Milb on 6/9
by Jersey Transplant on Jun 9, 2011 12:09 PM EDT
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Thought I'd get it going a bit sooner today... Got some good ones!
AAA: Felix Doubront, Julio Teheran, Adam Warren, Scott Kazmir (with his 16.20 ERA)
AA: Jacob Turner, Eric Surkamp vs Alex Wilson, Dellin Betances, Chris Withrow vs Arodys Vizcaino
A+: Chad Jenkins, Clayton Cook, Chris Hernandez
A: Brandon Workman, Edwar (hold the "d") Cabrera, Taillon vs Jesse Biddle, Roman Mendez vs Folty, Kyle Blair vs Austin Ross, Cameron Greathouse, Daniel Corcino, BJ Hermsen, Zach Lee, David Holmberg
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Where's the edit button... I got ahead of myself.
by Jersey Transplant on Jun 9, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
Chad Jenkins was promoted to the AA Fishercats yesterday
Dustin McGowan is rehabbing as a starter and might be getting the A+ start in his place.
Brett Eibner is back with Kane County
not sure if he will get the start though.
if he's healthy...
he oughta go right back into CF…
Sweet - Brett Eibner
I thought this was a great draft choice by KC. Well, that comment is like saying the sky is blue – the Royals know what’s up.
Xander Bogaerts has been promoted to Greeville
I don’t know if it will be permanent but It will be fun following him.
1-2 2 BB
next stop, Cooperstown
Brandon Jacobs of Lowell > Brandon Jacobs of NYG
Josh Sale and Stetson Allie
Whats the deal with these 2? Still top prospects, still in Spring training? or hurt?
Thanks,
Jax
SS
Both will probably be starting in short season leagues. Those leagues start up pretty soon (before end of June I believe)
Yep.
Allie’s been in EST to this point.
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
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This
is correct. Planned this way. He will join State College when they open up this month.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 9, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
SurKKKKKamp
Ready for another dominating start. Get the kid in the PCL already Sabes!
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 9, 2011 6:10 PM EDT reply actions
SurKKKKKKamp
6 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 6 K, 4-4 GO-FO
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. My Dunning is better than your Dunning, by a ton.
M-M-M-M-Mad, Mad to the Bum
BECAUSE HE IS GETTING CAIN'd
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 9, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
also MiKe KKicKKham
6 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 5 K, WP, 5-5 GO-FO
nice bounceback outings by Surkamp and Kickham today
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. My Dunning is better than your Dunning, by a ton.
M-M-M-M-Mad, Mad to the Bum
BECAUSE HE IS GETTING CAIN'd
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 9, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
fwiw
Kazmir’s velocity was creeping back up last start. Nothing to get tooo excited about, but he still has a soft spot in my heart. I just wish he could rediscover that slider he had.
by John Black on Jun 9, 2011 6:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
im so happy he flopped
since i am a mets fan
Flopped?
He may suck now, but he was very good as a Devil Ray.
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+1
V Zambrano for Kazmir is a all time blunder.
LOL STEVE PHILLIPS
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 9, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You sure about that
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 9, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
Phillips made plenty of bad decisions (Mo Vaughn, Roberto Alomar, et al)
from Baseball-ref:
“Biographical Information
Steve Phillips was the farm director for the New York Mets from 1992 to 1995, then assistant GM in 1996-1997. He was promoted to the General Manager of the Mets from July 1997 to 2003.
Also from BBref:
- July 30, 2004: Traded by the New York Mets with Jose Diaz to the Tampa Bay Devil Rays for Bartolome Fortunato and Victor Zambrano.
Thanks
My mistake
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 9, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem
Common mistake, Phillips was/is an idiot
In all due respect, I would make the Robbie Alomar trade 20 times out of 20
Robbie just lost it in New York.
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by Razors_Edge on Jun 10, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Boggles the mind
that you’d be happy about the misfortune of another regardless of whether he had anything to do with the god awful trade or not.
ok mother teresa
the guy is still a multi millionaire…i dont think we’ll ever see him kicking a refrigerator box around on the street and telling everyone he is moving.
by miraclemets on Jun 10, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He's facing Fresno
Against Dan Runzler, who the Giants are trying to convert into a starter
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 9, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
uh oh
here comes the bombs. Hosmer hitting ahead of him with ManBoobs behind him, the Royals are starting to get exciting again.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 10, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Taillon and Biddle
through 3
Taillon – 3 IP, 1 H, 1 HBP, 2 K
Biddle – 3 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 0 K
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 9, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
Taillon through 4
3Ks, H, 6-2 GB, one ball has left infield
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 9, 2011 8:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You
see Starling Marte has walked in two straight games? Minor miracle
Q. Miller had a good outing as well.
7IP, 5H, 0 ER, 2BB, 5K.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 9, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Two things re: Marte walks
1. He needs to walk more, even though he has cut down his Ks, somewhat dramatically.
2. People were worried about another high average, walk-less, fast OF named Tabata. He has worked out, walking in double digit % this year. I think it can come, but with his sped, Marte doesn’t have to be Jack Cust.
