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Dalton Pompey
2 for 3, double (8), triple (2), 2 sb (19), 2 bb, k
And a triple in the suspended game
starting to look really interesting.
Adonys Cardona
4 ip, 4 hits, 2 er, 0 walks, 6 k’s
season #‘s: 1-3, 4.71 era, 28.2 ip, 28 hits, 15 er, 2 hr, 10 bb, 33 k’s, 1.79 GO/AO
only question left to ask is
B+ or A-? Leaning A-
Had him at B+ midseason
I’m not ready to slap an A- on him, but I tend to be stingy with my A grades.
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top 100 lists
where do you have him in your top 100’s?
I had him at 57
That list was made about a month and a half ago and included 2011 draftees.
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Look at Marisnick's BB/K since his AS break
He’s cut the K’s down a lot and his walk rate is up. Top 25 prospect for me and could be a star.
Top 25 including 2011 draftees?
That’s a bit aggressive. Is your name Keith Law?
Yup
He’s doing everything a 20 year old could do in the MWL which is tough to hit in.
Not sure I agree that Gose has made a leap
He’s been pretty much the same guy he’s always been.
His walk rate is good, SB% has improved, he is hitting for more power so he’s made good strides. Obviously the K’s aren’t that good but I think a lot of that has to do with the fact Jays have turned him loose a little bit to develop some more power and he is doing it.
Keep in mind he is just 20 so he’s very young for AA and that’s a tough place to hit. Marisnick and Gose are the same age and Marisnick is 2 levels lower than him.
He hasn’t made an outstanding leap or anything crazy like that but he’s improved a lot.
He might have made some minute improvements
but none of it jumps out. I guess I am arguing semantics, as “quite a leap” to me means some serious improvement. He is almost exactly the same player he was last year in Dunedin.
2010: .255/.357/.426, 25.9% K rate, 11.6% BB rate, .339 BABIP
2011: .260/.353/.409, 25.4% K rate, 11.0% BB rate, .343 BABIP
I guess he has made good strides in being more efficient as a base stealer, up to 77% from 64%.
you're right about that, but two things
1) He was a good prospect who deserved the recognition he’s getting this year, last year. Gose has been underrated for a long time now, it’s just a course correction. We’ll see how he ends up handling AAA next year, as I think that tends to be the real test for elite athletes getting by on their tools. AA tends to be a better test for guys who have gotten by more on skills than tools.
2) There is a VERY big difference between one statistical line in A ball and the same statline in AA. This gets missed sometimes, but if a player maintains his numbers going from one level to the next higher level the next year, that’s a reflection of skill growth.
I'm just not a fan of Gose
He’s a great guy to have pre-arb, but after that, not so much. A slightly better Carlos Gomez to me.
I'm not sure about that
There’s still a pretty large gap between what he is and what he can be down the line, but unlike a lot of players with a similar profile Gose has shown the makings of a very diverse skillset.
I never cared much for Gomez. He was tall and fast and not much else.
Marisnick for me
Projects for more power, controls the strike zone better.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 9, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
you have to remember that marisnick is in low-a, and gose is in double a. and they’re basically the same age.
who the better prospect is a really tough call — probably deserves a smack down.
I prefer Gose slightly
I have a thing for guys with ridiculous defense.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 9, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Toolsy CFers with excellent defense will always have a place in my heart.
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Some other early lines
Ryan Lavarnaway – 2/5, 2 HR (up to 15), 3 R, 3 RBI. Cooled lately, but this certainly helps.
Ryan Kalish: 2/4, 2B, R, BB
Destin Hood: 3-4, 2 HR (10, 11 on year). Having a nice campaign in the Carolina League.
Bryce Brentz— 1 for 4, 2B, R, RBI, BB
Derek Dietrich- 1/4, K
And Kalish is in Triple-A now, right?
I’m hoping he comes back strong. So far so good.
by blackoutyears on Aug 9, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
What a terrible break that injury was for Kalish though. Reddick has moved back ahead of him on the depth chart as a result.
