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Strasburg is in AA tonight and hasn't let a runner on base yet in 5 innings...
edit: I stand corrected, he hit a batter
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Kolten Wong
keeps mashing. HR so far tonight. His last two weeks have been fantastic!
Strasburg 6IP,1H,0ER,0BB,4K
I think he’s ready.
Sleep, those little slices of death. Oh how I loathe them.
Brett Lawrie
with a 3-5, HR, double, stolen base night. His HR was a go ahead 2 run shot in the 8th which was the game winner.
Through his first 26 games, lawrie is hitting .340/..392/.713/1.105, 7 HR, 6 2B, 4 3B and a 7/21 BB/K.
He looks like a tremendous hitter with solid plate discipline. I know the walks aren’t ultra high but he works the counts so well and gets into great hitting counts. His defense has also been quite excellent IMO
I remember in the offseason when jackyz was doing those crystal balls, he made one for Brett Lawrie
He projected him with around 25-30 homeruns a year in his peak, and everybody called him out for it. He must have deleted it because I can’t find it here, which is a shame because he was actually correct after all
I wish I had seen that
I’d love to know who called him out for that projection on a 20-21 year old player with a consensus plus-if-not-better power grade.
The kid was having fun...
I don’t remember commenting…. But, most of his projections were that each prospect was making the Hall of Fame (most, not all)
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He had a sock puppet account and was busted for reccing his own work, then explaining that he only did it because he thought it would make everyone think the work was more popular.
So naive and guileless that he was possibly the only charming sock puppet ever. In fact, I kind of wish they were still around…
Eagerly waiting to hear the Cox to Wong to Pujols double play call.
Neil Ramirez
4.2 IP | 3 H | 1 ER | 2 BB | 7 K
79 pitches, 58 strikes (73.4%) , 19 swinging strikes (24.1%)
>mfw
What's the word
on why he was demoted from Frisco? The ERA seems extremely unlucky, and he wasn’t nearly as bad as surface numbers might indicate. Regardless, looks like he’s poised for another run at it next year. He pretty much destroyed High-A comp this year.
by blackoutyears on Sep 2, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Vincent Catricala
2-2, 2B, 2 BB, SB
Would be nice if he had 2 SB for symmetry issues…Continues to destroy Double-A pitching
He's gonna most likely be in Tacoma for the full season next year.
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by Marinerfanjake on Sep 1, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He's gotta enter next year as a top 10 bat in the minor leagues.
Lack of position hurts prospect status though.
highest wOBA in the southern league and 6 highest during his time in the Cal league.(min 200 PA). Also cut down on his K’s this year compared to last and he has 17sb on 21 attempts.
Might be the best rh bat in the organization at the moment and being a doubles guy I think he will play well at Safeco. I’d be shocked if he gets traded but this front office shocks as much as any.
Cubs (so far)
Cashner: 1 shutout, 1 K.
Jae-Hoon Ha: 2/3.
Josh Vitters: 1/3, 1 2B.
Jeffry Antigua: 6.1 ip, 4 h (1 solo hr), 1 bb, 3 R (1 unearned), 8 K’s. - Going to be very interesting how Antigua’s stuff plays up against AA batters next year.
Matt Szczur: 2/2, left game for some reason.
Starling Peralta: 5 ip, 3 h. 3 bb, 1 WP, 1 HBP, 3/2 GO/FO, 7 K’s. Back to back strong outings from Peralta. Youngster with electric stuff projects to add velo and leads a crop of young international arms in the lower levels that are all fairly intriguing, but raw.
Micah Gibbs: 1/3, 1 2B, 2 RBI, 1 K. Here’s a case where a little offense could go a long way for Micah.
Austin Reed: 5 ip, 1 h, 7 K’s, 5:2 GO/FO. I thought Austin was a bit overhyped off AZL work last year. He’s pretty much what I thought he would be, an intriguing young arm with a ton of work. One of his best outings of the year.
julio teheran
3 IP 6 H 6 R 6 ER 5 BB 1 K 1 Hr Allowed
88 pitches…
“must be tired”
Pirates having nice days
Starling Marte – 3-5, 2B, 2K
Zach Dodson – 5IP, 2H, 0ER, BB, 5K
Nick Kingham – 5IP, 1H, 0ER, 2BB, 3K
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Sep 1, 2011 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
Stetson
Allie – IP, 0H, 0BB, K
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Sep 1, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya
although, I don’t think he’s even learned to crawl yet. He’s figuring out how to roll over.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Sep 2, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Careful
You guys are two degrees away from a regrettable and untakebackable SIDS joke.
by blackoutyears on Sep 2, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
how
do you get SIDS jokes from
baby steps.
