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Tony Gose
3 for 4 (.253), double (20), homer (16), 2 rbi (59), sb (70), walk
Deck McGuire
back from the DL.
2 ip, 1 hit, no walks, 3 k’s.
Adeiny Hechavarria
2 for 4 (so far), triple (2), 11th AAA rbi
I think he was simply tired of the Eastern Lg.
I think this is more of what his bat really is, more or less it is not a mirage.
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 5, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd probably lean the other way as he ascends to MLB
That is to say that I don’t think his offensive contribution in MLB will ever be that marked. Adeiny Hechavarria responded well to a promotion last year & this seems similar (albeit more extreme).
If he can somehow turn into ‘Alcides Escobar Lite’ I’d be pretty pleased.
ahh crap I posted one of these for the day, we can use your's though that fine :)
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 5, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions
gotta say, no one's commented on
milf?
anyhow, Jay Jackson finished the year on a decent run. I still think it’s a borderline call as to whether or not the Cubs protect him in Rule 5. What do people think about the chances of him getting picked as an end of the rotation/pen type? Fastball’s still good, 91-93, breaking ball is inconsistent, as is change. Walk rate is solid, K rate has struggled since getting to AAA, but there’s still some rotation potential. I personally think he’s better off in the pen, ramping the fastball up to the mid-90’s and focusing on his slider.
as a side note
The Cubs have a load of guys that are rule 5 eligible that hold some intrigue, along with one guy that may get added on (Brett Jackson).
I’ve got three guys that I think the Cubs definitely have to add on – Matt Szczur (contract requires it), Dae-Eun Rhee, and Josh Vitters (much as I have my doubts on him becoming an impact bat, still have to protect him).
Then there’s 4-5 guys in a close 2nd tier, guys I would like to protect – Jeffry Antigua (finishing really strong, more of a “4” type profile, borderline “3”), Ryan Flaherty (versatile, with good power, could be a starter on a 2nd tier squad if he settled in at a position), Jeff Beliveau (lefty’s just been flat out dominant in AA), and Steve Clevenger (he’s more borderline, but above average defensive catcher with a solid hit tool). Junior Lake is a borderline 5th for me, although some think he has to be protected. In all honesty, I think the Cubs will protect him, and I understand the rationale, but I’m just not sold on
a) his bat
b) him sticking on a big league squad all year, barring injury.
My sleeper would be Marcus Hatley, who has late inning potential and the Cubs are rumored to be high on him, but it’s hard to imagine so many people being protected. I have Jay Jackson heading a group after that, and I’m a fan of Jay Jackson (not as much as before, but still think there’s some big league potential with that fastball).
I’m sure we’ll have a Rule 5 thread soon, but I was curious if folks had thoughts on Jay’s chances of getting plucked.
Lawrie walkoff HR today
Henderson Alvarez, 6 shutout innings vs Red Sox, shutout streak up to 14 innings.
Neither will turn 22 till next year.
Does any other team have a pair of 21 or unders in the majors to compare with these 2?
How about....
Teheran and Freeman for the Braves? (Freeman is 21 for a few more days). Also, Vizcaino and Delgado are 20 y/o.
by rhd on Sep 5, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Trout/Chatwood?
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by miketrout on Sep 5, 2011 8:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ehh
Trout and Lawrie, you can choose either of them, but Id rather have Alvarez than Chat
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by mathisrocks5 on Sep 5, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s htting .278 (which is an improvement over earlier in the year), but that OPS of .699 in lowA is giving me nightmares of juan pierre.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 6, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
From what I've heard he can
makes a lot of errors there now, but shows the skills with the glove to stick there. No idea about his arm, which was the big question regarding him in scouting reports before the year.
dude
juan pierre at SS with good defense is an incredibly valuable player
juan pierre in LF with a horrible arm is a nightmare
juan pierre at SS with good defense is an incredibly valuable player
dude, Hamilton’s not staying at SS. Didi Gregorious is the future SS of the Reds. Hamilton is destined for CF as Henry Rodriguez is the future 2B.
so, dude, keep thinking you’ll get that at SS.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 6, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
thats ridiculdump
dude if he sticks at SS, hes gonna be a valuable player
and yes didi grogorious and his .700 OPS with no steals is the future SS…
Gregorius
and Rodriguez show promise, but neither is a lock for anything. Rodriguez is more of a super utility profile, or I could see them giving him a shot at the 3B with Frazier and Francisco after Rolen’s gone. I certainly don’t see him blocking Hamilton’s path to 2B. And if Cozart comes back healthy, he could handle SS for the next few years. It’s unfortunate that we didn’t get a chance to see the league adjust to him before he went down, but we do know that the defense is good enough.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I've never been a big believer in Gregorious
I’m open to a wait and see approach with him, but nothing in his stat line has every impressed me.
lol
well seeing that Gregorius has 8 steals, plays better D than Hamilton, and has a much higher OPS than Hamilton (.791 vs. Hamilton’s .700( (plus is only 11 months older at a higher level), I’m calling you #@$%ing wrong.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 6, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
really????
you are really going to state the 200 PA and .791 OPS from the hitters CAL LEAGUE as your backup??? and forget to include the other 160 PA in a non hitters league where he OPSed 700….
NICE
You're arguing
with a constant purveyor of half-baked assertions, matthew. I’m waiting to see current reports on Hamilton’s arm, which has been the big question mark defensively the last year.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Either that or a know-it-all.
Thats what it seems like to me. Someone OPSing sub .800 in the CAL league is hardly a lock to be the future of most any position.
by Looney4baseball on Sep 6, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
neither is a guy OPSsing .700 at lowA
correct? as for a know-it-all, i know that anyone not adding anything to the thread should just sit on their hands and self medicate.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 7, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm, did I say either was OPSing .700 at low A?
Didn’t think so. I said he was sub .800 in the Cal league, which by the way is adding to the thread. I really don’t care what the other guy said when you’re constantly throwing out dickish responses.
by Looney4baseball on Sep 7, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
half-baked assertions
care to prove that, or are you just a douche who finds anything non agreeable “half-baked”?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 7, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
It's hard to find a thread
recently where you haven’t thrown something out that wasn’t legitimately questioned, often by multiple sources, and that’s just the baseball stuff. You’ve absolutely shown yourself to suffer from reading comprehension issues in other areas.
by blackoutyears on Sep 7, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking no further than this thread,
your projections for DiDi and Rodriguez are based on overly rosy ideas of what they have to offer. It’s on thing to question Hamilton’s progress, and another to make the leap to those two being future every day players for the Reds as if it’s a lock. Half-baked and too much sugar.
by blackoutyears on Sep 7, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
some of you are in love with speed.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 7, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
matthew
you’re an idiot, it seems.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 6, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
pot meets kettle, it seems.
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by doublestix on Sep 6, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Yeah, really.
There’s no reason to call people names in here, warranted or not.
by Looney4baseball on Sep 6, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait,
so he is an idiot but it’s not nice to call him one? lol
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
I don’t know if he’s an idiot or not, but it isn’t nice to call him one either way. :)
by Looney4baseball on Sep 6, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
It just read that way, which was pretty funny.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
conversations
you two should just get a room already.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 7, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
"anyone not adding anything to the thread should just sit on their hands and self medicate."
Word to the not so wise. lol
by blackoutyears on Sep 7, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry if it doesn't meet your standards.
I’ll try to be more of a dick next time. You seem to have it down.
by Looney4baseball on Sep 7, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying he's a dick?
There’s no reason to call people names in here, warranted or not.
I didn't call him a dick.
I said he had it down. But even if I did, he doesn’t have an issue with calling people names, so I don’t have issue calling him names if it comes to it. There’s 6 rec’s to the post above calling him out and I wasn’t one of them, so there’s quite a few people tired of his act.
by Looney4baseball on Sep 9, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And then he got radiation poision in Ottawa and now he's a giant dick
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by Jeff Reese on Sep 9, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Any player
who can maintain a starting gig in the majors for over a decade is anything but a nightmare.
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Alright, Hamilton!!
