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What to Look For when Prospecting


It is only in the last few years that I have gotten into prospecting, and I don't think I am the only one around these parts.  So, I wanted to ask the community, when you go out to the park to see your local minor league team what do you look for.  So many parks don't post speed data, and you might only get 3-4 ABs to evaluate a hitter or 2-3 chances for a defensive player, so what clues do you look for?  What makes you say "this is/isn't the guy I thought he was?"

 

 

My own input, I look for pitchers that work quickly, especially when ahead.  That tells me that they are confident in their pitches.

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by Marisa Ingemi on May 7, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Ideally, yes

But not all of us have the time/money to go to a dozen games a year, and in reality the BA guy or guys like John never see most of these guys that often. I was simply looking for input on what people look for in a “snapshot”. no need to be condescending.

by ADLC on May 7, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speed

Bat speed
Arm speed
Foot speed

You don’t need to see a guy 4-5 times to recognize any of these attributes. And you know them when you see them.

Look for pitchers who make hitters look uncomfortable and off-balance at the plate. Does a guy hit his catcher’s glove or is he just trying to get the ball near the zone. Does he have a good breaking ball? Does he get ahead of hitters? Does he get swing-throughs when he throws strikes, or do most of his swing-throughs come from hitters chasing outside the zone?

For hitters, look for how balanced they are at pitches they don’t swing at. Does the batter have a plan at the plate or is he just flailing? Can he drive the ball? If you only have one chance to see a guy, catching batting practice can help. It’s always a bummer to travel to see a guy then he only swings it once or twice during the game.

I’ll try to follow up with this thread, but feel free to email me with additional questions (adamf@projectprospect.com) or hit me up on Twitter (@AdamWFoster).

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by Adam Foster on May 7, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pitchers

Do the pitches come out of the same arm slot? Is the arm speed the same on all pitches or does it slow on secondaries? How complicated are the mechanics? Are there repeatability issues? How much effort is in the delivery. How many pitches does he have? Does he command all of them?

Hitters, I look at where the player loads his hands (high, low), do they come straight forward or does he pull them back? Is there a bat wrap? How is his back side? Does it collapse? How is his weight shift? Does he end up on his front foot before contact? What’s his timing mechanism? Toe tap? How many taps? Does he lift and plant? How does he handle/recognize various pitches?

by blackoutyears on May 8, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

with hitters, get out for BP to get a sense of their raw power, I generally like to see shorter swings with less moving parts and a good path to the ball, defensively and on the bases look at their first step and try to gauge overall athleticism and build (present and future)
for pitchers consistency, see if they can mantain their stuff as the game progresses, their repeortoire, basically try to see if the guy can be a starter long term, and I like to see guys compete out there.

by THESWAMI6 on May 8, 2011 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

on catching BP. There are a lot of guys who are BP wonders that can’t carry it to games, and it can be hard to tell if a guy is one of those or just having a bad day in limited viewings, but you’ll get a lot more swings to log.

To piggyback swami, the ability to compete is the sort of thing that gets derided as an intangible, but it is something that can be measured if you have enough viewings. Mound demeanor is something to pay attention to. Does the pitcher have bad body language when things go wrong? Does he show up his fielders when they make errors? What’s his facial expression under pressure? I just got a second look at a kid named Taylore Cherry this weekend (h.s. junior, RHP) who’s a UNC commit and a good bet for first round consideration in 2012, and both times his demeanor has been exemplary. His actiosn are measured and deliberate and he’s been on a completely even keel. He could give up a three-run homer or be pitching a perfect game and you’d never know the difference to look at him.

With hitters I tend to like guys with good hands and wrists. Eric Hosmer is a good current example of a guy who lets his hands and wrists provide the power. Joey Votto same thing. Both of these guys can drive the ball, and even their ground balls are hard hit because of their ability to roll their wrists at contact. They also tend to have better barrel awareness as Adam would say, and cover the plate better.

by blackoutyears on May 9, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

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