better still, how do you get it from
I don’t think he’s even learned to crawl yet. He’s figuring out how to roll over.
how on earth do you go from a child analogy to SIDS?
you inferred it, which is drastically different from us saying it. as a father myself, you just #$ing crossed the line with your asinine assertion.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 3, 2011 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a joke
Are you naturally this hysterical? Holy crap. lol
by blackoutyears on Sep 3, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
apox: the king of unintentional comedy
good for one good, unintended chuckle per thread. thank you for what you do.
chris archer 7 shutout 6 h 1 bb 6 k
by Dbullsfan on Sep 1, 2011 11:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
impressive
I’m still a big fan of his potential as a starter, despite the control issues. I don’t want to overstate it, but I feel like if he has passable control, he could make it as a starter as the stuff is that good. I have no idea how his change has looked this year, but I thought it was better than people said last year.
kyle gibson is having tommy john...
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Eww
that sucks.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Sep 2, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Nuts
Nolan Arenado: 2-4, R, 2B, HR, 3 RBI
Josh Rutledge: 2-3, 2 R, RBI
Edwar Cabrera: 5 IP, 4 H, R, BB, 9 SO
Alanna Rizzo is my dream girl.
by Cargo's Ball Sack5 on Sep 2, 2011 12:51 AM EDT reply actions
Nolan Arenado: 2-4, R, 2B, HR, 3 RBI
very nice.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 2, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember gettin ripped a bit for having Arenado in my top 40/50 before the season started
lol….guess my hunch was right after all
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 3, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
huh
he was in TONS of top-50s before the season started.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 3, 2011 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Tons of user-generated lists here? Because he didn’t make the top 50 list for the following:
Callis
Lingo
Manuel
Goldstein
Mayo
He made Sickels Top 50 hitters, checking in at #40 but I doubt he’d have made a top 50 combined list to start the year if John did it that way.
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by gatling on Sep 3, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I should add
I don’t consider Mayo in the same company as the other names listed, but I checked his list in case he was an outlier.
I was probably one that “ripped” SHS over the Arenado ranking, it was much too high for my tastes and even now I don’t see Arenado as a Top 50 guy. He’s moved into my top 100 for sure, but he’s more in the 60-80 range for me.
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curious to hear what your concerns are about him
I’ve generally been higher on Arenado than consensus, but I’m not sure what there isn’t to like about him at this point.
just to clarify
You don’t really sound “down” on Arenado, I’m just wondering what the chinks in the armor are in your eyes.
I don't see him as more than
an above average bat at best at 3B. Last year he killed at home in a hitter friendly park in Asheville and wasn’t good outside of there. I know the reports on his defense have improved, but I’ve seen too many cases where a guy’s D gets good marks one year and returns to form the next. Because of that I can’t help but think there is still a 50% chance he ends up at 1B, and the bat is average at best there I feel.
He’s young for the level, but he doesn’t have a projectable frame so he doesn’t get too many points from me on the age side of the argument. He’s improved his walk rate this year, but how much of that is true improvement and how much is a Cal League effect is hard to say. He was a polished hitter when drafted, so his good but not great stats in A ball don’t wow me too much.
He’s made a fairly substantial jump in my rankings, from somewhere around 150 or so to the 60-80 range I quoted earlier. I just don’t see him higher than that though. As far as 3B go, he’s behind Mike Olt, Will Middlebrooks, Chelsor Cuthbert(somewhat similar players I think, just a gut feeling here), and Nick Castellanos(love the potential there). Additionally, depending on the reports on Vincent Catricala in the offseason he might rank ahead of Arenado too. Middlebrooks I feel confident in saying he’s a top 50, Olt probably too. Cuthbert would be close as would Castellanos but they aren’t sure things to rank much higher than Arenado when I sit down to make my list. (This also doesn’t include guys masquerading as 3B right now, like James Darnell, Jedd Gyorko, and Miguel Sano that would probably rank ahead of Arenado too)
So that’s the long answer I guess. Short answer is I see an average defender at best at 3B with a bat that is above average at best, on the higher side of things, an average hitter at 1B on the more middle of the road side of things.
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by gatling on Sep 3, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ok great post(s)
yeah i checked my list from October of 2010 …Arenado ranked 36th
Let me clarify Nobody really ‘ripped’ me either it was actually just good general discussion.
Sooo sorry about that.
This is a great post, in that in brings up the Home/Away splits and lack of a real power bat at 1B (if thats where he ends up) , however, is road/home splits improved this year substantialy..and not entirely in Asheville this year obviously. He’s a CAL leaguer.