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 9, 2011 8:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh
I agree. It just can’t hurt. With his speed and high BABIP and a decent strikeout rate, he’ll get on base enough without many walks.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 9, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Taillon-Biddle
Rain Delayed.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 9, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Suspended
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 9, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
tabata always walked
his worst sample in the minors was 6.8% in his first go around at AAA. He was significantly higher at every level other than that. Idk where he gets his walk-less reputation from. Kg has described in this way as well
He averaged between 7.5/8%.....
BB rate in the Minors.
Considering that MLB average this year is 8.5%, it’s not inaccurate to label a guy with his Milb numbers to, at the least, be average-dependent in regards to OBP. This year, he has doubled his BB rate from his rookie season, so obviously he has drastically improved his approach at the plate, not continued with the one he had through the minors.
Marte will have to increase his BB rate as well, albeit to a smaller degree due to his plus-plus speed.
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 10, 2011 3:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Have you seen
Tim’s report on Marte’s BABIB at PiratesProspects.com? It’s really interesting and basically says that Marte’s BABIB has been extremely high for such an extended period that its safe to believe it will be in the future as well. Cuts down on the need for walks.
That's
exactly what I was saying. I based it off what i learned from Tim’s
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 10, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I read that as well......
I buy it, but would still like him to get close to 7-8%, as that would also mean he would be eligible to steal that many more times.
With his speed, arm and defense – plus a decreasing k rate at the highest level he has faced, I am hard-pressed to believe he could bust. Too many things going for him.
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 10, 2011 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
slightly below average
is far from walk-less. He is no delmon young. for a guy who ks as little as he does and tends to hit for a high average, a slightly below average walk rate is plenty
BB rates tend to decrease with level- ascenscion
So if he is under the MLB average – while playing in the Minors – it is fair to assume that he will be further below average in the majors.
The fact that he is walking at a 12.7% rate thus far this year is either indicative of a new and improved approach (my belief) or simply the result of a small-ish sample size. It is not a continuation of his approach from the minors……
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 10, 2011 5:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hamate Bone
It’s also worth noting that he broke his hamate bone last year, which quite possibly is still affecting his power. If he works a dozen homers into his game annually, he’s going to be a terror.
"Q. Miller"
Wow. Forgot all about him.
by blackoutyears on Jun 12, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
PAUL GOLDSCHMIDT !!!!!!!!!!!!!
1st at bat tonight .. HR # 21 .. RBI 59 Batting Average .351 .. He is not outlawed in most minor league stadiums … Seriously, if anyone thinks he is NOT the best hitter in the entire minor leagues they need to re-evaluate how the analyze players. This guy will be the next Albert Pujols and that is not blowing smoke. Playing is Arizona, it will be all GOLDSCHMIDT soon in the major leagues.
Goldschmidt
Mr. Goat, I am not an Arizona fan, and believe me, it’s not even close. Paul Goldschmidt is on on a whole different level than anyone this year. He is playing in a pitchers league and has never played AA before this season. Leading the league by a LANDSLIDE in almost every single offensive category. Nobody is dominating their respective league like Goldschmidt. It is not even close, take a look at the league leaders in each league. He is head and shoulders above anyone this year and is getting better .. Check his June numbers this month !!! WOW .. To compare guys in the PCL ( Rizzo or Lawrie) or CAL (Gyorko) league like some people do on here shows you don’t know much about evaluating players. Those are hitters paradise leagues compared to a pitchers league. If Goldschmidt played in the PCL this year he would have at least 30 HR’s right now and a batting average close to .380. Some people may laugh, but that is a realistic comparison between leagues.
First of all, you seem to be confusing “best performance YTD” with “best hitter in the minors.”
And second, I think both Jermaine Mitchell and James Darnell – both of whom, like Goldschmidt have an OPS+ north of 200 – might have something to say about “best performance YTD.”
by realitypolice on Jun 9, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Repeating the league
Darnell and Mitchell are in the very hitter friendly Texas league and Repeating the league … Huge difference
Third of all, the overall run environments in the SOU and TEX league aren’t nearly so different as you’re pretending. (And in 2011, both have been favorable to hitters )
Fourth of all, San Antonio is among the most homer-suppressing parks in the minors.
