz, Alex White and several interesting relievers.

by APV on Jan 3, 2012 7:53 AM EST up reply actions  

The system definately has a lot of interesting prospects in the lower minors. Aside from the names mentioned, it could also look a lot better IF some of the injured guys return to health. Talents like Rondon, Knapp and Alexander Perez are quickly forgotten, but they could give the overall system a boost.

Here are some more guys to pay attention to:

- Felix Sterling (RHP)
- Jake Sisco (RHP)
- Eric Haase ©
- Michael Goodnight (RHP)

Combine those players with the ones who might have underperformed like:

- Levon Washington
- Kyle Blair
- TJ House

And you could have a very solid system a year from now. I’m also a big fan of Giovanny Soto, the return from Detroit for Jhonny Peralta.

As for the 2012 draft, I think it’s anyone’s guess how teams will operate within the new set of rules. Since the Tribe system has thinned out, it doesn’t really matter which way they decide to go. As an Indians fan, I’d like to see a big bat taken in the first round, but I wouldn’t mind a high upside arm either.

by JP_Frost on Jan 2, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Wolters is a solid player, played hurt the last third of the season

me and a good friend of mine chatted with him after a game in Auburn last summer, said he thought he broke his foot or severely bruised it but was going to play through it to help the team try to make the playoffs.

by Bravesin07 on Jan 2, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Jordan Smith

Take a look at this kid…he’s from my neck of the woods, so I’ve followed him pretty closely. He was a 9th rounder from last year out of a D-II school and had a nice debut year for Mahoning Valley.

by BenB on Jan 2, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

jordan

Minnesota guy. I looked at him, i track all players from the upper midwest closely.

good plate discipline with doubles power but I don’t know if I willhave room.

by John Sickels on Jan 2, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Beau Mills

got somewhat back on track last year, any hope for him to have a decent major league role/

by kyuss94 on Jan 3, 2012 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

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