Let me say this he’s a young 20 and has Awesome stats this year in A+ ball posting a nearly 1:1 BB/K ratio and an ISoD of .187 …not to mention even last years ISO was at .212 ….and he has a low BABIP this year of .292 he’s always been up over .300 ….he’ll be just turning 21 and likely in AA to begin next season… thats impressive no matter which way one spins it.
so therefore I can clearly state I love him as a top 20-25 bat prospect and top 50 overall… with that athleticsm, power and eye combo…sure he’s no David Wright, lacks his speed. I see you’re argument in that you question the ability to stay at 3B. If I thought it was 50-50 I would clearly not be as high on him.
Arenado looked AWSEOME to me in the futures game.
To give some examples, the top 100 list i’m working on (may post it in late Sept./October here) has Arenado at #26 overall behind only Cuthbert and Olt ahead of Castellanos (32) Sano (33) Catricala (40’s) and ways ahead of Middlebrooks. Gyorko i’d have at about 70. Those could change a bit as I gravitate towards working more and more on the list.
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 4, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick reply
before my football draft begins. The ISO last year was .212 overall, but there was a 70 point difference in his home/road ISO with the majority of it coming at home in hitter friendly Asheville. Yep, you are correct that his home/road splits flipped this year, but I can’t see how that is a positive thing. He’s in a hitters league but plays in one of the lesser hitters parks in the Cal, so better numbers on the road is to be expected actually. Again, there is a huge difference in the ISO in his splits, it’s over .200 in good hitting environments and in the .143 at home in Modesto. That leaves me questioning just how much power is here.
I think he could be similar to Michael Young as a hitter, so-so walk rates, solid K rates, and average or a tick above average power. I don’t see an elite bat for a 3B, much less so as a 1B.
On the other 3B’s you show rankings for, I’m curious why Middlebrooks is so low. Is it a fantasy based list where defense doesn’t really count? Big time power and above average to plus defense at 3B is an awfully good and valuable combo in my book.
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middlebrooks response
I see him more as middle of the road…in terms of his 3B status. Defensively…maybe a little bit better than just a gold glove candidate type of guy.
James Darnell and Middlebrooks for instance, i don’t view all that differently except for Middlebrook’s long-term chances at sticking at 3B vs. Darnell who’ll likely be in LF.
Even with his remarkable offensive season this year, he’s striking out a boat load and doesn’t take enough walks for me. While his ability to pick up XBH’s is impressive I don’t see it transalting to the Majors…even in Fenway as it has for him this year in Portland, even in Pawtuckett he hasn’t done much in SSS
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 6, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't say any of that made sense to me
The positional/defensive differences between Darnell and Middlebrooks are huge. Darnell would have to be 10 to 20 runs better with the bat to make up the difference there.
As for the XBH’s, Middlebrooks has improved his ISO 4 years in a row:
2008 – .114
2009 – .139
2010 – .163
2011 – .224
He’s always had the scouting reports to backup the power he’s shown this year, so it’s not like it’s fluky that it’s spiked this year. His approach leaves a lot to be desired, he’ll probably never walk much and the K rate isn’t good(though I don’t think 23.9% is “a boat load” of K’s). But the glove and 20+ HR power is a pretty good floor, with a good bit of upside beyond that.
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fair enough
I don’t expect him to have premium power, but I think it’ll be decent enough to go along with a strong batting average. He’s got a solid build and considering that he makes so much contact, I wouldn’t be shocked if he makes adjustments and exceeds my expectations as far as his power goes.
It’s not easy to assess Rockies hitting prospects because all of their affiliates play in hitter-friendly environments, but Arenado is about as well-rounded as they come as far as hitters go. He’s polished yes, but I don’t see a reason to count that against him. His success is a good thing, and there is certainly room for his game to grow from here. 50 percent chance of him being a 1B is a bit too high, IMO . . .he’s made gradual improvement since being drafted and considering his age, I think that’s good enough for the moment. Just because he has some polish as a hitter doesn’t mean we need to apply the same standards to his defense. He’s only 20.
I think Arenado is ahead of all the guys you listed. Maybe you could take Olt over him, but I have a lot more confidence that Arenado will hit at higher levels. I suppose you could also consider Middlebrooks, who has the most physical potential of those three, but also the best chance of doing absolutely nothing in the majors. I’m concerned that he might just top out as an AAA regular.
On a somewhat related note, I wanted to respond to your defensive projections with some thoughts and/or objections, I’d be interested to hear what you think on any/all of it. In order of interest to me:
-I like the raw potential of Castellanos’ bat (needs work to access power potential, but lots of projection), but defensive reports look very dismal. In my small look at him, I ended up agreeing with what I heard; I thought he looked clunky and stiff, and it’s not going to get better as he fills out his thin upper half. Screams future 1B, outside chance of COF.
