MiLB 8/19
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 19, 2011 9:20 PM EDT
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Not going to go through a list here...it is already pretty late. Julio Rodriguez is having another nice night though. 7 IP 0R 6H 9K 0BB. He's been on fire lately. I'm sure there are many other interesting lines tonight, so post away people!
Not going to go through a list here...it is already pretty late. Julio Rodriguez is having another nice night though. 7 IP 0R 6H 9K 0BB. He's been on fire lately. I'm sure there are many other interesting lines tonight, so post away people!
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Usual Jays pitcher domination
Nicolino, 5IP, 2H, 0R, 0BB, 3K Season ERA 1.03
Hutchison 5IP, 1H, 1ER, 1BB, 6K, ERA 2.74 at Dunedin
Cubs so far
Trey McNutt (not certain if he’s done as I type this) – 6 ip, 5 h, 3 bb, 3 K’s, 2 HBP, 7:3 GO/FO, 1 R.
Righty has been hampered by injuries this year, and the Cubs will send him to Arizona to get his innings total up for the season. He’s still flashed his potential, and has shown an improved change, but the consistency isn’t there.
Dae-Eun Rhee (done) – 6.2 ip, 5 h, 1 bb, 11 K’s, 2 R (2 run homer), 4:4 GO/FO.
He’s shown flashes this year, but has been a tad inconsistent. That said, he’s starting to show why he was so exciting. JJ Cooper noted in his chat the other day that he was 94/95 with a good change. The good change part is the more exciting point to me as that was his out-pitch (some called it a split, some called it a split-change), but I was surprised at the 94/95, as I had only heard/seen low 90’s. Perhaps the better news, he’s working 5-6 innings each time out, and his durability (to stick as a starter) was a concern pre-TJ. With the weakened Cubs system, he’s a solid top 10, and perhaps top 5-7 or so.
Frank Del Valle – 5.1 shutout, 4 h, 1 bb, 7 K’s, 6:2 GO/FO.
The built Cuban lefty has solid enough stuff/potential to be an intriguing lefty starting pitching prospect, but is fairly far away right now and has to work on his secondary stuff.
McNutt
got into some problems in the 7th. After getting two outs, he walked one and gave up two singles, before striking out Chih-Hsien Chiang. Overall line looks pretty eh as a result of it – 7 ip, 7 h, 4 bb, 2 R, 5 K’s, 2 HBP, 7:4 GO/FO. That said, I like that the Cubs are pushing his pitch counts in an effort to work him. 97 pitches.
oddest thing
Bob Nightengale tweeted yesterday that Frank Del Valle was hitting 98 on the gun. That’s far higher than anything I’ve ever heard. If he is 98 … that’s a dang fascinating arm. Had been hearing low 90’s, occasionaly hitting a 93/94 type number.
tom milone
6.2 ip, 8 hits, 10 k’s, 0 bb’s
i agree with most that it’s best to judge pitchers based on scouting reports. indeed, it’s fairly easy to put up good strikeout totals in the minors if you’re willing and able to throw strikes. however, once in a while a guy comes along and shocks you by having a long major league career despite mediocre stuff. could this be one of those guys?
Delino DeShields
With a HR…and it was a BEAUTY!!!
Well, I didn’t see it, but I assume it was amazing.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 19, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Drury with his first walk since July 23rd
That was 23 games (92 AB) without a walk. I still like him QUITE a bit.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 19, 2011 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
2 walks!
And it was a 16 inning game with only 4 total walks allowed by the opposing pitchers. He also went 3-6 with a double, which is pretty common for him.
by auclairkeithbc on Aug 20, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
hey nixa
i guess those skills didn’t show up last night
:-)
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 20, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
who's the better prospect...sano or cuthbert?
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 19, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Prospect: Sano; MLBer: Cuthbert
Pros/cons:
- CC should stick at 3B, whereas Sano is likely going to RF.
- Cuthbert won’t have Sano’s power but will likely be the better hitter.
- Sano has the higher ceiling b/c of his bat, but CC should be a better all-around player.
Sano has the higher ceiling b/c of his bat.
funny, i’ve read the exact opposite.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 20, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I always find this sort of conclusion confusing
If a guy projects to be the better major league player, he’s the better prospect. Yes, different players have different ceilings and floors, but what is most relevant for evaluation is the most reasonable expectation of performance. Otherwise you start getting into all of that weird BS where you get somebody claiming that there’s a couple hundred dudes in the minors who could be No. 1 starters and whatnot.
Depends on which you prefer: ceiling or floor
IMO, Sano has the higher ceiling, but lower floor, with the opposite for Cuthbert (higher floor, lower ceiling). Some define a prospect’s ranking based on the higher ceiling, some by the higher floor.
this sort of argument still doesn't appeal to me
It makes entirely too much sense to simply go with the 50th percentile outcome. Floor and ceiling affect that outcome (as they affect all outcomes).
Sano has the raw power that Cuthbert just doesn't have
People have a tendency to fall in love with power and will run him up a list because of it. I’ll take Cuthbert.
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just to be clear, I wasn't using my point to declare Sano > Cuthbert or vice versa
I’d be inclined to take Cuthbert at the moment, but there’s just too much we don’t know about them just yet to speak with much certainty. It wouldn’t be too surprising to see the two of them switch places in the annual rankings 3-4 times before they reach the majors.
They seem like different players to me. Cuthbert is more in the Profar school of prospects (lots of polish, advanced knowledge of the strike zone, enough pop to take advantage of the tasty pitches that he sees). Sano has more raw hitting ability; I keep hearing reports of the “different sound” off of his bat, which is pretty exciting. But he doesn’t have the polish of Cuthbert.
I don’t think it’s quite as simple as 50th percentile projections either. I prefer to think of it as projecting how much the player will fill out their current grades to future grades (or in John’s parlance, how they’ll turn their tools into skills; I think this is why makeup is important; players with good makeup get a little extra credit in that we think they’ll max out their tools a little bit better).
With Sano, I see a guy who’s got game power but not game hitting or strike zone ability yet (but projects to gain those things). With Cuthbert, I see a guy with the ability to do all three in game, but with a lesser ceiling. I’m pretty bullish on Sano’s chances of becoming a good all-around hitter, so I think I like him a little more than Cuthbert, but I also think that his 50th percentile outcome might be worse than Cuthbert’s, if that makes sense.
'different sound off the bat'
see chris lubanski’s career
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 22, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Alex Colome: 5.2 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K (His peripherals have been terrible in AA, but the hit rate is very very low)
Hak Ju Lee: 0-1, 3 BB, 2 SB, 1 CS
5 straight with a HR I believe
if he were 2 years younger he’d be a top 50 prospect I believe. It is too bad the Rays are so damn slow promoting their guys, it is tough to judge just how good guys like DD and Bortnick are because they are so old for the league they are in.
The point is valid though
Dietrich should be at least in high A right now. Prospect evaluators would have a much easier job figuring out where he fits into a top 100 list if he was facing more advanced competition.
Vettleson is good.
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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 19, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
From Fort Wayne
Keyvius Sampson: 5IP 3H 2ER 3BB 6K
Liriano: 2-4, BB
Spangenberg: 4-5, 2B
by walnut falcons on Aug 19, 2011 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
liriano
keith law said in his latest char that liriano has perhaps the best tools in the system. i hope he rips up the cal next year. if things come together then he should be able to put up a 20/40 season there
Did you also mean to say chat instead of char? Or were you at a barbecue at Keith's house?
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day."
-Frank Sinatra
Obviously not
KLaw is a self-proclaimed great cook. I doubt he would char anything.
Wrong again
Char are a genus within the salmonidae family, similar to trout.
Renaissance man that he is, Law had probably just taken himself to a remote Adirondack stream to better contemplate the tools within the San Diego farm system. It’s no surprise his first comments would be to the fish.
Eagerly waiting to hear the Cox to Wong to Pujols double play call.
by siddfynch on Aug 20, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
well...
if you’re gonna be a smartass about spelling and grammar then perhaps you should be extra careful about your own posts. did you mean to say char is a genus?
nice try...he meant genus
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 20, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
you are right. damn it!!! i guess char or chars are both acceptable…
anyhow
i’m not sure why people are so concerned about spelling and grammar on this site. it seems like y’all are always criticizing peoples’ use of language. what’s up with that?
actually
i technically didn’t correct him because i was wrong. lol…
i was trying to defend myself
why do y’all care about how good of a handle someone has on the english language? this is a freakin’ baseball site!
