Logan Morrison demoted
by King Billy Royal on Aug 14, 2011 4:16 AM EDT
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PrintLogan Morrison was sent down by the Marlins on Saturday. From Sports Illustrated:
MIAMI (AP) -- The Florida Marlins have optioned left fielder Logan Morrison to Triple-A New Orleans and released veteran Wes Helms.
The moves were announced following a 3-0 loss to San Francisco on Saturday night.
Morrison had been struggling offensively and defensively in recent weeks, hitting .230 in his last 38 games. Overall, Morrison is hitting .249 with 17 home runs and 60 RBI.
Following the resignation of manager Edwin Rodriguez in June, Morrison was reprimanded by the team for comments he posted on his Twitter account.
Morrison said he feels "resentment" and "anger" over the decision.
Helms was batting .191 overall. He had seven hits in 33 at-bats as a pinch hitter.
The Marlins said they will announce moves Sunday to fill the open roster spots.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/08/13/marlins-moves.ap/index.html#ixzz1UzNu05Rh
Personally I think this is an absolute joke. Sure he has been struggling with the average recently but he is still hitting for power and is definitely one of the Marlins best hitters. I find it laughable that they have been criticizing his defense recently considering that he is helping the team by attempting to man the OF even though he is a good first baseman. If I was a FA or a high draft pick I would try to avoid this franchise at all costs.
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The Marlins
might, right now, be the most ineptly run Major League Team in baseball.
Yeah, Cub fans, worse than you guys.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 14, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions
disagree
They don’t treat their players well at all. But considering their average payroll. It’s quite the miracle how they are consistently average.
Mourning Guy Carbonneau...
Royals obscure player to watch in ST: Lenny DiNardo
by playingwithfire on Aug 14, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Logan since May 1st
.235/.308/.433
He’s riding an extremely hot April where he hit .327/.424/.636 in 55 at bats
Furthermore, he’s blasted the owner (something you do not do), blasted Hanley Ramirez (again, struggling or not, you don’t put your best player on blast) and as of yesterday, cancelled a meet n greet with season ticket holders where he was to take pictures with them. He’s a little immature right now and his demotion has just as much to do with his plate issues. Some believe he has more interest being a psuedo-celebrity than he does being a baseball player right now.
He’ll be back in a few weeks if he can learn to keep his yap shut. Some of his quotes to the press are mindblowingly dumb. “They didn’t say anything about [my 17 homers and 60 RBI]. They didn’t say anything about maybe the reason I was hitting .240 was getting the guy over to third rolling over groundballs, not worrying about average.” Not worrying about average my ass. What baseball player isn’t worried about his average (as silly as that may be)
FutureFish.org
+1
Deciding to cancel a charity event apparently on his own or skip a meet-and-greet with season-ticket holders is the big problem for me because it makes other people look bad. Criticizing the owner or Ramirez isn’t terribly smart, but that’s a one-on-one issue.
People will say it’s a crime that his Twitter feed can’t be so anything-goes anymore, but there are thousands of people on Twitter who are fun and interesting without pissing off their coworkers. Hopefully this is just lesson learned and on with life.
Lol
Or maybe the Marlins schedule non optional charity events on their off days, screw up other charity events and then gets fed up and doesn’t go to an event.
You seem to think it’s ok for ors to demote players that skip so called optional events.
At your job, is it OK for you to criticize your management and coworkers in a public forum? As for canceling the bowling tournament, was that his prerogative? He wasn’t the one handling logistics, after all.
I don’t know if the photo op was optional or not.
LoMo is far more sympathetic a figure here than MarlinOrg, who I don’t doubt are as pathetic as everyone says. But it’s pretty easy to see how he pissed them off.
I don't think my job has any relevance on MLB
and all events are optional, that’s why they have a union. But the Marlins were making it mandatory. I don’t blame any player that doesn’t want to be a part of that.
I’m not going to argue based on whether this was optional or not — I actually do believe optional means optional, so if those details ever come out about this photo op, the situation will speak for itself.
But I do believe workplace etiquette is relevant here. He’s not working for you or me, the fans or Twitter, he’s working for Jeffrey Loria. And I’ll grant you out of hand that Loria is a dick. But that doesn’t change the employer-employee dynamic.
You compare workplace etiquette,
how often have you read the morning paper only to find out that your manager told everyone that you did a bad job yesterday and they need to look at options to replace you?
how often have you signed a contract where something is optional but if you don’t do it then you are demoted?
I could go on, but I think you get the point that our workplace has nothing to do with MLB.
RE: "Furthermore, he’s blasted the owner (something you do not do)"
Pin a medal on the boy. He’s a fucking hero.
Fuck Jeff Loria.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Aug 14, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What baseball player isn’t worried about his average (as silly as that may be)?
The Greek God of Walks.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 15, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
August Waiver trade deadline candidate?
~David Kahn is pretty much clueless~
Twins top 11 ~ Gibson, Sano, Hendriks, Hicks, Arcia, Salcedo, Benson, Michael, Kepler, Rosario, Gutierrez ~
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 14, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
Keith Law put it best, I think
2nd on team in SLG. What a circus that team is. RT @johnnyg523: @keithlaw keith, your thoughts on lomo being optioned?
