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I was just merely pointing out that Brown reminds me of players similar to Pierre, or Mookie Wilson, or CoCo Crisp, or Michael Bourn, or Wily Taveras, or Willie McGee, or Mickey Rivers, or Bake McBride, etc., etc.,

Basically, guys who have good careers as rangy outfielders with good speed and contact skills, but who should never be relied upon for putting up double digit homers in a season….at least not consistently.

IMO, Brown just doesn’t have the ceiling of say a Hunter Pence, or Jacoby Ellsbury, or Curtis Granderson, or Chris Young, or Shane Victorino, or Steve Findley, or Devon White, or Cesar Cedeno, or Amos Otis, etc., etc.

What you saw in warmups is hardly an accurate indicator of his desire to get better. Nobody but the org sees most of the work he puts in, and the org clearly thinks he can improve enough to stick at third, because it’s moving everybody else off the position to get him there (moved Wheeler to 1B in playoffs for Davidson, moving Borch to LF).

You show me ANY evidence that you spoke to ANY scout who can say one nad word aout Altuve. I’m tired of that argument. For all you know, there are huindreds of scouts who love the kid.

I do not lookm at his major league numbers like you look at them at all. He showed a lot actually. He freaking reached the big l;eague for crisakes and, played well for the most part. He puts the bat on ball – will have plenty of power for a second baseman – can run, field, throw, and turn the double play – and walked at a decent enough clip in the minors for a .327 hitter.

Scouts do not exist to run down a kid with a strong, athletic, agile body who is young and has the ability of a kid like that. I’m going to buy any ofthat nonsense.

Colin Wyers has finally convinced me to abandon UZR.

Just having seen Altuve, the defensive tools are solid but unspectacular. I wasn’t ragging on him defensively – I just think he’s more of an average defender type. Steve Fiorindo was pretty positive on his defense when he saw him IIRC…

Is that you? You are really going to straight to the numbers? I was just going by what I had seen. I saw him turn a quick double play at the futures game and make a few other plays – looked at his basic numbers – and I saw a good second-basman.

Just FYI, I held my nose and looked on fangraphs and Altuve had approzimately the sanme UZR, per 150 games played, as Robinson Cano, Orlando Hudson, Neil Walker, Jemile Weeks, Maicer Iztruris – pretty good second baseman. He does have plenty of defensie value

I think you want me to stick up for you more than for him though :)

I think Altuve may be kind of a Howie Kendrick type, and I know Howie had bad D metrics in the past. But he’s a good hitter, has some pop, pretty solid D. Not a real superstar, but pretty solid across the board.

He looked fine in the looks I saw. And I think the thought is that a guy with his make-up, and especially his speed, he will be a plus defender. He doesn’t have a great arm, but he got rid of the ball quickly and was pretty accurate. . . And I agree on the power thing, but I believe some have projected 15-20 HR’s down the road.

RE: altuve/kendrick : I think Altuve can be what Howie has been. I still think Howie can boost his game up, it seems he goes through spurts where he is more discipline at the plate, and that was when he had more over the fence power. His first few years have been slightly disappointing though, as I thought he’d be better.

But the suggestion was Jaun Pierre, which is 1 homer a year.
Home run power isn’t one of Brown’s best skills, as you say. But I think he reasonably profiles as a guy who could hit 7 to 12 homers a year perhaps.

A difference of 6 to 11 homers might not sound huge but, its sizable.

How many doubles worth of value would that be? 25-30 a year? Its all hypothetical of course (Browns power, not Pierre’s) but it has meaning when comparing the two guys.

I would like to see him given a chance at 2b. I like the bat, seemingly more than most here.

I mainly go to the Southern Section. Inland Empire, Rancho Cucamonga, Lake Elsinore, High Desert. Still haven’t been to Lancaster though. Did make it up to San Jose and Bakersfield this year though.