Fifth of all, OPS+ reflects performance against league context anyway…
by realitypolice on Jun 9, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
ummmm
care to prove this?
Fourth of all, San Antonio is among the most homer-suppressing parks in the minors.
thought it was pretty neutral, but if you have evidence to prove it, I’d be much obliged.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 10, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Baseball Think Factory... has the info based on Jeff Sackmann work.
According to the last three years weighted averages, (meaning numbers are compared to each league itself, but the SAL and TEX leagues have been close in most of their numbers of the last three years anyways (as per site realitypolice provided)) SA has the follow factors:
R: 0.92
H: 0.97
2B: 0.95
HR: 0.84
BB: 1.00
K: 1.02
So yes it would appear that it does suppress home runs to a degree, especially compared to Mobile:
R: 1.02
H: 1.00
2B: 0.97
HR: 1.14
BB: 0.99
K: 0.99
Its been what Padre fans have called the real test to our hitting prospects since PETCO opened, since if they can hit there is a good chance they can hit in PETCO, they are alot alike, with the exception that instead of lefties it harder on right handed bats.
Statcorner also confirms the HR suppressing nature of their park
67/58 HR factor for LHB/RHB. 90/90 for wOBA, similar to Petco (59/95 for HR; 90/92 for wOBA)
Nelson Cruz - 2011 MVP
Your hyperbole......
Totally diminishes your credibility. Also, this post and your screen name would seem to imply that you are an AZ fan. Which, obviously, is fine – but, again, lessens your credibility. You know, in addition to comparing a minor leaguer to possibly a top 3 RH batter of all-time……..
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 9, 2011 9:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Read carefully el bright one
Not comparing Pujols to Goldschmidt .. Wrote he could be the next Pujols. My screen name make me a Arizona fan ??? I don’t even like Justin Upton. Got to be smarter than that my friend
Nope
You read he ‘will’ be the next Pujols, not ‘could’ be. I have a suspicion you are under 15, but El Bright One could be in the dark on this one.
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 9, 2011 9:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WTF?
I don’t even like Justin Upton.
Am I missing something crucial?
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 9, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol
I was thinking the same thing.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day."
-Frank Sinatra
LOL
I tend to agree with you.
Regardless, I can’t wait to see Goldschmidt make his MLB debut. He is going to be a BEAST!!!!
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 10, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you win the award for least intelligent
poster I have observed on the internet for quite awhile.
redwolf75
I believe you thought Brandon Wood would be the next great major league HR hitter … Just curious how that is working out for you ?
by justinupton on Jun 10, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OUCH
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 10, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
with the Brandon Wood jokes. MANY MANY MANY people thought Wood would be a stud. Your point?
John gave him an A (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2006/2/13/153426/529) and seeing that John only gives out full-As to hitters rarely (methinks he only gave out 7 or so this year) tells me he liked Wood.
So, just stop.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 10, 2011 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
With this logic
Was Brandon belt the best hitter in the minors last season?
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 9, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
No
He’s the next Ted Williams.
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 9, 2011 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dan Johnson's season last year
If we are going to blindly throw out minor league stats and then expect them to completely translate to MLB (“this guy will be the next Albert Pujols”) then take a look at 2010 Dan Johnson in the International League last year:
.303 / .430 / 1.053
30 HR
95 RBI
75 : 71 (BB : K )
. . . and how did DJ’s first two months of 2011 in TB work out for him?
I like Goldschmidt but it is hard to say that simply because he is having a great season this year, it will obviously mean that he will be an All – Star MLB player.
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.
Repeating level and BA
Dan Johnson had played in AAA for how many seasons ?? And was he hitting .350 ??? Big difference. Key stat with Goldschmidt is its his FIRST year in AA. Not repeating the league. Batting average rising, check his JUNE STATS !!
23 years old in AA. I think he has a chance though.
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 10, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Evan Longoria was 22 or 23 in AA
Goldschmidt went to college … Lots of 23 year old big time prospects that come out of college … He obviously improved drastically over the past year though
by justinupton on Jun 10, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, no
This joins the growing theme of your posts. It’s just not even close to right.
He reached Double-A for 26 games the summer he was drafted, when he was 20. He played there for 105 games the following year, and was promoted to Triple-A about three months before his 22nd birthday. By the time he turned 23, he already had 27 big league homers.
by realitypolice on Jun 10, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Call up
According to many web sites Goldschmidt may be called up shortly. That leaves him nearly 100 games to hit 27 HR’s to match Longoria at the same age. You are just further illustrating my point ..