Starling Marte
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.332/.370/.500 giving him the EL batting title.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Sep 5, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions
Rich Poythress
2/3, HR
Really improved as the year went on
1st half- .224/304/.390 23BB, 51K
2nd half-.316/.396/.445 27BB, 31K
Sacrificed some of his power but I think the gains in plate discipline are worth it. Could really raise his stock next season if he can keep that second half BB/K ratio while bumping that iso up over .200
Wow
Had no idea his IsoP had dropped so low this year.
by blackoutyears on Sep 5, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty disasterous year for him overall
Maybe not on the Johermyn Chavez/James Jones level of disaster, but still very disappointing. The disappearance of his power is scary for a guy some claimed had the most power of any college bat in his draft.
His second half plate discipline keeps him on the radar, but just barely. Next season will be very big for Mr. Poythress.
by dnc on Sep 6, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't think it was disasterous at all
If the improvement in K rates continue on to next year I think he will be in great shape to have a good year. Improving power as guys get older is pretty much standard. Cutting K rate in half from one half of the season to the next is not.
Disasterous would have been if he slugged the crap out of the ball but struck out 150 times.
as guys get older
He’ll be 25 by next August. I don’t kow if I’d count on some power spike, and it’s not like his power was latent. As dnc points out, it was his carrying tool coming out of college. I’m rooting for him, but he has a lot to prove. Disastrous is a completely subjective term.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't need a power spike with the new and improved plate discipline
Maintain that K rate and turn 5 fly outs into hr’s and he is putting up a .300/.400/.500 line.
The odds of him hitting a few more hr’s is much greater than if he hit 30 hr’s this year and needed to cut his K rate in half.
Just to be clear, I don't think he is a good prospect at this point.
I just think that his odds of success are greater after this season than they were after last season’s HD fueled results.
He's a 1B
He’s going to need to hit for a lot more power than he showed this year. And while we’re accentuating hitting trends, his homers by month actually declined over the course of the year. And the walk rate is all over the place — April was actually the highest by far — so I’m not sure we can treat it as a linear trend. He also had a fairly pedestrian August after peaking in July. I’d feel a lot better about these supposed gains if he played any other position, even LF. One of the most cogent arguments you’ll see in this forum is that 1B simply has a higher bar. And magicking him a .900 OPS ignores not just the power question, but proposes a pretty unlikely .400 OBP. That’s a lot of optimism, and I wish I had something to sell you while you’re in such an expansive frame of mind. lol
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And to be clear
I just don’t see the gains you do this season, and don’t agree that power that wasn’t there this year is suddenly going to reappear, especially as he’s in a system whose major league park isn’t exactly a bandbox. I’d actually feel better if he hadn’t blown up the Cali. The ~115 point drop in IsoP is simply drastic.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sean Coyle
2 HR and 7 RBI in his final game
Finishes his first pro season hitting 247/362/464. Very interesting player
Brandon Jacobs of Lowell > Brandon Jacobs of NYG
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 5, 2011 8:42 PM EDT reply actions
Keyvius Sampson
With the TinCaps and West Michigan playing a season finale to determine which would advance to the playoffs, Keyvius Sampson came back to work a day earlier than his recent schedule would have called for (he’s been going every sixth day for a while). For just the third time this year, he went more than five innings.
6IP 1ER 5H 8K/3BB
Finishes the year with 143K in 118 innings. It will be interesting to see whether they push him next spring or send him out to Elsinore to start the year.
Zach Stewart
perfect through 7. Ball is getting hit hard right now, but right at guys. Finally getting to see him pitch and the stuff looks solid. Great movement on the FB and the slider has a nice sharp, late hook. Nice delivery. Makings of good MoR stuff.
And gone.
Valencia hit to RF on a pitch several inches off the plate outside.
by blackoutyears on Sep 5, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
He had some good defense behind him — Alexei’s play for the last out was phenomenal — but he deserves credit for throwing strikes. Really like the delivery. Looks like he could pitch for days.
by blackoutyears on Sep 5, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
also watched the game
entire game, most every pitch was down in the zone, at the knees. got a lot of 1st pitch strikes too. radar gun, if accurate, was consistent at 91-92 with a smattering of 93’s. agree, breaking ball was a movin’.
by McRatSandwich on Sep 6, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
...but what about the AA numbers!?!
