Paul Goldschmidt
by tt68 on May 14, 2011 11:43 PM EDT
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PrintPaul hit his 14th home run tonight and now is OPS'ing north of 1.200 for the year. Even more remarkably is he has continued to hit with monster power despite making a huge turn around in plate discipline. Last year he walked 57 times while striking out 157 times. In about a fourth of the PA's of last year he has already walked 30 times and struck out only 22 times.
Where does he rank now? He wasn't in BA's top 100 nor was he one of the top 60 positional prospects on the community list at this site. Would he be there now?
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He hast to AT LEAST be somewhere in the middle….
If his last name was Schmidt and he was the son of Mike Schmidt i’m fairly certain he’d be top 10 right now.
Terrible argument
Shooting yourself in the foot there. Your placement of Goldschmidt is fine I guess, though I disagree with you, but your argument based on the over-hyping of sons of former major league baseball players is horrible.
by auclairkeithbc on May 15, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Way to overreact to a tongue-in-cheek statement. Really promoting intelligent discussion there…
by pooptallica on May 15, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
Thats a pretty viable argument. The son of a former STAR would get 1) an initial uptick based on pedigree when they are first scouted. Then, they would usually get the benefit of the doubt on an small sample size arguments. Im not saying he would be top 10 now, but there is no question that if you combined his history with the added plus of “Bloodlines” he would be higher then he is now.
on the flip side
if Tony Gwynn Jr’s name was Tony Finklestein, I doubt he’d be in the majors.
by Rupert Pupkin on May 15, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so sure
. . . there are MANY, MANY kids of stars just as big as Tony Sr. who didn’t make it to the big leagues – Pete Rose Jr, Clemente’s kid, Mattingly’s kid, etc, etc, etc – and I doubt Clemens’s kid catches many breaks down in the minors.
You may be right though. Its hard to say. I DO think that Tony Jr. being a very, good kid – like his Dad – has helped him get there, and maybe stay there.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
Oh
As they say, Talent will win or lose out on its own. No one makes a ML career on the back of a name. BUT chances, especially 2nd or 3rd chances, come easier to someone with a name. Gwynn may be a pretty good example. There are probably 50 guys in the minors (or retired by now) who could put up similar numbers to what he has, but he got his chance, more then once, when others didnt. And yes, his attitude/energy may well be all thats keeping him up at this point, but without that name we are left to wonder if any team had let him stick around long enough to show that other stuff.
Yes the statement might be true
But the ARGUMENT is that because the son of a former star gets ranked unfairly high, so should Goldschmidt.
by auclairkeithbc on May 16, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess that's the problem
With referencing how sons of former major leaguers are treated to inform the discussion on how a someone that is not in that grouping should be treated. Maybe there are a couple ways to read into it, but at best it does nothing to justify his first statement, and is completely meaningless.
by auclairkeithbc on May 16, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Seeping into the back of top-100 lists right now
Maybe in the 80-100 range. Chance to keep climbing up as the year progresses, but I’m not making him a top-50 guy before we get halfway through the year.
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by Dan Strittmatter on May 15, 2011 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
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