-Gyorko isn’t all that bad at 3B, actually. He’s a little small for the position and he’s not especially agile, but he handles himself okay and his arm plays. Not a plus guy mind you, but I didn’t think he was “masquerading”.
-Darnell . . .I got nothing, you nailed it. I made my own concerns about that very clear last year, and it seems that the people whose opinions matter felt even more strongly.
-I thought concerns about Sano’s defense were easing somewhat? He’s obviously very raw and is going to need time in any case, of course.
I see where you're coming from
I don’t feel like I’m holding his polish against him, I’m just not surprised he’s been able to hit for a strong average in A ball because of it. I’m a big believer in the AA transition, so that should be very telling IMO. I completely agree about Rockies hitters and the favorable park issue, and it’s one reason I’m not ready to fully jump on the bandwagon here in regards to Arenado’s power. I understand why you and others are, I just respectfully disagree at this time. I’m fine with him proving me wrong though.
The level of confidence you have in Arenado makes it easy to understand why you’d prefer him over the rest of the 3B field. Compared to Olt and Middlebrooks, Arenado is easily the best bet to hit for average at the MLB level. For me though, he comes in last in both defense and power out of the three. Middlebrooks obviously has the worst plate discipline of the three, but he’s also the only one that has faced upper level pitching and he hit very well against it in AA this year. Olt has by far the best walk rate and could post the best OBP even if he hits 30+ points lower in average than Arenado does.
As for the rest of names:
-I agree on the potential of Castellanos bat, it’s what had him in my top 100 coming into the season. What he did in the MWL this year was pretty impressive, especially considering his dismal start to the year. The K’s are a worry for sure though, lending credence to those that thought he had a long swing and could struggle to hit for average.
On the defensive side of things, he sort of the polar opposite of Arenado. Coming into the year Castellanos got reports that while not glowing had him as able to stick at 3B, now reports are his defense isn’t up to snuff. As I mentioned in an earlier comment these huge changes in a year’s time aren’t always reliable. I’m not giving him any better chances than Arenado at sticking at 3B or anything, I just prefer the bat for Castellanos.
-I thought I had read a few times on here that Gyorko wasn’t much defensively at 3B, though I may have been confusing him with someone else.
-Yeah, Darnell just never really stood a chance of sticking at 3B for San Diego. Maybe another team would have tried a little longer with him, but with Headley entrenched at 3B there wasn’t any reason not to move him to the OF.
-Sano’s age and size are what worry me. A kid that’s 6’3" 240ish at age 18 could easily outgrow 3B in the next year or so. His bat plays anywhere on the field, so while I think the Twins leave him at 3B for as long as possible I ultimately see him ending up somewhere in the 1B/RF/DH area. Whether the move is made because he can’t handle it defensively, because he outgrows it or because his bat progresses much faster than the glove remains to be seen.
I notice you didn’t mention either Cuthbert or Catricala. Any insights on those two?
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hmm
I didn’t mention Cuthbert or Catricala because I don’t have a strong read on either. The people who would know haven’t spoken all that highly of Catricala’s defense though, and I’d think if it was thought to be passable he would have gotten a lot more publicity than he has. Cuthbert, no clue honestly. I don’t really see a reason to doubt him all that much, at least for the moment.
Castellanos and Arenado may have both gotten bad talk for their defense at times, but they’re very different players. Arenado is small and solidly built. Castellanos is tall with a wide but thin build. Castellanos has always been a decent bet to move off 3B . . .I think it’s a pretty safe bet now. One thing that I’m not quite sure about yet, although I bring it up here because Keith Law mentioned it in a chat, is that Castellanos’ arm is apparently now an issue as well. I’m a little more optimistic about his bat, but of course the defense may affect just how good that looks, too.
I think Gyorko is playable at third. He doesn’t really have much of an ideal profile for any position, as he is lacking in the physical strength that you’d associate with a 3B and the agility needed for middle infield. I don’t think the first of those should be counted against him though as long as he produces, and to his credit he has pretty good hands and enough arm.
Yeah, Catricala is a head scratcher
If he was at least average at 3B, he would seem like a very good bet going forward as he proved he wasn’t a High Desert mirage this with his play in AA. Can’t say I’ve seen much about him this year, but I haven’t been pretty busy this year and haven’t kept on top of things quite as much as normal.
I don’t believe I said anywhere that Arenado and Castellanos were similarly built, if it came across that way I apologize. Arenado seems like he’s built like a linebacker. We’ll see how what happens as they move up the ladder.