Seriously though, the stuff has impressed me whenever I’ve seen Stewart pitch. I didn’t watch last night’s game, but I am happy to see the line.
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91-92 with a smattering of 93’s
That’s what I saw in the look-ins. The FB’s movement was as impressive as the slider’s in the innings I saw, and establishing the slider (and occasional curve) for strikes was big. Stewart said himself in the post-game that he just leaned on the two pitches and mixed in a curve or change here and there.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Morel
and Morel made 2-3 “Brooks Robinson-ish” plays at 3rd’base to keep the no-no going into the 8th..
by McRatSandwich on Sep 6, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Stewart
commented on that in the post-game, singling Morel out for recognition. Ramirez made the excellent game-ending play and a stab of Mauer’s line drive to end the sixth, so the left side of the INF did great work. I don’t get to see Ramirez very much. Is he always that slick?
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saw
that this is the first nine-inning CG win by a Sox rookie since Wilson Alvarez. I remember a time when it looked like CHW was set for years with a rotation core of Alex Fernandez, Jack McDowell and Alvarez.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember, this is basically a lousy AAA Twins lineup!
by Jersey Transplant on Sep 6, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not a great team,
but then how many complete game one-hitters are thrown in Triple-A? Ignoring context, his stuff was very good and the delivery is really sound. He’s not a dominant starter, and probably never will be. The way the ball was hit off him toward the end, he could have pitched the same game and given up two or three runs with some bad luck.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Henderson Alvarez
Nice again, and against the Red Sox. 6IP 4H 0R 1BB 4K. 25:6 K:BB in 36.2 IP, so the control has stood up well so far.
Never feared the control
rather the lack of variety on the pitches. Longterm, he still needs to develop a consistent breaking ball.
Well,
I’m always reserving expectations that a pitcher’s control will survive the jump from Double-A to the majors intact as his seems to have. That’s pretty impressive, especially as he’s not a big strikeout pitcher. Obviously he needs to refine a third pitch, but that’s an entirely separate concern imo.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
it's the command that needs work, not the control
and yes, the consistent breaking ball is the biggest issue
Familia
5IP 7H 3R 3ER 2BB 4K. His last five starts have been really solid, and are a great foundation to build on for next year.
Jesus Montero
Major league homers 1 and 2.
by blackoutyears on Sep 5, 2011 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Both oppo too
exciting stuff
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you said it man!
nobody f#cks with the Jesus.
Kidding aside, it was my first “hd” look at him and I got a chuckle at how stiff and unatheltic he looks. Nice power stroke, he has the Carlos Quentin bat toss down well after he connects whipping that bad boy. How he ran so upright and mechanic around the bases though was sort of funny. I’m not trying to rip on him, Yankee fans put down your tourches, I just don’t think he will be invited to “dancing with the stars” anytime soon.
Funny,
because I saw him score from 1B the other day in his debut and he ran better than expected and executed a very nice slide at home. Maybe he watched the Home Run Trots The Yankee Way video too many times?
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s funny how the chatter coming into the year was surrounding the weight that he lost, and he still looks sloppy. But whatever, the kid can rake.
Sloppy,
is not a word I’d used to describe Montero’s physique. You want a prospect who’s sloppy but can rake, I give you Yonder Alonso.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
that probably fits the bill a little better from what I’ve seen. David Wells was sloppy.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
good examples of productive-yet-"sloppy" players
John Kruk, Prince Fielder, Miguel Cabrera (at various times). Kevin Youkilis works for me too.
For a good minor league example, Matt Adams comes to mind. Montero, not so much. He’s just a big, strong, slow kid.