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Reddick
Yeah, he’s benefited no doubt. I’m hoping Kalish can either regain the role or work himself into trade bait. I’ve been baffled by Reddick’s hitting 100 points better in the majors than in Triple-A (almost 200 point jump in BABIP!) so I’m waiting to see if he cools down. The power seems legit.
by blackoutyears on Aug 9, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Kalish has the problem of being trade bait
What might hurt him, though, is that the Red Sox probably aren’t trading him for any less than full value (and maybe value on top of that). He might just be stuck until something opens up on the team.
I don't perceive being trade bait as a problem,
more as an escape clause if the team gets married to Reddick. Ellsbury and Crawford aren’t going anywhere, and they’ve got Darnell McDonald to kick around as a 4th OF. Considering the issues with the rotation, Kalish could be a big part of a trade for a starter, or Reddick could. Either way, some sort of trade probably needs to occur.
by blackoutyears on Aug 10, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
my point is
They’ll probably want to make a trade, yes, but the Red Sox have historically over-valued their own players in trade negotiations. They haven’t under-sold on anybody, especially young players, so unless somebody is willing to give up a premium piece, Kalish has to hope for A) an injury B) Reddick crapping the bed C) somebody getting desperate for an unproven outfielder who lacks a true outfield position or D) an attractive long-term lease in Pawtucket.
And my point is,
a trade would not be a “problem” for him. You might have stated it better as “I don’t think Kalish has the luxury of being trade bait”. The verbiage doesn’t mesh with the thesis directly above.
by blackoutyears on Aug 10, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And as for "they haven't under-sold for anybody",
I seem to remember Epstein sending Arroyo to the Reds for Wily Mo Pena, which worked out fantastically. Yes, one trade, but as Theo’s reasoning at the time was that they had a surplus (in that case pitching) from which to deal, the circumstances are not dissimilar. I have no strong feeling on the possibility either way, but it’s pointless to try to and predict with your implied degree of certainty whether or not Kalish (or Reddick, or someone else) will be untradeable due to some paralysis on the part of the FO.
by blackoutyears on Aug 10, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not initially
It was sincerely confusing, which is odd coming from you.
by blackoutyears on Aug 11, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Hanley Ramirez was dealt for Josh Beckett
You don’t think that was a premium piece?
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At the very least they sold pretty low on Hanley
Though Lowell turning from contract dump into huge part of a WS winning team did a lot to make up for it
Maybe a little bit
But he was still VERY highly regarded (those that didn’t like him were generally the statistically minded), and Josh Beckett was a big fish.
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Hanley for Beckett
is one of the better prospect “dare” trades in recent memory. Both teams have clearly benefited. Lowell shouldn’t have been a surprise and I’m not sure why people seemed to take the 2005 season as a sign he was toast. I’m still blown away by the fact that the Yankees seemed to have little idea what they had in him. I wonder how many people even remember Ed Yarnall.
I forgot that Anibal went to FLA in that trade too. That helps even things up a bit.
by blackoutyears on Aug 11, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Would that not be 16 in AAA for Lavarnway?
And 30 for the season?
rain delay last night
started 1-1 with a HR last night before rain – so statistically that HR apparently carried over to today, and when the game resumed he decided to hit another for good measure
hopefully he doesn't walk as many this time out
Anybody know the velocity he was at in his previous two starts?
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 9, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw 95-96
Essentially what he was at UCLA
Arcia
3 for 4 2-2B HR
Might get another AB but probably done.
He is having some trouble
Controling the zone, but is only 20. I wonder if they push him to AA next season?
The power seems very legit and I heard he cracked a 480’ HR in Fort Myers.
saw it
absolute bomb to dead center, cleared the fence by a good 20 feet
looked pretty rough in RF, maybe just a tough night on a slippery outfield
I think he means 20 feet over it
rather than beyond. Otherwise, yeah, big park.
correct
it’s 405’ to center – and I did mean over the fence, not beyond. It hit the huge batters eye just beyond the fence, I’m approximating about 20’ above the outfield fence.