Language and grammar are important
Primarily as a means to better convey your thoughts, but eloquence is an end in itself. As for the “char” tangent, that looks like it was in jest to me.
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maybe
but this is a recurring theme on this site. there’s a twinge of intellectual bullying here. it kind of turns me off to the site…
the above posts kind of poke fun at keith law’s intellectual arrogance. however, it’s pretty arrogant to criticize me because i misspelled chat
i agree...
just ignore it and move on…it doesnt help it when you turn it into a pissing contest…especially if you’re not going to win
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 20, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
oh man!
just saw this. i thought we were all having fun here. i don’t think anyone would be seriously critical of a typo.
Eagerly waiting to hear the Cox to Wong to Pujols double play call.
Campos keeps on rolling
6 ip, 5 h, 2 r, 1 er, 1 bb, 7 k’s. Now has 70 ks and just 10 bbs in 68.1 ip.
What a fun game that would have been to be at
Nicolino vs. Campos
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If only Erasmo had his stuff.
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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 19, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Franklin returns to Jackson
3-4, 3B, SB, RBI. Played short.
Is he a top 100 prospect yet?
Sleep, those little slices of death. Oh how I loathe them.
by Daggerrrrrr on Aug 20, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Not even top 200
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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 20, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
huh???
yeah hes a near top 50 much less 200
Your sarcasm meter mut be off.
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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 20, 2011 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Crap, now mine is broken.
I cannot distinguish internet tone anymore.
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by Marinerfanjake on Aug 20, 2011 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Top 50?
That’s a big jump.
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by Daggerrrrrr on Aug 20, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
A jump, but not a huge one
He was a B prospect for me last offseason (98th overall).
Highly touted HS arm who was more projection than production. He comes into pro ball and, surprise, he’s productive! I see no reason not to be on board.
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Agreed
This guy has nasty stuff.
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 20, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, certainly
The only thing that was holding him back before was some across-the-board inconsistency that he showed his senior year of HS. That seems to have been the aberration in the scheme of things, at least up to this point.
Thornburg
7IP 5H 4R 3ER 1BB 9K and 1 HRA.
Padres
AAA
Rizzo: 0-5 1 SO
AA
Tekotte: 0-4 1 BB 1 SO
Decker: 0-4 1 SO
Gyorko: 1-3 1 2B 1 BB 1 SO
Wieland: 5 IP 2 H 1 R 0 ER 73-49 pitches-strikes 3 swinging strikes
A+
In-progress
A
Domoromo: 3-5 1 2B 1 SO 1 SB
A-
In-progress
Rookie
Alcantara: 0-1 HBP, removed from game
Daal: 1-2 1 SO, 17-year-old catcher from the Netherlands
Mel
Rojas learned how to walk?
1-1, 4 BB
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
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Marte
2-4
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 20, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Stetson
Allie… IP, BB, 2K, 0H
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Aug 20, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Kelvin Herrera...
K’d side in perfect 9th. man i wish he could start. he’s great.
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great arm, isn't he?
The Futures Game debacle aside, he’s been awesome. Hardest throwing guy I’ve gotten to see.
Does he actually have good command of his stuff, or is it just so unhittable that no one walks against him because he can throw it down the middle and still K or induce weak contact? He’s probably my favorite reliever in the minors right now, regardless. Reed might have a claim to the title of best relief prospect, but I have to believe that Herrera is right there.
ready to jump into the pen when/if
crow and/or holland jump into the rotation
you think holland has a chance to be a decent starter?
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 20, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
i’ve been riding (if not driving!) this bandwagon for the past month or so. 4 pitches and enough control to try it. obviously there is a little concern since he’s started like 8 games in his pro career…so who knows if the durability is going to be there. it’s worth a shot.