I went and checked and I think I confused the defensive abilities of Gyorko and Rincon when someone commented about Gyorko moving up to AA. He doesn’t profile as a prototypical bat at 3B, or at least what has long be considered the prototype there, but maybe something around .285/.350/.450?
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Catricala
I haven’t seen one review of the defense that I’d call positive, but that doesn’t mean he’s so poor he’d never get played there. Most of the pundits with scout contacts (Callis, Law) consistently maintain that the D is below average, and also, in Goldschmidtian fashion, say that scouts tell them that there are questions about the bat as well. I believe the dreaded phrase “bat speed” came up in Callis’s chat…
by blackoutyears on Sep 8, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Apox
I believe you mean top 50 hitters lists?
I didn’t happen to see him in anyone’s top 60, if i remember correctly.
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 4, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome back Jack Marder
His first two games back off the DL were quiet, this one, not so much. 3-3, 2B, HR, BB so far. Will hit third in the bottom of the 8th looking for a 3B for the cycle.
Joc pederson
Does anybody know anything about this kid? 2 -3 with a double today. Now batting a ridiculous .513 (20-39) in his last ten bringing his season triple slash to .363/.434/.581.
Walk rate above 10%, he doesn’t k too much and he’s got some speed with 21 sb’s already. What am I missing? Yes, it’s Ogden and the Pioneer league but he’s batting over .350 on the road and is only a month older than Kaleb Cowart in the same league. If Cowart is being touted as a potential top 100 player where does Pederson rank?
not sure, would love to hear more about him
As tarheels1 said, he was a good looking talent and a BA Top 200 guy, but he dropped in large part due to signability concerns over his USC scholarship. The Dodgers went overslot to get him in the 11th round. I’m thinking this is a player we’re going to hear a lot about when the league’s Top 20 comes out. Maybe one of the amateur junkies here can tell you more.
Man, for all the dysfunction around that team, if they had successfully landed Lee, Pederson, and Kevin Gausman(!!!) in last year’s draft, that would have been pretty dang awesome.
I think Joc Pederson is a Brett Jackson type. No standout tools, but five pretty decent ones. Could stick in CF.
Could stick in CF
This is the key for me. He’s played all over the OF at Ogden this year, seemingly in deference to James Baldwin, who’s also having a solid year while not showing nearly Pederson’s polish. Looks like Pederson started the year at Great Lakes before being sent to Ogden? I think it says a lot that LAD thought he could handle that assignment, and I’m a little surprised they didn’t give him another run at it this month after he showed he was too much for the PIO.
by blackoutyears on Sep 2, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Sean Gilmartin in the SAL is just unfair
5.2 IP
5 H
1 R
0 BB
8 K
1 HR
3GO-0FO
He’s just way too polished for this level.
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polished indeed, but
Still very impressive to see him perform at this level right out of college. He didn’t need very much adjustment time at all.
if, and this if has its own orbitting Dom DeLuise,
he could gain 2 mph on his fastball (ala Minor), he is a stud
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Sep 2, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but we shouldn't expect that to happen
He’s not projectable so him gaining velocity would be a surprise. I do like him as he is athletic with good command and an excellent change, but I don’t see much room for improvement.
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Marcell Ozuna – 2/3 (5th 3b), BB, 2 R
B. Jacobs: 1/4 with 17th HR, 3 RBI, BB, 2 R, SB (30th), 3 K. Something for everyone in there.
Jurickson Profar: 2/4, 2B, r, 2 SB
Domingo Santana- 2 for 4, 3 RBI, K
BA Vollmuth in his NY-P debut – 3/4, 2B, 2 R, 2 RBI, K (caught in one steal attempt too)
Trevor Story: 1/4, 2 R, BB in the Pioneer League (has been pretty impressive since signing fairly early)
Joe Benson
1 for 5 with a HR and a BB. No Ks.
He’s up to 16 HR now (46 XBH total) to go with that healthy .100 ISO discipline.
At age 23, he is still very intriguing. The obvious red flag is still the 1 K in every 4.3 plate appearances, but the .100 ISO D makes it a lesser red flag.
isn't hbp a repeatable skill?
thought I saw someone study that. If so, this shouldn’t impact how people view his IsoD, although it may mean his K-rate goes up as he advances.
by cookiedabookie on Sep 2, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It can be
And Benson actually has a consistent history of getting hit quite a bit (63 in his MiLB career) so probably a good bet to continue.
No one said it was
It will however help his OBP, which could make the strikeouts and subsequent lower batting average more acceptable.
Kid has talent
though I think it is also worth mentioning that he is repeating AA, which makes me not really sold as much otherwise on his season.

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