Prospect of the Day: Alexander Torres, LHP, Tampa Bay Rays
Prospect of the Day: Alexander Torres, LHP, Tampa Bay Rays
If you like strikeouts, you need to pay attention to Tampa Bay Rays prospect Alexander Torres, currently leading the Triple-A International League with 130 whiffs for Durham. While teammate Matt Moore is a superior prospect, Torres is a fine talent in his own right and will be making his way to Tampa Bay soon enough.
Torres is a 5-10, 175 pound lefty, 23 years old. He was originally signed by the Los Angeles Angels in 2005, out of Venezuela. It took him three years to get out of rookie ball, but he jumped to the High-A California League in the second half of the 2008 season and performed well, posting a 3.91 ERA with a 62/29 K/BB in 53 innings. A return engagement in 2009 resulted in a 2.74 ERA with a 124/63 K/BB in 121 innings, bringing him to the attention of Rays scouts. He was traded to Tampa in the August 2009 Scott Kazmir deal and finished the year in Double-A.
The Rays are usually conservative about promoting prospects, and Torres spent all of 2010 in Double-A, going 11-6, 3.47 in 143 innings for Montgomery, with a 150/70 K/BB and 136 hits allowed. Moved up to Triple-A this year, Torres has put up similar numbers for Durham: a 3.23 ERA with a 130/67 K/BB in 123 innings over 23 starts, with 117 hits allowed. As stated, he leads the International League in strikeouts. His 9.5 K/9 IP ratio is best among league starting pitchers, although several relievers have better marks.
Torres isn't a big guy, but he generates plenty of velocity for a lefty with a low-90s fastball. The heater plays up because of its movement. He also has an above-average changeup, and his curveball, while inconsistent, is also a frequent plus pitch. All of his pitches have excellent movement, and he's maintained his superior strikeout rates at each level. His mechanics aren't textbook, but add deception to all the life in his pitches.
The downside is spotty command: Torres doesn't always know where the ball is going and walks a lot of people, although his ground ball tendency and low home run rates have limited the damage, resulting in solid ERAs. The question is: will that be true in the majors? He received one inning of work in the major leagues back in July and walked three guys, not an auspicious beginning, granted it was just one game.
Since his stuff is so good, Torres has been ahead of minor league hitters at every turn, but he'll likely require adjustment time in the majors due to his command issues. It remains to be seen how he fits into Tampa's plans: for many teams he would be a definite rotation candidate for 2012. Although his control problems mean he's not a terrific bet for immediate success, keep in mind that strikeout rates are an excellent indicator of future success for young pitchers. It may take awhile, but Torres has a good shot at eventual major league effectiveness.
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so, Scott Kazmir Part II?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
Probably nowhere as talented
Left handed, somewhat smallish & linked by being traded for each other though.
Kaz had much better velocity
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 18, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He had much better fastball command.
The fastball I saw Torres throw in the big leagues was damn impressive. That said he’s not anywhere close to Kazmir. Good Kazmir threw slightly harder, but not nearly the movement on the fastball, but much better command and that’s saying something because he wasn’t ever exactly Cliff Lee. That and his slider was unhittable and he developed a plus change Torres isn’t in his stratosphere.
Tools Whore
I was at Torres debut against the Yankees
and while he did walk 3 guys I came away impressed. He showed good poise despite being squeezed a bit and considering Joe Maddon brought him out there in the 9th inning of a tie game with the 3-4-5 hitters coming up against the Yankees he could have done a lot worse. His stuff looked good and he showed good flashes of being a shut down reliever. I think anywhere else he would be in the rotation right now, but with the Rays he is destined for the back end of the bullpen.
Torres
John: do you think he has more value to the Rays as a reliever or as a trade chip?
trade chip
I’m sure, he’s viewed more as a starter by other teams, like john said
2-3 plus pitches with spotty control
sometimes spells “shutdown reliever” as opposed to “inconsistent starter.” Obviously a starter has a lot more value than a reliever generically, so I guess unpacking my question to John, it’s more: “Do you think that Torres has the sort of profile that would give him a significantly higher chance to succeed in the majors in relief as compared to as a starter? And if it’s the latter, do other teams value Torres as highly as you do?”
Personally, I lean heavily towards keeping a guy as a starter, but TB is in a pretty unique situation in that they have 7 guys who could start for them in 2012 all of whom are better than Torres.
by AndrewTorrez on Aug 18, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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I would apprentice him in long relief if I could, like the Twins did with Johan Santana back in the day. NOT short-relief or LOOGY, I mean long relief, Earl Weaver style.
by John Sickels on Aug 18, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to suggest you did a POTD on this guy but since you are doing one now on Torres no need for another Ray but,
What are your quick thoughts on Derek Dietrich, he is having quite the breakout season. Do you think he can stick at SS, and what other positions would his bat play well at LF, 2B, 3B? I haven’t read too many scouting reports but he has been mashing from the SS positions.
Dietrich
has a lot more pop than expected. Seems like a pretty good bat. Any reports on his glove?He seems a little blocked by Hak-Ju Lee and Tim Beckham at SS.
Most people tend to think Derek Dietrich won't stick at SS
That would be a range thing though as his hands appear perfectly fine. That being said, he hasn’t played anywhere but SS yet. He’s got the arm for third & I think that would be a suitable landing spot for him & especially so if his power has arrived. He comes across as an aggressive hitter so he probably could work on his selectiveness as he ascends towards MLB. He’s fun to watch play though & I do like him. Also, I think ‘utility player’ projections undersell his upside although his potential versatility will only help.
I love Dietrich
but you have to be concerned about his K rate right now. Next year at Port Charlotte should be a big test.
by AndrewTorrez on Aug 18, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah the kazmir trade
One of the many gifts of the Tony reagins era
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Aug 18, 2011 4:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What grade would you give him
as a pitching prospect right now?
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by The Congo Hammer on Aug 18, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
thanks John!
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