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by Dan Strittmatter on Aug 14, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions
Terrible Decision by Marlins
LoMo is the type of guy the team should build around and make him the face of the franchise, not Hanley.
by John Black on Aug 14, 2011 4:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
this
the Marlins are a joke. creating enmity between your best young player and your org is about the dumbest move I can think of.
by PrincetonCubs on Aug 14, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
their second best then.
plus, the Helms move just makes the Marlins look shady as hell
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/08/morrison-could-file-grievance-against-marlins.html
by PrincetonCubs on Aug 14, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
it’s kinda funny that he was demoted. You gotta realize where the hell you are in the pecking order here. If I’m the owner and you blast me on a public forum, I demote you and say, “tweet this, bitch”. Enjoy minor league baseball.
yea
Thankfully your not an owner cause what owner actually wants to win after all?
Thoughts
As fans we are often hear other fans and media members complain that players only give us tired old cliches when asked questions. I understand the frustration this causes as many of us want well thought out HONEST answers from our athletes. However, why should athletes give us original honest thoughts when they will be punished for it? LoMo is honest and correct with his assessment of Hanley and many other things. Punishing players for speaking their minds is a dangerous precedent as we are entering an age where we better get used to vanilla comments from our athletes.
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 14, 2011 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Sure
But you can’t go running off your mouth about co-workers or your boss, whereever it is you work, without there being consequences. His job is not to criticize his teammate or his owner on Twitter or in a public forum. If he has an issue with teammates or ownership do it professionally behind closed doors.
Who has he called out recently?
If they had such an issue with his Tweeting, why didn’t they send him down after the Hanley and hitting coach comments? Besides, I think we can all agree that Loria should not even own a MLB team.
The weirdest thing is that his Tweeting appears to have nothing to do with why he was sent down. The belief is that he was demoted because he skipped OPTIONAL team events. This is ownership treating a player as if they are property who must do what they are told, even if it is out of their contractual obligations. Apparently the MLBPA is already looking in to this demotion as they feel that it may not be for on-field reasons.
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 14, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
that’s probably what they should have done. I’m sure there is more to it than anyone of us knows. I think LoMo is really talented and this is just a blip on a good career. Still, I’m not sure what he’s done in his young career to be calling out ANYONE. Let the manager and management deal with Hanley or others, if they feel something needs to be addressed.
Certainly not sticking up for Loria, we definitely can agree the guy is a tool.
by BryceHarper on Aug 14, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Filing a grievance isn't going to do Morrison any good in this case
Even if the real reason the Marlins sent him down is because he skipped the optional event, the MArlins can just as easily point to his batting average and say that’s why. Even if we know that sending him down because of his batting average is a bad idea, teams aren’t prohibited from doing dumb things.
My take is that the Marlins are trying to use this as a wakeup call for Morrison. He seems to be one of the most popular players on the team when it comes to fans and this is a team that badly needs to build up its fan base. Yeah, maybe it was an optional event, but he needs to be there regardless if he cares about this team. Let him spend a few weeks in the minors, work on some of the things that may have caused his numbers to fall off this year, and remember how lucky he was to be in the majors. Its not actually going to cost him anything in the long run (assuming he’s not down for that long), so I personally don’t feel too bad for him.
You don't need to be at optional events
They are called OPTIONAL events. Players shouldn’t be punished for missing them. How would you feel if you had to go to ‘optional’ work events all the time? I would be pretty pissed off and would point out if you want me there so bad you can pay me.
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 15, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, no employers pay attention to who attends optional events
There has never been any employee in history who has been passed over for a promotion by someone slightly less qualified because the less qualified guy showed his commitment to the business by showing up for every optional event while the first guy didn’t. I also think its important to note that the event was likely only called optional because that’s what the CBA requires. Much like optional offseason workouts in college football are “optional,” while you’re not required to be there, you’re expected to be there and you shouldn’t assume there are no repercussions for missing.
The bigger point here is that Morrison should have already realized he was probably on thin ice. He’s regressed this year offensively outside the power department and he’s had issues with the organization over Twitter use and calling out Hanley and Loria. Deciding to then skip an event the team clearly expected he was going to attend (and he doesn’t seem to have notified anyone he wouldn’t), especially when he’s one of the bigger names on the team, just wasn’t the smartest thing to do.
As for myself, my attendance at optional events would depend on the job. If I’m working at some random company and I can just as easily earn a similar amount elsewhere without the hassle, than I probably wouldn’t put up with it. If I’m earning over 500k a year with absolutely no other option for earning that sort of money at another company, I’ll put up with as many optional events as they ask me to attend (especially when those optional events help my own popularity and earning potential).
The Marlins bailed on his charity event first
If it is optional on their end, it is optional on his end.
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 15, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the story I read...
He cancelled it because he felt the Marlins charity foundation (note: not the club itself) didn’t sell enough lanes (it was a bowling event) in advance.
And again, they have all the power here, so if LoMo wants to try and go tit-for-tat with them, this is how its likely going to end up.
