Team that has placed most prospects on MLB Rosters
by drwmsu1 on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 PM EDT
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PrintI just read this (regarding the Fister/Furbush deal) in the Detroit News, and was very surprised:
"We speak less than some other teams about building up our players," Dombrowski said Saturday, referring to draft picks and prospects. "But every time we go to make deals like this, we have players others teams like." It's difficult to disagree. The Single A team at West Michigan is loaded. Turner, Castellanos, and Martinez have all been considered blue-chip or even elite talents. The Tigers have put more players on big-league rosters in the last five years than any other team.
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110730/OPINION03/107300394/Talent-rich-Tigers-could-afford-to-pay-dearly-for-M’s-pitchers#ixzz1Tk5cMICL
Now, I don't even know if this is true, and am not going to do the research to find out. I don't even know how it would be computed--would Austin Jackson count? He never played a minor league game for the Tigers organization. But, has this been the most underrated system the past five-seven years? Does this even say anything about a system? Not everyone from that period is a stud, obviously, but it would include a rapidly improving Cameron Maybin, rock-solid Brennan Boesch and Matt Joyce, Jair Jurrjens, Alex Avila, and Rick Porcello, amongst others.
Anyone else think this is interesting? Comments?
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First off, I wonder what guidelines he was going by.
Did the player have to play in the minors for the team, what is considered a prospect, etc…
This would be a fun exercise...
Pick one team, and research how many players their farm system has produced to the major leagues in the past 5 years. We’d need to set some minimum limits for both pitchers (starters and relievers) and hitters – i.e. would a 3 AB ‘career’ really count?
I’ll volunteer to take the Cubs…and set my min. limits as 65 ABs, 25 IP (SPs) or 10 appearances (RPs) – mostly arbitrary – I just halved the min. requirements towards lapsing rookie eligibility.
Also, what if a player hits 3 or 4 teams before reaching the majors.. does he count for every team?
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by Kenneth Arthur on Aug 1, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
good point...
I’d say that whichever system he plays for just before/as he’s breaking into the bigs would be the one who counts – in the example above, AJax would count for the Yanks, not the Tigers.
There's no perfect way of evaluating this
But I think the best bet would be to credit a player the org where he spent the plurality of his time in the minors (prior to first arrival in the bigs). That doesn’t solve everything either as an org who had him less time could have made a mechanical adjustment or taught him a new pitch or something, but at least it gives an objective, verifiable standard that is going to do what we want it to more often than not.
by dnc on Aug 1, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I did this experiment (sort of) last year as a part of my blog, but here were the criteria:
I assigned the player to whichever team signed him to his first pro contract. (either via draft or IFA).
I was trying to build an actual roster (relievers, bench players) potentially, but tried not to leave off clearly superior players.
Player had to be active as of when I reviewed the team.
You can read them here, but Atlanta, Seattle, Arizona, Toronto and Colorado were my top 5 ranked
It would be interesting to see if it has changed much in the last year.
The hard part regardless is determining which organization had the biggest impact in a player’s development. But the way I looked at it last year is more about an org’s ability to initially evaluate talent and sign it.
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by mathisrocks5 on Aug 1, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Cubs
Parent Team: Starlin Castro, Tyler Colvin, Carlos Marmol, Geovany Soto, Sean Marshall, Randy Wells, Jeff Samardzija, Darwin Barney, Andrew Cashner
Other teams: David Aardsma, Mike Fontenot, Rich Hill, Casey McGehee, Felix Pie, Eric Patterson, Ryan Theriot, Michael Wuertz, Mike Adams, Ronny Cedeno, Jake Fox, Matt Murton
Where to begin
Ronny Cedeno: Went past the 65 AB mark in 2005.
Mike Fontenot: Drafted by the Baltimore Orioles (19th overall) in 2001.
Matt Murton: Drafted by the Boston Red Sox (32nd overall) in 2003.
Mike Adams: Never even played anywhere for any Chicago Cubs affliate.
Seattle Mariners
Parent: Dustin Ackley, Michael Pineda, Carlos Peguero, Adam Moore, Cesar Jimenez, Ryan Feierabend(?), Matt Tuiasosopo, Michael Saunders, Shawn Kelley, Greg Halman,
Other teams: Adam Jones, Asdrubal Cabrera, Luis Valbuena, Shin Soo Choo, Brandon Morrow, Eric O’Flaherty, Jeff Clement, Chris Tillman, Kenji Johjima, Chris Snelling, Rene Rivera, Mark Lowe, Wladimir Balentien, Rob Johnson, Ryan Rowland-Smith, Emiliano Fruto, Bryan LaHair, Chris Jakubaukas, Doug Fister, Bobby Livingston, Brian Sweeney, Kam Mickolio, Nathan Adcock
Past 5 years mark: Alex Rodriguez, Jose Lopez, David Ortiz, Jason Veritek, Raul Ibanez, Greg Dobbs, Matt Thornton, Brian Fuentes, Joel Pineiro, Derek Lowe, Ryan Franklin, Rafael Soriano, JJ Putz, Damaso Marte, Yuniesky Betancourt, George Sherill,
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