I really don’t think Montero is a useful catcher other than as a fill-in (his throwing skill is just a huge liability even in the land of huge liabilities), but at the same time he has clearly put in his share of work and effort, which should translate well to other positions. He’s on the wrong team for this, but given his age and obvious desire to be a quality performer at the highest level, I’d seriously entertain the thought of some other positions for him. Where else could you try him out? You can bury almost anybody in LF and Montero actually has an arm. 3B? Again, he’s got the arm, and his flexibility seems to have improved . . .is 40 defense at 3B or LF attainable for him?
haha, I love the overreactions of one game
He hit them off the O’s pitching in an extreme hitters park. Not that impressive in my eyes
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by all means let’s not be impressed by hitting two opposite field home runs against major league pitching. No one said he’s the new Babe Ruth. Enjoy the moment.
by blackoutyears on Sep 6, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
but you're on Jesus' Jock
like he’s the second coming.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 7, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, technically...
"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson
Is this addressed to me?
Let’s see. First post, Jesus Montero hits first two major league home runs. Completely non-evaluative factual statement. Subsequent discussions debating the use of the term sloppy re Montero’s physique (he’s pretty objectively not) and noting that he ran pretty well in the KC game. Yeah, I’ve really got him on a pedestal. No surprise that you’re as reality-challenged as usual. lol
by blackoutyears on Sep 7, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You could say the sky is blue
and “apox” would argue that you’re overly infatuated with oxygen…
Guy’s apparently not a fan of “blackout”
by Jersey Transplant on Sep 7, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Now oxygen? Cannot say enough good things about O2!
And I barely interact with apox, so I wouldn’t read too much into it. I haven’t seen him get along with much of anyone, but I can certainly respect the choice to not do so. I don’t really care what tone or style someone uses if their opinion is worth reading. You find plenty of bad faith reasoning from perfectly congenial sources, and bad faith reasoning is the enemy, not tone.
by blackoutyears on Sep 7, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he was mostly trying to make the Jesus/second coming joke
I wouldn’t take that one personally.
Matusz
1.1IP 5H 5R 5ER 2BB 3K and 1 HRA. Time to call it a year. Kid needs a long mental break.
Juan Oramas
7IP 6H 3R 2ER 0BB 9K and that’s with 2 HRA.
Neftali Soto
2 for 3 with his first Triple-A homer. More home runs (31) than walks (26).
Blake Tekotte
2 for 4 with homer #19. Capping a very solid year.
Marcell Ozuna
3 for 5, 2 R, 2 RBI. HR# 23 on the year.
That’s one hell of a second half for him… 310/371/585 in 258 ABs. Anyone know if there were specific changes in mechanics after the dreadful May/June slump?
by realitypolice on Sep 6, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
The mutton chops returned tonight in Toronto for the first time in 3yrs. Dustin McGowan welcome back.
he was good… really good despite what his line will tell you. Sitting 93-94, touching 95/96 with tons of sink, nasty slider and a solid change-up. Showed a curveball too.
SO EXCITED to have him back.
Good for him
What a tough story. I really thought he was destined to take off after 2007. What role do you see him in going forward?
by blackoutyears on Sep 7, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m honestly not sure. I do think he could start… Dustin said he wants to start because he can have a continuous routine which might be better for him. If not, he’s got the stuff to set-up/close.
Starting actually makes sense,
for the reason he stipulates. I wish him much luck.
by blackoutyears on Sep 7, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Domingo Santana
Finishes out his season 2/3, just a pair of singles. Ended strong overall with the Astros organization, for an overall season line between both organizations of .287/.362/.471 (.833 OPS).
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Dee Brown
Sure has been hitting well in September. 12 for 26 with four doubles. Still treats walks like a carcinogen, but he’s not getting the bat knocked out of his hands.
Bryan Petersen
also having a solid September. 8 for 22 and a 6:5 BB:K. Slashing .285/.377/.423 on the year. Should be locking up at least the 4th OF spot, and the Marlins should strongly be considering letting Cameron and his .650 OPS walk (if it’s an option) and letting Petey take a run at the CF job.
Mike Trout named BA PoY
Sorry, Team Goldschmidt. BA’s Lolita fetish showing again. lol
Great piece
about the area scout who sold Trout to LAA brass. Good insight as to how those guys work, and what input they have.
by blackoutyears on Sep 7, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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