Blue Jays Top 30 -- Post Draft (assuming top draft pix signed)
by Alfamale on Jul 7, 2011 8:22 PM EDT
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Printi was going to just do a top 10, but there's just waaaaay too many prospects in the Toronto Org. to do that:
1. Brett Lawrie
2. Kyle Drabek
3. Travis d'Arnaud
4. Anthony Gose
5. Jake Marisnick
7. Tyler Beede
8. Deck McGuire
10. David Cooper
11. Adam Loewen
12. Adeiny Hechevarria
13. Mike McDade
14. Carlos Perez
15. Justin Nicolino
16. Chad Jenkins
17. Marcus Knecht
18. Zach Stewart
19. Noah Syndergaard
20. Aaron Sanchez
21. Daniel Norris
22. Adonys Cardona
23. Griffin Murphy
24. Nestor Molina
25. Dickie Thon
26. Kellen Sweeney
27. Asher Wojcieshowski
28. Moises Sierra
29. AJ Jiminez
30. Michael Crouse
.... and it wouldn't be hard to come up with another 20+ prospects worth following.
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Norris
Why would Daniel Norris be #20?? He was easily the best HS LHP in the draft and probably an overall top 15 -20 talent. He went so late due to his strong commitment to Clemson. I would put him above Beede & Hutchison but below McGuire. Norris (assuming good health & signs with TOR) should be an excellent arm in their solid farm system.
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Among other things, Norris is waaay too low.
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jul 7, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Norris might not sign, but if he does, he is easily Top 10.
by Kapellmeisters on Jul 8, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Norris
i don’t like his delivery — he throws hard, but i think he’s gonna blow his arm up.
where would you guys put him?
Top 10 for sure.
Assuming Drabek is no longer a prospect I would slot Norris anywhere from 4-8. I like him more than Beede. Something like Lawrie, d’Arnaud, McGuire, Gose, Norris. With Marisnick, Alvarez, Hutchison, etc following. It’s tough to say without looking at it a little more. So much pitching depth in the system
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jul 7, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
"he throws hard, but i think he’s gonna blow his arm up."
Have you seen Norris pitch enough to be able to say this definitively? I have literally never read a report that commented negatively on his delivery.
by blackoutyears on Jul 8, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? How?
Are you biggest Blue Jay fan in Tennessee? I’ve been following Norris since the summer after his sophomore year in h.s. and I’ve probably seen about ten minutes of video.
by blackoutyears on Jul 8, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I see no things wrong with his delivery, it looks very smooth and easily repeatable.
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Looks fine to me.
Little long in the back. Few things that could be cleaned up/tightened up… but nothing out of the ordinary for a high school kid.
Definitely gonna blow out
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by blackoutyears on Jul 9, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Just edit the fanpost to include him
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by King Billy Royal on Jul 7, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Some guys may be to low or too high but this just goes to show.
The jays have a very strong farm system, looks good.
I like D'Arnaud more than Drabek
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by mathisrocks5 on Jul 7, 2011 10:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nice work.
If it were me, I would
-Remove Cooper. C+ kind of guy for me. I just don’t see him hitting that much. Its a Las Vegas mirage.
-Have Norris 5th (I wouldn’t rank Drabek as he’s graduated).
-Have Aaron Sanchez 7th (love him)
-Remove Adam Loewen (age)
-Move Dickie Thon up (monster tools)
-Add Joe Musgrove & Kevin Comer
-Move Mike McDade down (Not a believer)
-Add Matt Dean
-Move Asher Wojciechowski up
You seem to be a little too minor-league-results based for my tastes.
Well, I figured that... since you posted your list above. : )
but I would advise you to look less at minor league stat lines and more at the player abilities/tools. I really can’t imagine a serious talent evaluator even considering taking David Cooper over Daniel Norris or Aaron Sanchez. They aren’t in the same neighborhood. Two exciting arms with FOR potential vs a shorter 1B with sub par power who hasn’t hit at all outside of when he was a 24 year old in one of the most hitter friendly parks in the minors.
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by blackoutyears on Jul 8, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds good to me
Except the only two TOR prospects I’d have ahead of Norris are Lawrie & d’Arnaud.
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I'm happy to see Adam Loewen do well and all, but...
He’s a 27 year old playing in a hitter friendly park. On a list like this, why have him just outside the Top 10?
by Outshined_One on Jul 8, 2011 2:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
well
the reason he’s 27 and still in AAA is because he used to be a pitcher… not sure you remember?
I don't think there's any reason to be snarky. You put a list out there, it's open for criticism.
I think most people here know the story of Adam Loewen and that he used to be a pitcher. Looking at the big picture, he’s playing in the PCL, in Vegas, he’s 27, and until this season was a .240 hitter with moderate to below average power.
There’s reason for people to be speculative about how his bat will translate to the majors and whether he’ll even be as successful as Rick Ankiel, and Ankiels “success” is mostly just based off of the fact that he made it at all and stuck around because he’s got above-average power.
For all of these reasons, I think people like the story of Loewen but give the opportunity to pick a player out of the Blue Jays organization that they think has the highest chance for success, he’d probably just come in behind 20+ other prospects because of age, experience, potential.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 8, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thames and Drabek
Haven’t they lost their prospect status? Thames is imminently close if he hasn’t yet.
No lie, it’s actually pretty tough doing a prospect list for Toronto out of top 5 since there are so many good players that can be all over the place.
I think both Cooper and Loewen should be lower (loewen much lower). Stewart, Jimenez, Sierra, Crouse should be higher. I would also drop Hech a little further. His bat is just disappointing.
Maybe
I like Marisnick a lot, but Lawrie’s bat should be REALLY good. I don’t think he sticks in the infield and I still consider him an elite prospect just off the strength of the bat.
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Yeah
We were talking about him as Top 25 at the beginning of the year before he went ballistic.
by blackoutyears on Jul 9, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
you're probably right in that
Marisnick has a massive ceiling. But in this case there’s only so much that it matters. Lawrie’s got a pretty fair ceiling himself, and he’s just about ready for the majors. Marisnick still has a ways to go.
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If there is another Matt Moore in the near future it could be this guy. His numbers in SS-A are exceeding Moore’s from the same age.
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