That wouldn't be anywhere close to a 480' shot then
Balls fall off much quicker than that at the end of their flight path
Which HR?
The homer that i heard about was his second of the year in Ft. Myer sso we could be talking about different HR’s
Here is a link to Twinkietown but i also saw it somewhere else, just can’t seem to locate it now.
http://www.twinkietown.com/2011/7/16/2277271/minor-league-report-july-16-2011
i was referring to last night
it wasn’t 480, but it was a bomb. was fun to watch
Understand now
Doubt he actually hit one 480’ (I’m dubious of any estimate now outside of hittrackeronline), but its possible.
i didn't say 480
my guess would be 440-450
considering the environment, was a mammoth shot
Well you responded to the post about the 480' shot saying "I saw it"
That’s why I got confused. I guess you meant the HR from the original post? If it “only” hit 20 feet above the wall it probably still wasn’t close to 450. People really underestimate how quickly balls are falling at the end of their flight.
Wow! Casey Crosby threw strikes today
6 IP
3 H
0 R
1 BB
8 K
7 GO – 1 FO
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by mathisrocks5 on Aug 9, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i still believe
maybe irrationally, but i still believe
"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson
I do too
The groundball/strikeout profile is a hard one to divorce yourself from. He could be really good if he learns how to throw strikes consistently, but his future is probably as a power lefty out of the bullpen if we’re being realistic.
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If Tyler Matzek can have a good night
Why not Casey Crosby too, lol.
by John Black on Aug 9, 2011 11:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd rather have Crosby at this point
Even when wild, he racks up ground balls.
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K's Singleton
5 K’s against 5 hitters.
Looking real sharp.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 9, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Jack Dat Martinez with another HR!!!!!
by John Black on Aug 9, 2011 10:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
on fire...
still waiting for altuve’s first HR
by gobruins12345 on Aug 9, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
altuve’s first HR
Keep waiting. It was a line drive swing the entire series against the Reds. An very effective line drive swing, but a line drive swing.
by blackoutyears on Aug 10, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I figured...
Power won’t develop until later down the line. But can’t complain about a .330 average
by gobruins12345 on Aug 10, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be happy
with what he’s doing. Expecting homers is greedy. lol
by blackoutyears on Aug 11, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Follows it up with a double
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by OremLK on Aug 9, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it will likely be his last start at A+
being promoted to AA.
I survived the 2004 & 2010 seasons.
Goldschmidt is AWESOME
Is he getting the call now?
Definitely seems like he’s overmatching A+ hitters.
"I’d love to walk in and hug everybody every day, but that’s not critical to us winning." The JeDi
He could probably help the Arizona bully tomorrow
Trevor Bauer can & should move quickly. I like the promotion idea if true.
Starter next year out of ST?
or down for service time reasons? I agree with you about him being able to help tomorrow out of the pen.
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I could definitely see him make the team out of spring
The Mike Leake path is one that Bauer could follow. We know the guy can pitch his ass off.
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Because he hasn't pitched since June?
They weren’t going to have him make his 2011 debut in the majors.
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Then why did you direct it at me?
I said he has a chance to follow the Mike Leake path which is making the rotation out of spring.
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Depends
He’s apparently getting moved up to AA, and he’s only expected to make 3-4 or so starts for the rest of the year. Unless he utterly dominate in those starts and does well in spring training I can’t see him starting in the majors. Even if that happens I’d still start him in AA. Can’t hurt, can it?
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 10, 2011 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is pretty cool
Glad to see him do well in Spokane.
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Mat Gamel
another hr, this one a three run shot, cant tell if he’s a aaaa bat or not
He'd make a good DH for the Mariners
I keep wondering when Z’s going to call up the old boss and bring him over
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 10, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
brett jackson
continuing his hot streak, 3-5 2 R, and of course a K
Taylor Lindsey
2-4, 2B
Maybe the hottest hitters in the minors.