HahahahH
Except Longo was 22 when he did that, he turned 23 after the season ended. Goldy is 23 now and will turn 24 in season.
Goldy is good but I don’t see him turning the clock back a year or two.
I’m having trouble figuring out if you’re worse at math or reading comprehension. Either way, I think your third grade teacher is going to have to hold you back at the end of the school year.
by realitypolice on Jun 10, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
And by the way, if you’d like to put a wager on Goldschmidt collecting 27 homers in his first 100 games (I’ll even give you his first 100 starts) at the big league level, I’m quite happy to take that action!
by realitypolice on Jun 10, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
That's not old for the level
Paul Goldschmidt played three years at Texas State and didn’t have exposure above the California League prior to this Spring.
Who cares if it's his first year in AA?
Repeating a level doesn’t gain you knowledge of he competition, after all there is a turnover of something like 50% per year. And they do very little advanced scouting reports.
The only benefit repeating a level gives you is one more year of experience but staying at the same level of competition. Guess what? Goldy already has those extra years of experience from being a little older and from playing in a good school.
Further you continue to imply that the best stats currently in minor ball = the best hitter in minor ball. Every year we have an example of one of the best minor hitters not succeeding in MLB. By continuing on with this argument you are making people totally ignore you.
Baseball America
You obviously do not care what anyone at Baseball America thinks then .. All of their writers ALWAYS talk about how repeating a level is a HUGE advantage statistically .. Of course, anyone that really follows minor league players should know that
Logic fail
I stated that repeating a level can have a statistical advantage. My contention is that help is solely gaining more experience over the competition. Goldy is not repeating a level. He ALREADY has the experience over the competition. Your point is moot. Somehow I don’t think you will either read or understand what I have written.
Dan Johnson is good though.......
At least that is what homer Rays fans were trying to tell me before the year. LOL.
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 10, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
?
I am not an Arizona fan
then why is your name “justinupton”?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 10, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Think a little people
Deception is the internet’s hidden gem. My alt choice was ronkittle
you're seriously gonna name yourself after someone you don't like?
then why not name yourself Hitler.
go ahead. do it. prove your point.
Think a litte, child, and know when to shut up.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 11, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
You know there is a nice little tool online that gives you a nice easy way to see if you are in the ballpark with this kind of thing right.
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/mlecalc.html
I know its not completely accurate (considering does not take team construction or lineup config into play), but it does take the some of the guess work out of just coming up with stats on your own. By the way, according to the calculator if Goldschmidt was at Tucson he would have a stat line of .351/.469/.707 (OPS: 1.176).
Goldschmidt leads the National League in HR"S !!
Wow .. According to this site .. Goldschmidt would have 16 HR’s right now in the National League with a .282 batting average and 43 RBI’s !!!!! That would put him on pace for around 40 plus HR’s as a ROOKIE in the big leagues .
Try these guys, they are very good
http://www.pcrepairexperts.net/
They might be able to help you with that jammed caps lock button thing ;)
I don't think it is a stretch at all
Paul Goldschmidt has easily been the best hitter in the minors in my opinion.
What confounds me is that some seem to be surprised by his output when his track record has featured nothing but rock solid production. A very overlooked guy for some time & I’m enjoying his coming out party.
I don’t think anyone’s ever suggested his performance history coming into this year was anything other than impressive (although the K rate was at least a little concerning)… What I’ve heard consistently is a variation on “He’s had really good production, but it’s not too informative until we get some sense of what he can do about higher level pitching in less favorable environments.”
He’s certainly shown us what he can do this year!
Just to be clear, while I’m taking on “justinupton’s” claim that he’s the best hitter in the minors today, my three assertions throughout this conversation are that:
1) His performance so far this year is right at the top of the minors, but that there are realistically about four or five guys who have to be considered in that discussion;
2) Having the best performance over a two month window (whether you like Goldy, Darnell, or the two or three other names in the mix) is not the same as being the best hitter in the minors (which pretty much has to come down to Harper given age, projection, etc); and
3) “justinupton” has used a whole bunch of patently false claims (whether about league offensive environments, players’ ages, or even pretend restatements of things he’s already posted) as the foundation of his argument, all while taking the time to tell us he’s being “realistic.”
by realitypolice on Jun 10, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
‘Best hitter in the minors’ is pretty ambiguous to say the least. Brett Lawrie, Anthony Rizzo & James Darnell are certainly a few names that stand out from the upper rungs of the minors & Eric Hosmer was right there also before his promotion. I think concerns about Goldschmidt’s K rates were a tad pessimistic considering his power & skillset, but I understand the sentiment. The plate discipline #s in the SOU have been fabulous obviously though & his K rates have been sterling considering his profile thus far.
I am in complete agreement on Bryce Harper as the top prospect in the minors for what it’s worth. You know, even with the ‘questions about his hit tool’ (sorry, couldn’t resist digging at this inexplicably odd train of thought from earlier in the year..)
The best hitter in the minor leagues
Doesn’t make him the best hitter in the major leagues. The comparison to future hall of famer and one of the best hitters ever, Albert Pujols, is unbelievably horrendous.
Let's not forget also
He’s 23 in AA. However, his vanishing K rate is promising
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 9, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a great quote from justinupton:
“If Goldschmidt played in the PCL he would have an insane OPS around 1500. That wouldn’t even pitch to him.”
Yeah I wouldn’t bother taking this clown seriously.
No need to insult the guy
Disagree with his opinion but you don’t need to make personal attacks.
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 10, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Quote
Yeah, he has a 1200 OPS in a pitchers league… Obviously somewhat joking with that statement .. Not 1500, but something crazy like 1300++ … Kaorikaze is not the brightest bulb in the shed
by justinupton on Jun 10, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"the brightest bulb in the shed"
What does this mean? lol
by blackoutyears on Jun 12, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
uh oh
This guy will be the next Albert Pujols
hyperbole much? the guy’s in AA for God’s sake.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 10, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Pujols ref was just to get Goldschmidt respect
Obviously not serious, just think Goldschmidt deserves respect as the best hitter in the minors today. He will play in one of the best hitter parks in the majors so who knows ?
seriously,
one thing everyone can agree on is that nobody can predict what is gonna happen, so if someone makes a super-optimistic projection, who gives a fuck? One can dream
+ many as you got
I love this post.
By the way, Goldschmidt reminds me more of martk McGwire than Albert Pujols but, that is splitting hairs really.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
"Pujols ref was just to get Goldschmidt respect"
Because nothing garners respect like rank hyperbole? Well played.
by blackoutyears on Jun 12, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Ever heard of Harper?
Bryce Harper would blow a kiss to Goldschmidt as he is trotting up to the podium to accept his “best hitter in the minors” award.
numbers don't prove it
Goldschmidt’s numbers:
.350/.471/.700 @ AA with an iso of .355 and a K rate of 19.5%
Harper’s numbers:
.340/.433/..612 @ A with an iso of .272 and a K rate of 23.8%
Goldschmidt’s numbers are CLEARLY better than Harpers. Now, who’s the best hitter in the minors? You gonna use facts or hype?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 11, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I see what you did there
Tried to make it a choice between 2 things, giving the impression we only have those choices. Either you go by who had the best numbers or who was hyped more. Of course you deliberately left out scouting.
Further you implied using numbers was going by facts and the other choice isn’t facts. But hype is a fact as well. Harper has been hyped like crazy and that is a fact. This fact is based on various news agencies reporting on him. Based on very good scouting reports.
To answer your question I will take hype, thank you very much.
by pedrophile on Jun 11, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will actually pick the best HITTER
And the best hitter is Harper.
If you don’t believe me, go read a scouting report. It’s getting pretty ridiculous on this board how people are relying on stats. This community is becoming more stat-based than PP.
"more stat-based than PP"
Timely, because PP is becoming much more scouting-oriented. Like ships in the night…
by blackoutyears on Jun 12, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
future Seth Smith
I think that they have several Seth Smith like guys- Wheeler, Blackmon, and, of course, Seth Smith ;-)
Their of could be stacked in a few years. CarGo, Smith, Wheeler, Blackmon & Parker? Maybe somebody in that mix moves to 1B when Helton retires. Fowler is left out in the above scenario. I assume Spilborghs will be traded or leave via free agency.
Yeah
If Blackmon can stick maybe Wheeler moves to Colorado Springs? Blackmon, btw, just missed playing the hero, hitting a nice oppo field fly with runners on that the Gwynn laid out for, making a gem of a catch.
by blackoutyears on Jun 12, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Teheran is DEALING
8 IP, 3 H, 0 BB, 11Ks. monster.
Solid night for Braves starters
Aaron Northcraft 5IP 2H 0ER 4K/4BB
Chris Masters 7IP 4H 1ER 9K/0BB
Arodys Vizcaino 5IP 5H 1ER 5K/3BB
by realitypolice on Jun 9, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
He doesn’t have Ace potential though………………..
LOL
but he does have King of Spades potential……………
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 10, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Teheran's ERA back under 2 (1.98)
Just 20 years old. Wow.
by John Black on Jun 9, 2011 10:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Teheran
Still the best pitching prospect in the minors, despite people wanting to leapfrog Miller and Moore over him.
Teheran is STILL younger than both of them, and is dominating a higher level. I don’t really understand how he isn’t the concensus number 1 pitching prospect
I love me some Teheran
Apoyo a los Cafeteros!!!
by DominicanDandy on Jun 10, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD!!!
Jose Altuve 2/4, HR, .438
He can’t stop laughing at AA pitching.
by John Black on Jun 9, 2011 10:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yep
He was hyping this kid up on Fantasy Focus the other day.
Big Sexy
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 10, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Andrew Hutchison, SLEEPER
6IP 3H 0BB 9K
Almost a mirror image of his last start except with less groundballs
I read mid 90’s in a Lansing article but obviously take it with a grain of salt because of it was a local newspaper
mid 90s
Would eliminate the rumors that this guy is doing it on polish and not stuff. There’s been different reports on him this year… BA had mid 90’s earlier in the year, while Goldstein hasn’t had the same info.
Mike Trout HR #7
He’s a pretty good player.
by John Black on Jun 9, 2011 10:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The hype
is still too much. Will be a good player, but not a superstar.
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 9, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
You’re asking whether or not someone would rather have an established 24 year old TOR starter or a hitter that’s in AA?
>mfw
Yes I am asking that question
Cause i’d trade Hanson for Trout in a heartbeat! Hanson is going to become expensive soon and he’s a Boras client as well! Plus the Braves need hitting and speed in the worse way!
smart trade though
as a Braves’ fan…we have TONS of pitching in the Minors who are ready (Minor and Teheran) and Hanson WILL be expensive VERY soon. The Braves need RH hitting, speed and a CF. That’s Trout.
So, your point?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 10, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
did you
just say Marte is the same of Trout?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 11, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope, gotta read more clearly
You said the Braves “need RH hitting, speed and a CF.”
Marte is right-handed, plays center field, and is very fast. I never mentioned Tommy Hanson or Mike Trout.
Angels are in desperate need of hitting as well. Trading for Hanson makes little sense
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Jun 9, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
neither team would explore it. But If I were the Braves and were offered Trout for Hanson, I’d do it.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 10, 2011 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Easily
Yes
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 9, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
In a second.
Big Sexy
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 10, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
If he can keep developing his power he'll be a star.
He’s still young enough that power may come, I’m not saying a 20+ HR hitter but a 15-20 HR hitter with his 2B, 3B and SBs He could be a star.
by DominicanDandy on Jun 10, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
He could be a Crawford type in CF
Big Sexy
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 10, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
and good speed
in a run environment that is making that skill more valuable (assuming run scoring doesn’t suddenly increase again.)
Nelson Cruz - 2011 MVP
Pat Corbin
Tossed up 7 more eggs before allowing his first run in 27+ innings in the 8th. Ended with a pretty decent line
8 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 10/1 K/BB
Last 4 games, 4-0, 27 2/3 IP, 16 H, 1 ER, 37/6 K/BB
What's the scouting report on Corbin?
I don’t know much about him but I remember reading that he’s a control artist?
Corbin's pitches
Not sure if he added velocity this year, but his FB is in the upper 80s. He is crediting his recent success to adding a new knuckle-curve pitch to his FB/slider combo
Chris Withrow
a pretty good start …
6 IP 3 H 1 R 1 BB 6 K
only 79 pitches…
53 IP 53 H 26 BB 53 K 5 hr allowed on the season
He needs to pull off a run of good starts
To get back on the prospect radar. I thought I heard they were thinking of sending him to the pen. Good start nonetheless.
Some Rangers
Roman Mendez: 5 IP | 8 H | 4 ER | 3 BB | 6 K
Barret Loux: 7 IP | 5 H | 2 ER | 1 BB | 5 K
Loux is awesome. Can’t wait until he gets to Frisco
>mfw
Derek Holland tonight
I realize that it’s MLB and not MiLB, but 7 1/3. He gave up a 3 run homer to Cuddyer so the runs are deceiving. And in the inning with the HR, the ump blew a call badly where they should have been out of the inning. Anyway, 7.1, 4 ER, 1 bb, 10 ks.
zach lee getting back on track
5 IP 4 H 1 R 2 BB 5 K
Go to PiratesProspects.com
For a thorough review of Jameson Taillons performance tonight, including breakdown of velo, swings and misses, breakdown of pitching repertoire, etc.
Excellent site, excellent write-up, and excellent abbreviated outing by James.
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 9, 2011 11:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Awesome
The Orioles have a good combination in Machado and Schoop.
by DominicanDandy on Jun 10, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Machado...
6th Homer of the year tonight in 107 AB this year.
Current Line of .308/.414/.570
Scary!!
by Arlo Brunsberg's Swing on Jun 10, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Xander Bogaerts
Solid in his debut 1/2, with 2 BB and an RBI.
by DominicanDandy on Jun 10, 2011 12:14 AM EDT reply actions
Vitters
2-4, 2b, and HR #6. He’s been walking more and hitting for more power the last couple weeks…
Dellin Betances
6IP | 3H | 0R | 1BB | 8K
Stud
by Arlo Brunsberg's Swing on Jun 10, 2011 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
Hak-Ju Lee
2/5 | 2 2B | 1R | 1SB
Current Line : .349/.432/,495
w/ 17 SB
by Arlo Brunsberg's Swing on Jun 10, 2011 12:31 AM EDT reply actions
turn of calendar
to june seems to have done him some good. he was slumping with the bat at the end of may.
Cubs
Iowa trailing Round Rock, 8-1 in the 4th when game was suspended.
Alberto Cabrera: 3.2 ip, 8 h (1 3 run HR), 4 bb, 8 R, 3 K’s. Just not sure why the Cubs keep trotting him out as a starter in AAA. Might as well let Robert Coello get smashed and let Cabrera work in AA. That said, Cabrera’s future is probably in the pen, if he is to have a shot to pitch in the bigs.
Tennessee beat Carolina, 9-3.
Junior Lake: 2/4, 3 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 E.
Ryan Flaherty: 3/4, 1 R, 2 2B, 1 RBI, 1 BB. Season line: .313/.394/.587.
Steve Clevenger: 2/4, 1 R, 1 3B, 1 BB.
Josh Vitters: 2/4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 1 E. Last 10 line: .324/.351/.471. Can he keep it up?
Daytona lost to Lakeland, 4-3 in the 11th.
Zach Rosscup: 3.2 shutout, 2h, 1 bb, 6 K’s, 2:1 GO/FO. Quietly having a solid season in A+ as the “extra” piece from the Garza deal (only was in NYP/GCL for the Rays). Was his 23rd birthday. May get some time in AA later this year. One thing Hendry and Co. do fairly well is mine the A ball ranks for under the radar pitchers in deals.
Matt Loosen: 3 ip, 4 h, 1 bb, 3 K’s, 1 R, 0:4 GO/FO.
Evan Crawford: 2/5, 1 2B, 2 RBI. Season line: .339/.407/.448.
Jae-Hoon Ha: 1/5, 1 2B, 2 K.
Justin Bour: 1/5, 2 K.
Logan Watkins: 2/2, 2 R, 2 BB, 1 SB.
Peoria lost to W. Michigan, 3-1.
Matt Szczur: 0/3, 1 R, 1 BB.
Ryan Cuneo: 1/3, 1 RBI, 1 K.
Micah Gibbs: 0/3, BB, PB.
DSL Diamondbacks beat DSL Cubs 1 6-3.
DSL Cubs 2 beat DSL Phillies 7-6.
Flaherty
has to get a shot soon, doesn’t he?
by blackoutyears on Jun 12, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Rizzomania!
MLB Debut
1-2, 1 SO, 2 BB, 1 3B (Two feet higher and it would have been a HR. Absolutely crushed.)
Rizzo is going to be good but great point you just made
He crushed it and the ball did not go out .. In the PCL that ball is 40 rows back … In Petco you better hustle .. Petco will kill his HR numbers
But I don't understand.
Mccovey Chronicles said he was a terrible pick!
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 10, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I felt that there were better players on the board
guys like Stetson Allie, Aaron Sanchez, Matt Lipka, Mike Olt, Noah Syndergaard, and Peter Tago were guys that I really liked more. That being said, Brown wasn’t an awful pick; I liked it then more than I like Joe Panik now. I didn’t expect to walk as much as he is doing, but he’s got good contact ability, game-changing speed, and plus to plus-plus defensive in CF. He only needed to be a slightly below average hitter to be a good player, if he was average with the bat, he would be a fringe star with his baserunning and defensive skills.
However, I absolutely did NOT trust the Giants management to encourage, teach, and groom his plate discipline as it appears they have now; the Giants don’t have a good track record with that type of stuff, and have often shown indifference to the base on balls. I don’t know what the deal is, but they’ve done a much better job the past couple years getting their hitters to appreciate the walk, and I’m loving it.
The Giants didn't groom his plate discipline.
He was simply hitting .438. He had a skill in College with a metal bat to hit everything thrown for high efficiency and went with it.
Now, with a wood bat, he realizes he can’t hit everything thrown at him for solid contact and has adjusted accordingly, selecting good strikes to swing at.
I’d also point out the philosophy at Fullerton is a small ball approach, not strike out and put the ball in play.
These are many things about Brown that Mccovey Chronicles messed up because they are too arrogant about walks and fail to use context properly.
Now as for his defense, I have him as a future 65 defender but right now he is currently a 40, he needs some good reps in center because he still takes very strange routes to the ball, but his speed makes up for some of it.
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 10, 2011 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
and another
. . . complete whiff by our prospecting community. Do people really think Joe Benson has a better chance to hit in the big leagues than this guy?
Also, I like Gary Brown but, does he remind anybody else of Eric Byrnes? In lots of ways. Skills, appearance, style, even looks.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
Obviously not in the looks department
but I have always thought GB reminded me of Shane Victorino with a little bit less power
Decent comp.
I think Byrnes had a little bit more power, but Brown has more speed, and think he will be a higher OBP guy.
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 10, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If you didn't know CaseJud
Brown has GAME CHANGING speed. An 80 on the scout scale, he has the speed to turn a blooper that falls into a double. We’re talking 50-60 steals per year potential.
I think Jacoby Ellsbury might be the best comp. for him
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 10, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Brown leave the clubhouse on a monkeybike?
…they should send down Huntington & Nutting, because they aren’t ready, either. - royshowell
by Marinerfanjake on Jun 11, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he's still in HiA
at a 22.5 year old. He’s old for the league and SHOULD be doing what he’s doing.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 10, 2011 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He's doing what a high class talent of his age should be doing perhaps
Yet not all 2010 college draftees in HiA are replicating what Gary Brown is doing.
I agree he should be promoted in short order, but I sometimes tire of the Keith Law-esque jabs at age relative to league to explain somebody outperforming ‘consensus expectations’.
This is true
He actually is exceeding many of his classmates at this level but the real test will be the Eastern league in the 2nd half of this year. Of course, the Giants might have him skip AA and go straight to the PCL like they did with Posey.
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 10, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Why skip AA?
GB should be promoted to AA within the month. If so then GB would still get 200 ABs at the AA level this season. The Giants then could send him to AFL. A spring training invite would then be in order for 2012.
At this time there is nothing holding back GB from being the future everday CF/leadoff man for the Giants than development time.
I agree, I would send him to the EL
I’m just saying the Giants might have him skip AA entirely like they did with another polished college bat like Posey.
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 10, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Travis d'Arnaud
2-4, 2B, HR, .312/.399/.529
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jun 10, 2011 2:12 AM EDT reply actions
turned the proverbial corner?
how long until he’s the Jays catcher and Arencibia is traded?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 10, 2011 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Travis D'Arnaud
I’ve been fond of D’Arnaud’s prospects but I really, really like JP Arencibia. He’ll never be replaced with a Molina behind the plate but he has more aptitude than given credit for & the natural power is real. He looks to me as though he could be a very good offensive catcher for a long time – kind of like what some thought Chris Iannetta would become perhaps.
I think that D’Arnaud might be the more probable trade chip assuming he is major league ready soon.
..never be confused with a Molina
Not ‘replaced’, sorry
Asher Wojciechowski
7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 5 K
9-5 GO/AO
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jun 10, 2011 2:14 AM EDT reply actions
Zach Stewart
6 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K
6-3 GO/AO
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jun 10, 2011 2:20 AM EDT reply actions
Daniel Corcino
surprised no one posted his outing. i looked it up, and now i know why…it was pretty bad
only
5.1ip, 7h, 2er, 0bb, 8k, 5-1GO/AO
pretty mediocre for someone who posted
7ip, 3h, 0er, 0bb, 10k in the last game.
That's not even that bad
8:0 K:BB is right in line with recent dominance. 39:2 K:BB in his last five starts? Wow.
by blackoutyears on Jun 12, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Edwar Cabrera
7 IP, 9 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 7 SO
Over 78 IP in the Sally (12 starts)
11.88 K/9
1.85 BB/9
1.089 WHIP
Already at age 23.5, any chance this kid gets promoted anytime soon?
Tyler Thornburg
Forgot to post one of his better starts: 7IP 4H 2R 2ER 1BB 10K. 67:21 K:BB in 61 IP. I thought he was a sleeper coming out of last year’s draft, and he’s performed well, though he is a college pitcher with good stuff in Low-A.
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