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Arenado
on fire, after 3 straight days with a hr
3-4, 1 R, 3B, 3 RBI
108 RBI on the season now
which leads all of professional baseball. Part of that is due to Josh Rutledge though, who is having a spectacular season himself.
I’m really excited for Arenado though. With his vastly improved defense, he should definitely stick at 3B. I think he has a very good chance at becoming a star someday.
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by Cargo's Ball Sack5 on Aug 20, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
does anyone else
find it slightly weird that the Rockies seem to have a disproportionately high amount of international prospects hit, and a disproportionately low amount of draft prospects hit in the past few years?
by blue bulldog on Aug 20, 2011 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
tulo, holliday, helton...
how many teams have drafted a group of 3 better players since 1995?…honestly i dont know…but that seems pretty solid to me
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 20, 2011 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Cardinals did a decent job in the late 90's-early 00's
Pujols, Drew, Haren, Rasmus
we'll see how rasmus turns out
but yeah…even without him thats a pretty solid group
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by billybeingbilly on Aug 20, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Rasmus was a bit of an add-on...
And many of the best years for Drew (and all for Haren) were on different teams, but they’ve done a decent job (and with Pujols got a little lucky) at drafting talent. Hard to say as a devoted Cubs fan…
I wouldn't really say that.
Actually, most of the good position players the Rockies have developed have been through the draft. With pitching, on the other hand, they’ve had much more luck in Latin America.
If by the past few years, you mean guys still currently in the minors, or just recently promoted, I’d still say it’s been more draft heavy than international. The only real quality international hitting prospects the Rockies have are guys like Wilin Rosario, Rafael Ortega, Rosell Herrera, and Hector Gomez. And there isn’t anyone whose made the big league roster who qualifies(unless you’re a Johnny Herrera fan). On the flip side, the system is full of drafted/American bats…Arenado, Wheeler, Parker, Rutledge, Story, Swanner, Dickerson, Zuanich, Field, Paulsen, Pacheco, etc…plus all the recent callups, such as Blackmon, Nelson, Young Jr, Fowler, Stewart, Iannetta, Smith, Tulo, etc.
Honestly, I can’t really think of many international position prospects the Rockies have ever signed and developed, that have ever really amounted to a whole lot. The only really good one they’ve had recently is Carlos Gonzalez, but they traded for him after he already made the majors, so that doesn’t really count. In all reality, they really haven’t developed any real good hitting prospects in the past several years, from anywhere…but the bigger group of mediocre hitters has been of the drafted variety, I would say.
Alanna Rizzo is my dream girl.
by Cargo's Ball Sack5 on Aug 20, 2011 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions
my bad
actually, for some reason i had thought Arenado was a international signing
but i guess when i made the comment, i was thinking more about the pitchers. weren’t ubaldo, chacin, and nicasio all international signings? if you look at their success…and compare to the success of top pitching prospects picked up in the draft…….
as for Cargo….as a Dbacks fan, i’m painfully aware of his origins :(
by blue bulldog on Aug 21, 2011 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Brett Jackson
showing his ugly side with 3 Ks, at least 1-4
Tommy La Stella, 2B, Rome Braves
has he passed Lipka as a prospect?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 20, 2011 2:43 AM EDT reply actions
Not even close
La Stella is hitting great in Rome, but he’s 22 years old. This is what he’s supposed to be doing. Yeah Lipka is struggling right now, but he’s 3 years younger, he’s playing a tougher position, and he’s a better bet to stick there.
Lipka's a better bet to stick @ SS than La Stella sticking @ 2B?
Lipka’s a good bet to move to CF.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 21, 2011 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Reports on his defense this year have been much improved
Seems like at this point he’s a decent bet to stick at SS. La Stella on the other hand seems like a sure thing to move to LF.
Taylor Lindsey
4 for 5 with 2 doubles. 34 XBH in 45 games. Now SLG .633 (.771 vs lefties) which is 2nd in the Pioneer league. Looking forward to tracking how this guy does next year in a much different environment against tougher competition.
Hope he works on plate discipline...
If this kid can take some walks to go along with his XBH-ability, look out!
Looks like the changes made by Mottola to Hech's swing are working for now
3-4 HR last night
Hitting RHP now in SSS.
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