Travis d'Arnaud
3 for 4, double (31), homer (16), rbi (59), k
SO excited about H.Alvarez and G.Richards MLB debuts tomorrow
If feels like the night before you can open up xmas gifts.
by John Black on Aug 9, 2011 11:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
plus fastball and plus changeup
Hopefully he pitches on the corners tomorrow.
by John Black on Aug 9, 2011 11:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
plus fastball/changeup combo can dominate the a's
look at what cecil did to us tonight.
"BA doesn't stand for Batting Average. It’s Brandon Allen, as in the percentage of a hitter’s worth compared to Brandon Allen. Ted Williams, at his best, was only 4/10th of the hitter Brandon Allen is today." - YonYonson
I cant wait to see Richards
I want to see how he handles himself pitching in Yankee Stadium
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by mathisrocks5 on Aug 9, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely a tough introduction.
to the bigs.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 10, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Bauer's final line for tonight
4 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 8 K’s
The K’s are beautiful, but I’m especially glad that he didn’t walk anyone. Two of those hits were a seeing eye chopper up the middle, and another was an infield hit. Great outing.
Also
announcer is saying that he’s expected to be promoted to AA after this start.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 9, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Kolten wong
6-8, with a HR.
That’s a nice day.
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surprise the hell out of me at first
but, hey, they need a catcher. Treanor isn’t medically cleared and Pena has family stuff to deal with. probably earlier than they wanted to call him up, but he’s gonna be up soon anyways, so the 40-man isn’t a big deal. i’m pretty excited to see how he does.
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youre missing quite the debate on RR...
do you think if he struggles (as is probably likely) this season that he still starts from day 1 next year?
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 10, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't miss anything on RR
but to the point. if he shows he’s clearly behind the eight ball, probably not. i don’t think they’d have a problem going with Pina and Pena/Treanor for another 2-3 months if it came to that. i think clearly calling up now was not the plan. but i guess we’ll see. i’m fairly excited to see how he looks.
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Who strikes out more?
Goldschmidt 1-5 R K
Trayvon 0-3 BB 2 Ks
Trayvon strikes out more than Nolan Ryan
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 10, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is this?
I heard his pitch recognition is pretty good and he handles breaking balls ok. Does he just not a good contact swing? His contact rate was one of the lowest. Can players like this succeed?
by gobruins12345 on Aug 10, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ramon Morla
Went 2-for-4 with two homers and a K. After a dreadful showing in the MWL, he’s somewhat righted the ship back in short-season ball.
Had a chance to drop in on a Yakima-Everett game as part of a trip to WA last week. He certainly looks the part at the plate and has a nice short swing path. Defensively, I was totally underwhelmed… his first step was very slow and his actions were choppy. It was hard to get a read on his arm because the field in Yakima is configured such that when the 3B throws, 1B has to look directly into the sun. The first play he had, he rifled a throw that the first baseman literally never saw and ultimately dove out of the way of… after that, he was too busy thinking about sunlight and angles to cut one loose.
Other quick observations from that game:
Jabari Blash is a TOOLSHED! He legged out a pair of triples. In each case it seemed like he took about four strides to get from second to third. Fun to watch him run. His timing mechanism at the plate is a little early and I didn’t see him get his hands through in a way he’ll probably need to on better fastballs, but man, it’s easy to see why he can get scouts to dream on him. He took a very good walk in a situation where it would be easy to flail a bit. Also had a nice throw to the plate from the outfield…
Jordan Shipers was throwing garbage. Fastball had little life and was 86-87. Secondaries were meh. Very underwhelmed after some of the first-ish person stuff I’d heard.
The Yakima lineup was completely uninteresting.
On the mound, their reliever Mike Blake was what Shipers was supposed to be, a short lefty with good velo and movement on his fastball. 4Ks and a couple of weak grounders in 2.2 innings of work. Probably not much of a story there, but it’s the closest thing to interesting I saw from their roster.
Shipers was that slow?
I, too, had heard he has some nice velocity.
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