Regardless
According to labour law you shouldn’t be able to punish a player for missing an optional event. The Marlins are overstepping their rights in this situation and I hope baseball investigates this joke of a franchise.
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 15, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
They can send him down for any on field reason though
Yeah, if he were hitting like he did last year there is no way they could send him down. However, he’s a young player that has seen his K rate increase, his BB rate decrease, and he still plays awful OF defense (and he’s been awful since the end of May). They can easily make the case that he’s being sent down to work on his current problems, and really that’s all they need with regard to labor law.
Honestly, I don’t think the Marlins are overstepping their rights at all in this case. All they need is an acceptable reason for demoting him, that doesn’t need to be the actual impetus behind the decision. This isn’t just a baseball thing either, the same thing can happen in plenty of jobs where they simply find a legally defensible position to fire you for when it really had nothing to do with that at all. And honestly, if they think sending him down to AAA will be a wakeup call that helps him mature and become a better player (even if its only off the field), what’s wrong with a team with no chance at all of winning this year doing that? Like I mentioned, its not going to cost LoMo a significant amount of coin in the long run, its mostly just the embarrassment factor that seems to bother him.
I agree that they can probably get away with it
However, they have proven that they are a joke franchise and if I was an agent I would strongly recommend that my clients never sign with a franchise that oversteps its bounds like the Marlins are doing. Good luck attracting FAs with that management team in place.
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 15, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
But when it comes down to it, I doubt this incident keeps a guy from accepting more money to live in Miami and get out of paying state income taxes. Its not like the Marlins could ever do this to an actual veteran player that they signed since they can’t get optioned to the minors without there approval, so what’s the worry there?
They may not be able to demote them but they could try to do something fishy
Like benching a guy due to “performance” even though it is actually for a different reason. Also, who would want to play for a team that doesn’t even want to put its best team on the field?
Also, I find it really troubling that the rumor Helms got released is that as the team’s Union Rep he informed LoMo of his right not to attend an optional event, and later that day he is released and LoMo is in the minors. This is incredibly embarrassing for baseball.
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 15, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Still don't really buy it
With LoMo its pretty much a unique situation where he just did so much off the field while also struggling on the field. I also struggle to see the Marlins benching a well paid player for non-baseball (or probably even actual baseball) reasons. I just don’t see veteran free agents caring all that much about what happened to a random second year player that was always running his mouth (or should I say keyboard?).
As for Helms, he deserved to get released for his on-field play awhile ago anyway. Over the past 5 seasons he’s been a below replacement level player. He should be thanking his lucky stars that he held on this long (and still gets paid through the end of the season). And this is coming from a guy who still likes Helms from his time with the Braves.
And its embarrassing for baseball? Really? What percentage of average baseball fans even know who LoMo is, let alone followed up on the story of him getting demoted to find out that this might be the real reason?
Helms does suck
However, releasing him on the same day that LoMo is released is pretty convenient. Also, are you stating that if bad things happen to less famous athletes it isn’t embarrassing for the sport? Really?
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 16, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm definitely saying that
How is it incredibly embarrassing for baseball if 99% of the people who follow baseball don’t even know about it?
I don’t even necessarily agree that its embarrassing in the first place, stuff worse than this happens everyday in other businesses. Outside of the people who really like LoMo, why is this even a big story? You’ve got a guy who opens his mouth too much on twitter that skipped an organizational event he was expected to attend without notifying anybody and hasn’t performed for the past 2.5 months and he got demoted to the minors…why is this a big deal?
I do respect your opinion
I don’t agree with it but I understand where you are coming from. Fun debating with you bro!
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 16, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Glad we can at least keep it civil
I did have to bite my tongue when you threw the old “u” into labor though you crazy Canadian bastard
Also I agree with you 100% on your comments on Twitter
I don’t blame the teams for wanting their players to be boring. I do blame fans who call for players to be themselves and then get mad when they are honest in their opinions.
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 14, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll gladly let the Pirates make a move for him in the off-season
He can put the ball in the stands and we don’t have a lot of guys that can do that right now
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but you just got Ryan Ludwick!
Sheesh, talk about being greedy, LOL.
by John Black on Aug 15, 2011 12:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So who else is thinking that Beinfest's phone is ringing off the hook?
Can’t blame other GMs for trying to get the talented LoMo in the midst of this current controversy.
by John Black on Aug 15, 2011 12:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ahah
Disgruntled player having problems with his current team? Florida better be careful or Alex Anthopoulos might come a callin.
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Aug 15, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I love this idea
Perhaps Alex A can trick them into a Snider for LoMo deal!
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by King Billy Royal on Aug 15, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
pfft!
Given the two parties previous histories, all it should take is a middle reliever or two from AA to get LoMo.
Brett Wallace for Logan Morrison. Plus a reliever say Wilton Lopez.
by YohannDookeyblue on Aug 15, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions
agreed
He holds zero value to his own family.
by John Black on Aug 15, 2011 6:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's making John look good
For getting bullish on Ike Davis right before the ‘08 draft. I’m not sure if he ended up putting him ahead of Wallace, but I remember he considered it.
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