Recent Blockbuster Trades - please comment

by dj07551 on Aug 13, 2011 11:01 AM EDT

Back round: In regards to prospects, we can keep them on our minor league roster until they reach 100 IP for pitchers or 500 plate appearances for hitters. Once they reach those thresholds, we can sign then up to 6 yrs as restricted FA... as restricted, the owner can match any contract offer to that player. With that said, an owner can theoretically control a minor league up to 12 years (6 yr restricted deal, 6 yr match). But most contracts for minor league have ranged from 2-3 initial contract then a 3-5 yr match opportunity. So...

Trade One:

I traded: Matt Moore/Brett jackson/Yovanni Gallardo (control through 2013)/1st rd pick (Likely 5th pick in draft. Starling/Lindor/Baez likely to be available)

I received: Dustin Pedrioa (control through 2013)

I love Moore... He is gonna be an excellent pitcher with health. I go back and forth on Jackson... part of me loves his all around skills but i think (even as a stat head) that once a player reaches a certain number of K's, it will really prohibit him from being a productive player. I hate losing the 1st rd pick but i have 1st or 2nd pick in the draft along with 6 picks in 2nd and 3rd rd so i'll be able to offset the lose of Moore with high upside 2011 MLB draft pitchers. Gallardo is solid but will never reach ACE status IMO.

Trade Two:

I Traded Robinson Cano (Control through 2016)

I received: Evan Longoria ( Control through 2013)

The Peds deal allowed me to flip Cano for Longoria.

A) I think Longoria is better than Cano (mildly)

B) I have had a black hole at 3rd for the past two years

C) Saving 3 years in Cano/Longoria swap will allow me to sign and keep Cameron Maybin

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We need more "back round"

How many teams in the league? What are those players’ salaries? What is the cap?

by auclairkeithbc on Aug 13, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions

Trades

You lost the first trade, in my opinion. Matt Moore is a top-3 prospect in the game, as shown by Baseball America’s latest ranking. Yovani Gallardo is a great pitcher on the rise, I view him as a top-30 pitcher at this point in time. Brett Jackson is a nice prospect, and should have a full time starting job in the majors, shortly. And then you gave up that nice first round pick.

Pedroia is nice, but he’s not worth an ace, two top-50 prospects and a top-5 pick.

by Will Lofton on Aug 13, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

How is Gallardo on the rise?

His peripherals seem to indicate the opposite.

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 13, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I meant in terms of potential

He’s only 25-years-old. And, can you explain how his peripherals indicate the opposite? He has an xFIP, .15 lower then his ERA.

by Will Lofton on Aug 13, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions

The declining K rate does not indicate his career is on the rise

It actually indicates the opposite.

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 14, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions

so, Teheran's career is on decline?

his k rate this year is lower than last year’s.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Aug 14, 2011 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions

I see what you did

you compared a pattern of multiple years on the same team at the same level vs. a player on multiple teams, multiple levels. nice.

by pedrophile on Aug 14, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions

Exactly

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 14, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions

K rate doesn't indicate everything

Roy Halladay doesn’t have that high of a K rate, as he has a career SO/9 of 6.8

He does devour innings, but he proves that one does not need a high K rate to be an ace.

Yes, Yo doesn’t chew up a ton of innings, and his K rate is declining, but 2011 is the first year in his career in the majors in which his SO/9 has been under 9 so it’s too early to tell whether his K rate has been lowered for good. I’d wait another couple of years before being concerned about his K rate.

by ilikeburritos on Aug 14, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Using Halladay as a comp is not wise

He is otherworldly.

However, generally a declining K rate is not a good indicator for a pitcher. Gallardo doesn’t have Halladay’s command nor pitches which allows him to pitch to command.

Also, it isn’t that I don’t like Gallardo; I like him a lot. However, I do not agree that he is “on the rise” as Will Lofton indicated.

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 14, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I was a little iffy on the Halladay comp myself

But I was only using the comp as an indication that the K rate isn’t everything.

I’m not entirely sure that Gallardo is “on the rise” as well, but he’s not necessarily on the decline either, at least not yet. Considering that he’s usually a strikeout pitcher, his K rate may rise next season.

by ilikeburritos on Aug 14, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

don't love either trade

but especially not the first…

by PrincetonCubs on Aug 13, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions

Not thrilled

Think you gave up WAY WAY WAY too much in the 1st trade, and the 2nd one is a wash, at the very best.

by pooptallica on Aug 13, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions

So you traded Moore, Gallardo, 1st for three years of Longo

Sounds like a bad trade to me

by pedrophile on Aug 13, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions

I actually like the second trade..

But the first trade sucks

by AckAttack on Aug 13, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

1st trade you gave up a bit too much

2nd trade is pretty even for both sides

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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 13, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions

First trade was terrible (no offense)

Second trade I like, but thats probably cause im a yanks fan ;)

by cmikk8 on Aug 13, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions

Hate the deals

I think Moore is going to be stud and you would have had him under control for a long time. Also that 1st Round pick is important. Do not see much fantasywise that differentiates Pedroia from Cano. So you basically did all of that for 3 less years of a player in Evan Longoria. I do not think signing Cameron Maybin to a longterm deal justifies it as I am not convinced of his long term potential when you also consider that San Diego does depress home run totals

by mtk52983 on Aug 14, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions