MILB 6/7
by rdf8585 on Jun 7, 2011 3:03 PM EDT
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While most of the focus remains on the draft, there are games to be played today and some interesting starting pitchers.
Such as -
Lollis, Odorizzi, Spruill, Wieland, Peacock, Locke, Familia, May, Brackman, T.Walker, Goodnight, Cecil, Eovaldi.
And perhaps some others that are currently listed as to be announced.
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familia v peacock
going on right now. pretty good matchup.
neither involved in the decision
familia 5ip 5h 2er 4bb 5k
peacock 5ip 5h 3er 2bb 9k
Jose Ceda
Fanned the side for his 16th save of the season for AAA-New Orleans. If Leo Nunez starts to get too expensive for Florida, as many others have before, Ceda looks like a promising replacement. He has an 8/34 BB/K in 26.1 innings, with 20 hits allowed and just 3 ER.
Dee Gordon
batting first for the dodgers against Roy Oswalt
3-3 so far off oswalt with a steal
man, dude is fast as hell, worth the price of admission just to watch him run the bases. very exciting guy to watch play. dont know if he’ll ever hit the ball more than 300 feet with his slap swing, but wow he’s exciting to watch.
He's hit 7 HRs in 3 years in the minors.
by Taylor Maricle on Jun 7, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Flash might be the better nickname for Dee
He’s definitely fast. He has the definition of 80 speed.
I think Baseball Tonight
had him at 3.2 or 3.2 second to first? And he scored from second in six seconds. My wife’s gasp when she saw his frail build was probably the typical one for first-time viewers. lol
by blackoutyears on Jun 8, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
cant find the zone AT ALL
48 pitches only like 20 for strikes but the phillies have not been able to hit the ball in the air at all…. GB after GB getting rubby out of these jams… only 1 run allowed
still solid though
finished 5ip 4h 1r 1er 5bb 4k
against a good phils lineup at philadelphia. left up 4-1 in line for the win
I would argue it is
With Utley back and Brown up the lineup is pretty darn solid.
these daily updates have really turned to
shit
by another know it all on Jun 7, 2011 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 7, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This always happens during the week surrounding the draft
Everybody is paying attention to mocks/rumors/actual picks/signing rumors/draft grades/etc. These threads will be back to normal by the end of the week.
Whatever happened to mrkupe?
He was a standout contributor on these and elsewhere on the site. Saw his name in the draft thread but otherwise he’s disappeared.
Come back kupe!
by FI2 on Jun 8, 2011 1:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing a little while back before I saw him in the draft thread yesterday.
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jun 8, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
He'll be back shortly.
Bullpen Banter's Top 100 Prospects for 2011!
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You can find my musings at Bullpen Banter and Beyond the Box Score.
Cubs/Beeler
One of their top arms, Dallas Beeler, got the bump from Low A to AA. Decent start so far, 5 shutout, 4 K’s, but has given up 7 h. Off the top, stuff is loosely low -mid 90’s fastball with decent movement, solid slider, decent curve (or do I have that flipped), and decent-solid change.
Odorizzi
5 ip, 8 h, 1 r, 0 bb, 5 k
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
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Yordano
5 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 1 bb, 4 k
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
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Billo in relief
4 ip, 3 h, 0 r, 0 bb, 3 k
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Brad Hand debuted for the Marlins tonight...
And did great!
6 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K
Anyone got the lowdown on this 21 year old lefty?
by John Black on Jun 7, 2011 9:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i like him
but…we’ll see. wasn’t pitching that great at AA before the call. he may surprise but i’d be surprised if he had sustained success at this point.
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
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Luv ya Stix
. . . but, what the hell are you talkin’ ‘bout? He was leading the SL in wins, and was 11th in ERA, and is 21 years old. didn’t K a ton of guys but Kd 17 in last 17 innings down there.
I’d say he was pitching pretty damned well.
Another COMPLETE whiff by our scouting community, of course.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
He was leading the SL in wins
lol
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Jun 8, 2011 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wins aren't too important over an individual season
But good pitchers tend to average a high amount of wins over a career.
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 8, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
They have thier biases, of course. Nobody reads the top ten in wins like its a list of the best pitchers or anything anymore but, I still find them worth noticing, even in an individual season.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
wanna see him walk less guys
he was pitching well, but not lights out. just think the transition will be difficult for him.
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Hand
pretty mediocre walk and strikeout rates. His last three starts had been better but that still bumped up to a strikeout rate under 17%, and I usually like to see a prospect getting through the seventh inning more before I get too excited. I haven’t been liking the decline in groundball rate as he advances either. He’s on the radar, but there are a lot more interesting guys out there imo. This year’s Sanabia in Fish parlance?
by blackoutyears on Jun 8, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow i mean I'm one of his biggest Fans
Twins tried hard to pry if from Marlins when they had a chance to do so, Good for Him and good fro Florida
They need some left-handed pitching bad…
Wow though didn’t expect that good of start in #1 up there
Glen Perkins is throwing 97 MPH in 2011 !!! ~Currently on the DL~
Big fan of Juerys Familia and his repitoire
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 8, 2011 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I would certainly
give him a “hand” after that performance… okay okay lame joke = P
I drink your milkshake! I drink it up! Well Mr. Plainview, Devin Mesoraco and I drank lots of milkshakes, and we will drink yours too!
by ChalupaCabrera on Jun 8, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
DreamMatch: Brad Hand vs. Doug Fister
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 8, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Going to invent a catcher whose last name is "Grabass" just to battery with Hand.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 8, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Er in MLB The Show.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 8, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Taijuan Walker left his start after 2 IP
Anyone know why??? He wasn’t getting rocked: 2 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K
by John Black on Jun 7, 2011 9:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
from Taijaun himself
“Only got 2 innings today, not hurt, just back sore from sleeping on it wrong. Should be good to go tomorrow and get ready for Sunday!”
That’s a relief. I think he’s the 2nd best SP in low A (behind CMM).
by John Black on Jun 8, 2011 2:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ya
Taijuan over Taillon?
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 8, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I love his swing
He may be a speedster, but he knows how to drive the ball. It’s not a slap swing like Gordon or a Dex Fowler. This may be why he has struggled with the Ks in his minor league career, but we have seen some significant improvement in that area. Keep the K rate down and this kid could be a legit first division starter in the OF.
A link for those of you interested
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJk4_zoyCEo
This almost 2 years old, but it shows how he actually can drive the ball with his extension.
interesting
Marte’s definitely opened some eyes this year.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 8, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Ackley
2/2 with his 9th HR of the year so far. 16 doubles, 3 triples…..I seem to recall complaints about his lack of power. A guy who walks a lot more than he strikes out, sprays liners all over the field, hits 15-20 homers and 35-40 doubles, and plays passable (if not good) defense at second is a pretty valuable player. It’s sort of an odd comp physically but I have a sort of Pedroiaish vibe about him.
thats not a very good comp at all
Pedroia is a right handed hitter who swings out of his cleats and may be the best defensive 2B out there right now. Ackley is a smooth swinging lefty who plays average to below average defense at 2B. They really have nothing in common at all
"This has got to hurt"
"The Mets are going to be a powerhouse in 2010."
I didn't mean physically
I meant in terms of potential statistical profiles. Ackley will walk a bit more but the park difference will sap some power.
Incredible Turnaround
Walking even more than before, pounding the gaps, and starting to find the swing that puts the ball over the fence. The swing is beautiful, and it looks like the confidence never wavered when the BABIP was extraordinarily low. I’m not sure where the water level truly is for Ackley with his BABIP, but I’m not complaining if it’s closer to the last month+ than the first.
Haha, I remember when a significant proportion of people on here
thought he was done back in April. People were ranking him as the 50th best prospect. How reactionary.
Right
Because he has now PROVEN he is a big league star by virtue of being 26th in the PCL in OPS . . . where guys like Jesus Guzman, and Jeff Bausley are.
I ranked him 35th I believe. I may have ranked him too low. I think I did. But he was still ranked too HIGH by most, in my opinion. Especially compared to GIANT community whiffs like Lawrie and Rizzo ijn the same league.
Lawrie didn’t take 3 months to adjust to AAA picthing. More like 5 mionutes. EVERYBODY ranked Ackley higher than Lawrie.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
That's not what I said. Desist in using egregious strawmans.
All I’m saying is that people should be not so reactionary about small sample sizes.
by redwolf75 on Jun 8, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"egregious strawmans."
But if you take those away, he’s got nothing! lol
by blackoutyears on Jun 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Dudes
He was hitting POORLY for a longer stretch than he has been hitting WELL! Its reactionary to see his month of May as the emergence of a superstar, isnt it? According to that logic.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
Last I checked, 31 days in May + 8 days in June so far > 30 days in April...
Y’know what, though? I’m done with Ackley arguments. I really am.
I want him called up now, not so I can see him perform, but so he can sink or swim and we can stop fucking talking about him.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 8, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a reason why he has not been called up yet
And I am 99.99% sure it is NOT because of anything he has or has not done at the plate.
Adam Kennedy.
Hard to displace a veteran player having a resurgent year (.286 / .327 / .449) with a rookie. Not sure Wedge would do it anyway.
Some are speculating that Peguero is the one to go down when Ackley is called up. Not sure I agree. Right now the M’s have 5 outfielders (Ichiro, Gutierrez, Halman, Peguero, Carp [just called up yesterday]) and 6 infielders (Smoak, Figgins, Wilson, Kennedy, Rodriguez, Ryan). They’d be trading in for 4 outfielders and 7 infielders. Or 8 infielders if you count Carp as a first baseman…
Anyway, with Guti still not being 100%, going down to 4 outfielders might not be a great idea. Halman is his only backup, so who do you play in left if you want to give Carp a day off?
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 8, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It is a dilema
. . . one option that crosses the mind looks like waiving Chone Figgins and playing Kennedy at 3b but, man that takes a lot away from the infiled defense. Brendan Ryan/ Adam Kennedy have been outstanding up the middle.
If they didnt do that, then It would almost have to be Peguero, wouldn’t it? I’d let Carp roll with things in Leftfield and let Peguerio continue to play in AAA, like Saunders. Even though I like Peguero, and have been impressed, he is clearly not really an everyday guy in a pennant race is he?
Carp may not be either but, he is a more experienced player and, a better hitter at this point.
By the way, the answer to your last question is Halman. Halman can stll move over to CF late in a game even if he starts the game in LF.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
Peguero's power is intoxicating.
His swinging at garbage and low contact rate aren’t. Someone called him a lefty Wily Mo Pena and that might be apt. I think a lefty Wlad Balentien comp is more fair, but whatever.
Figgins is an idea. I’m just about done with him. Tough to have to eat the remaining ~20 million on that contract, but if he’s not producing and isn’t going to turn around, what good is he? Kennedy has only played a few dozen games at third, so there’s no way to know if he’s any good at it. Jack Wilson might be able to slide there, but that doesn’t solve the “Where does Ackley play?” question.
I don’t know. It’s a conundrum.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 8, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Peguero is tantalizing,
and he even looks good in enough PA to give you hope until he, as you say, swing at complete garbage. Nice tools package though, and he seemed to have the makings of a solid OF. How has he looked this year, TTIF? IIRC he flashed a very nice throwing arm in the Futures Game last year.
by blackoutyears on Jun 8, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Like a left handed Wily Mo Pena.
Considering this is his first go-around in the majors, I think he’s making some progress. He’s learning to get a bit more selective with the pitches. It’s subtle, but noticeable. He got the green light 3-0 last night and turned on a pitch, yanking it, as Jeff @ Lookout Landing put it “impossibly foul”. He then worked a walk on a 3-2 curveball in the dirt that he had been swinging at a week ago.
Progress? Not sure. Anyway, hopefully he’s learning something because his out of zone swing % is retarded. Pablo Sandoval can get away with that since he has the ability to make contact at a ML average rate with even garbage off the plate, but Peguero doesn’t have that kind of contact ability, so he looks bad doing it. If he can get more selective I think he can be a serviceable player.
He’s at .221 / .277 / .429 with a .208 ISO based on 4 bombs he’s hit. Best case scenario? If he gets the walk rate up to league average, he could be a Russel Branyan type bat. But that’s a big if at the moment.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 9, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude
The entirety of last season is included in that record, not just this April.
I was not making an argument about Ackleys abilities or sample sizes but, people are acrting like the folks =who thought he SUCKED were using a small sample size….
He underachieved from April 2010 to May of 2011, and has been hitting the snot out of the ball since.
To be honest, Im done with the argument too. I can;’t wait for him to be up.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
Underachieved?
He did fine last year, aside from… again… a miserable April. Look at his month to month splits. They’re not great, no, but they’re far superior to his April 2010 or his April 2011. The boy has only had two horrendous months out of eight. The rest of the time he was hitting well enough while getting used to hitting at the pro level.
Now he’s turned on the jets. There is a such a thing as a prospect “figuring it out”. I realize that some folks’ expectations of Ackley were retarded (“He should have been hitting from day one!”; “Top prospects should hit batting lines like Gods!”), but c’mon now.
All of these arguments have been a bitch fest of expectations being met or not met. It’s been all about our own personal biases and perceptions of what we “feel” someone should be doing. Every single person has been arguing as if they’re some kind of expert. None of us knows jack. So why do we stick to our silly perceptions as if we matter?
Like I said, I am so done talking about Ackley. Bring him up already Z. I want him to make veteran ASAP so everybody can move on to the next guy we’re all going to argue about incessantly.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 8, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Alas, I do agree with this
. . . it has been about the perception and the ranking of him.
I disagree with your evaluaation of his 2010. I think it was disappointing, as a whole but, like you said, that is about our opinions of him, peesonal biases, and perceptions.
Keep in mind though, as a guy who has “idiot” in his name but clearly isn’t one, that all of our perceptions are not inaccurate. It may not be “important” but it isnt random either. At least MY perceptions :)
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
Humility isn't a four letter word, y'know. =p
Perceptions are opinions; accuracy or inaccuracy doesn’t really apply. Unless your opinion is something that can easily be proven wrong like… “I think the sea is made of jello”.
Honestly at this point, the stats don’t mean shit to me. I’m only concerned with the skills. If the skills have developed, then let him play. If not, then keep him down until they do. Either way, I’m anxious to see him.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 8, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Agreeing with someone you have differnces with is a form of humility, isn’t it?
I agree with you in the sense of this . . . regardless of how right or wrong or what kind of larger point I or anybody else was trying to make when talking about Ackley . . . it has all been said. All thatys left is to see how he does and, for me anyways, to learn from it.
I want the mariners to win so, I hope he is a good major league ballplayer. I dont even expect anything more. I’m anxious to see him as well. I think he’s going to be a very nice leadoff man for us.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
I dont do backpedaling
I just admit I was wrong.
About Lawrie, you DO realize that he doesn’t need to hit .354 and slug .677 at the age of 21 to be considered a very good hitting prospect.
You are discovering NOTHING when you point out his hitting stats are inflated in Las Vegas. Are you saying he isn’t going to be a good, big league hitter?? Lets see YOUR backpedal.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
I think Lawrie's going to be a very good hitter.
I just think people have gone overboard in ramping up their evaluations of his bat based on his gaudy zero-gravity numbers. I think he’s probably going to be a little better than we thought before the year started, sure. Superstar bat? Nope.
In a way, I agree
The consensus of the major lists ranked him as the #42 best prospect and he is a LOT better than that, not a little.
I ranked him #13 on my list pre-season, among the MANY players that I ranked higher than anyone who have done well. That siad, even I don’t necessarily think he’s going to be a SUPERSTAR. I think I compared his skills to AAron Hill – the good Aaron Hill. Thats a hell of a player.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
'Good Aaron Hill'
Oh yeah, I remember that guy..
Anyhoo, I think Brett Lawrie has offensive superstar potential. Everybody seems to relish pointing to the PCL/Las Vegas environment, etc but Lawrie is barely 21. Ryan Braun was still in Coral Gables at this age & Lawrie is basically decimating everything in his path in a veteran-heavy professional circuit. I don’t think 3b is a lost cause from what I’ve read as Lawrie is a gifted athlete but even if he’s a left fielder the bat will lead the way. I’m buying.
Im buying too
. . . and it is tough to have the “superstar” debate because we don’t all view the deffinition of it the same. I’ll say this, the 2009 Aaron Hill was pretty damed close – sure handed second-baseman with 35 homers. If Lawrie is a simlar player at third – close enough!
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
I hate Aaron Hill
His demise has been heartbreaking for Jays fans. That 30+ homerun year made him think he was a power hitter. It is like he forgot that he doesn’t have to always swing for the fences.
Big Sexy
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 8, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel you KBR
. . . as a fantasy owner of Hill, he went from a cornerstone player to a .200 hitter in one season. Your explanation does seem possible. He looks lijke he’ll be alright this year though.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
John thinks he is going to be superstar level
It isn’t just Toronto fans that are high on this stud prospect. Even the experts like John Sickels think he is poised for stardom.
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 8, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind
Ackley doesn’t play in a high-elevation launching pad.
by mkries on Jun 9, 2011 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He does sometimes. Teams do go on the road.
Also, Mike Curto (the play by play announcer for the Tacoma Rainiers) has been keeping a tally on the number of home runs that would have bounced off the high walls Tacoma had before this season. Last I checked, the number was something like 22.
Another Mariner fan on LL (I think) pointed out that he thinks the lowered walls don’t directly have much to do with the increased number of long balls leaving Cheney Stadium so much as the changing of the stadium overall has effected the WIND CURRENTS that used to be less of an influence and now appear to be helping push some balls out. I do not know how much of that I would take as gospel, since there needs to be some longer term studies done to confirm it. But it might explain a few things for the Rainiers pitching staff having the worst HR/FB ratio in the minors.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 9, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Wieland
7 IP | 6 H | 2 ER | 1 BB | 5 K | 2 HR
Joe Wieland’s Walkless Glory RIP 4/18/-6/7/2011
>mfw
Jeff Locke back on track?
6.0IP 6H 1ER 1BB 8K 6GO/3FO 1HBP
Hopefully this is a good sign that he’s back on track. Like to see him in AAA by next season.
by rblythepittsteel on Jun 7, 2011 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
Hes been maintaining a high k though.,....
Really, he needs to walk mores.
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 8, 2011 12:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*less people, not 'mores'
Drunk is my excuse…….
by CabreraKilledMyChildhood on Jun 8, 2011 2:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Enny Romero
Figuring it out, at least for one night. Six hits and a homer in 6 IPs, but also 11 K against only 1 bb.
Mike Carp
Called up.
Known as a quad A player, but he has been ridiculous with 16 HR’s since May 1st. He just may hit well in the majors this year.
he's been rippin' it
Does he play everyday for the M’s? LF or DH?
by John Black on Jun 7, 2011 11:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He will play everyday until he plays his way out.
follow @casetines
by Kenneth Arthur on Jun 8, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
AAA
J Sands was rippin it too…sadly, the beaver faced rookie is sucking BADLY
by Rupert Pupkin on Jun 8, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, Sands seems a bit overmatched
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 8, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
Well, let’s see, because even his biggest supporters didn’t think he was as good as Jason Bay maybe? lol
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
You must've slept through the Bay debates earlier in the year.
I envy you for that.
Really
I’m the only guy I know of who put Sands in his top 50 prospects and, being the #49 prospect doesn’t make you as good as jason Bay. That makes you someone who might make it, or might not.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
maybe because all rookies dont come up and because superstars
i would think someone like u would know that but i guess not
or maybe
theres a chipmunk in Sand’s family tree. Man, look at those choppers!
a ba ba booey to y’all
by Rupert Pupkin on Jun 8, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Carp
Has only had 90 AB in the majors. That’s not nearly enough for someone to label him an AAAA guy.
especially
with a .350 OBP in those Abs
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
Stud
alert.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 8, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This is probably Cleveland's way to see what they have in Phelps
Is he just a utility guy, or a legit starter at 2B or 3B? Looks like they will give him plenty of ABs to make that call before Kipnis/Chisenhall arrive.
I’m very interested to see what the kid does with the PT.
That's what I'm talking about
Very interested to see how he does, especially how well he meshes with A. Cabrera on the turn. Acta says Phelps will start over O Cabrera for now, so it looks like a legit shot.
by blackoutyears on Jun 8, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Rizzo is in SD!
To have doctors look at his hand. :(
If his hand is all good, maybe he stays though.
follow @casetines
I heard
he’ll play this weekend if cleared.
by blackoutyears on Jun 8, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
and his alter-ego wasn't so bad either
Edinson Rincon, who remains the other half of the 3B/DH platoon in Elsinore was also 5-for-6 with a double and homer and seven RBI. He also managed to commit three more errors, giving him 16 in 29 games in the field.
by realitypolice on Jun 8, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Profar
i loves him. he’s just super cool.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 8, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Jurickson Profar son of Judeska and Chesmond
he is tired of all this talking and is ready to play baseball
>mfw
nathan eovaldi
Nathan Eovaldi, usually a starting pitcher, made his first appearance for the Lookouts out the bullpen. Last pitch of the inning was 101 MPH, according to the Lookouts radar run (which usually very accurate within 1 MPH). Speaking of serious heat, Aroldis Chapman has just entered the game.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=177142199010157&id=159893660735011
Eovaldi
What is he doing coming out of the bullpen? He’s had a pretty good season this year as a starter.
Thanks
I was wondering why he’d gone just the inning. 101 mph? Man alive.
by blackoutyears on Jun 8, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
christian bethancourt
2/3, 2 2bs
he’s a bit better at the plate this year. however he still can’t figure out how to take a pitch. it should be noted that he’s also repeating. nonetheless, .286/.304/.434 isn’t bad for a 19 year old catcher in the sally… what do y’all think???
Colin Cowgill
Ok, so he’s not a top prospect but he hit for the cycle for the Reno Aces. Could see him as a 4th/5th OF with the D-backs this year
5-6, HR (11), 3B (5), 2B (13), 4 RBIs, R, SB (18)
Pablo Sandoval
. . . hit a home run tonight for Fresno.
I thought this would be a good opportunity for people here to RE-RANK, and evaluate him since he was a COMPLETE WHIFF by the community here – couldn’t sniff a top 100 list despite crushing the ball in the EL, playing for Connecticut, at the age of 21.
Shoot, there are people who STILL don’t give him credit for being a good hitter.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
Give people a break.
Fat Ichiro lost the “Fat” part. Before that, it was justifiable to be skeptical of an overweight player who swings at everything. To be fair, he’s also not swinging at stuff out of the zone as much as before, but he’s still amongst the tops at swinging at crap. He’s got the bat speed to make contact with a lot of pitches and takes a fair amount of walks, but he’s going to be the kind of guy who will live or die by balls in play finding holes. It might explain why we had a good rookie season then a bad second. The BABIP is like night and day for those two seasons.
I find him an intriguing player. He’s what a lot of us hoped Jose Lopez might turn into.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 8, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to givge people a break TTIF
. . . but some people on here take ranking and evaluating ballplayers seriously. Sabdoval, as a pure hitter and a defensive player was woefully underrated and there isn’t a particularily good reason for it. All that is too be learned by it is that you shouldn’t rank players based on how you think thier bodies look, thats it.
Jose Lopez was a fine ballplayer for us until he fell apart last year. He’s still young enouigh to get it together if he gets his head on straight. I think he may be one of thiose players who has made his money, and thats it – no more ambition.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
I know people take this seriously.
Hence our argument / agreement above about perception. Body type, though, is a lot more conducive to long term health than anything else. Sandoval was doing himself no favors by having the extra bulk. So even if he was seen as a good hitter, the possibility that he would have a medium to long career would keep him down on some people’s radars.
For the record, I don’t pay much attention to anybody’s prospects outside of Seattle’s, so I didn’t have an opinion on Sandoval one way or the other. Again, I just find him fascinating. Then again, I love a fat man. Everybody loves fat men. Babe Ruth, Santa Claus, The Fielder Family, Kung Fu Panda (both the animated character and Sandoval) etc. That Sandoval has lost the chub is beneficial to his long term health, but it has made him a bit more boring.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jun 9, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Good players come in all sizes
I agree that being fat isn’t healthy but, It doesn’t change the fact that Sandoval can HIT and is a decent athlete too. There are countless guys with nicer, trimmer bodies who were ranked higher than him, who can’t play ball. Thats all Im talking about.
He’s still plenty round enough to be fun and its his personality, slashing swing, and aggresive apporach that make him exciting – and he’s still got that!
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
Where is Alskor?
Has ever eaten his well deserved crow for whiffing on Sandoval?
Ryan Verdugo....The next Jonathan Sanchez.
Dick Tidrow knows pitching.
by AngelsFlyWhenTheyTakeThemselvesLightly on Jun 10, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He couldn't sniff a top 100 list
because he wasn’t eligible for a top 100 list — he had 145 AB/154 PA in the majors in 2008. (Which is also why he “couldn’t sniff” a RoY vote in 2009…)
Prior to that, he didn’t look like anything special; in 2007 he posted a SLG-heavy .788 OPS in the hitter-friendly California League as a 20 year old, earning a C grade from Sickels and not placing in BA’s top 30 prospects. His highest grade from John was a B- way back in 2006.
How convienant
. . . I doubt he would have made a top 100 list in the 2008 off-season anyways, the way people around here were talking about him. He was and is still relatively un-appreciated.
Any time there is a whitewash of a player – a miss – I always try to find a reason why it SHOULDN"T have happened. 20 year old players in the Cal are ones to watch, even if they aren’t having as good of years as the 22 or 23 year olds there.
BA didn’t do a very good job of spotting his talent there. It seems like they took a look at his body and, stopped looking. whats funny is that he is reasonably fast, athletic in his way, and a decent third-baseman.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
Dudes I like
Dayan Viciedo – COMPLETE community whiff 22 year old AAA slugger, went 3-5 tonight and is hitting .312/ .361/ .525 on the year.
Paul Golschmidt walked twice, singled, scored twice. He’s having quite a year eh?
If he stayed in the SL all season he is on a pace for these numbers . . .
.344/ .461/ .674 – 504 Abs 45 Homers – 126 RbI – 119 Runs – 107 BBs- 339 Total bases.
He is 1st in the league in HRs, Runs, Rbi, BBs, and TBs, as well as OBP, SLG, and OPS.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
I don't know casejud
I think you overestimate Viciedo a bit…. sure the bats there….but i think he’s 24 and a half in addition to a shitty left-fielder DH
type
He’s not top 100, not even now
Glen Perkins is throwing 97 MPH in 2011 !!! ~Currently on the DL~
Big fan of Juerys Familia and his repitoire
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 8, 2011 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He isn't 24 and a half
He’s 22. Big difference. If the bat’s there, then why does he have to be a good leftfielder too?
If he cannhit in the big leagues, he is a lot better than a top 100 pick . . . in my opinion.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
I would wager
that SHS was implying that it’s possible that a Cuban national team member might possibly be a bit older than his reported age.
by realitypolice on Jun 8, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yessir
I understand that. he alswo has no proof, Dayan looks young, and does Cuba have a big histtory of this? I don’t know. I’m going to go with his listed age until’ I have reason to believe otherwise or else, all is chaos.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
The Dominican republic is the known place where this happens
They have “agents” who systematically do this. And thus people say it doesn’t happen in Cuba, Venezuela, etc. Which is false. It’s very easy and very cheap to make a donation to a church to get a baptism cert and papers. Or to bribe other officials or purchase documents from others.
Age should only affect physical projection. After all we know how many years of baseball experience, that can’t be faked.
Emaus
5-2-3-3, HR, 3B, 2B
Since being picked up by COL, .347/.411/.653/1.064, 4 2B, 2 3B, 7 HR, 11BB:12K in 95 ABs.
The Mets have certainly done better with Turner than they were with Emaus
But I wish they’d found a way to hold on to him.
Wouldn't lose any sleep over it
Doubt the Mets were even halfway concerned with keeping him in the system. Toronto obviously wasn’t exactly jazzed about his re-arrival considering the quick trade they executed.
Lawrie
Out 2-3 weeks with a fracture. Going to have to wait until July to see him in the bigs.
this sucks
with the depression of Jeryy Chipmunk Sands I was really hoping lawrie;s promotion would cheer me up. Oh well, now i’m back to looking at Dodgers box scores, when they score 7 runs but Sands is 0-4 w 3 ks.
by Rupert Pupkin on Jun 8, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He
was my fantasy gem (Lawrie). Now I don’t know what to do.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jun 8, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
surprisingly sands didn't K as much as i had thought he would
a pretty good K;bb ratio actually
He keeps either driving the ball hard straight to the RFer or grounding out to third/short weakly.
/observations from a dodger fan
by Taylor Maricle on Jun 9, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
he will turn it around, methinks
I like the kid…he’ll be ok.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 9, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
His batted ball stats seem to show he's having trouble making hard contact.
He’s only running a 14% LD% so far, and a 5.3% HR/F. He’s hitting a lot of balls on the ground, and one of his two homeruns (both off of lefties) was a squeaker that barely cleared the wall.
Sands isn’t swinging at too many bad pitches, but his passive approach is leading to a lot of strikeouts to go with the walks. Usually you see that players with that approach wait for pitches to hit, and hit them hard, but that doesn’t describe Sands so far. He’s watching the third strike at a rate almost twice the league average, even though he’s barely above average on swinging third strikes. When he does make contact, the best he can do is roll doubles down the line.
The problem is that he doesn’t seem to be hitting anything hard in the air. Maybe that’ll change, but I don’t see it happening yet. It’s not bad luck. He’s overmatched by MLB pitching at this point, at least by the right handers. I think he needs some more time in AAA if he’s going to be anything more than a very good platoon bat.
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