Career Profile: Matt Joyce
Career Profile: Matt Joyce
The winner of the most recent Guess the Prospect! contest chose Matt Joyce as his topic for a career profile. We did a Not a Rookie on Joyce a couple of years ago, but it is a good time to revisit him and see where things stand.
First, here is what I wrote in 2009.
The Tigers drafted Joyce in the 12th round in 2005, out of Florida Southern College. He had a mediocre junior season and scouts rated his tools as just average, but he had impressed Detroit officials with good performance against them during a spring training scrimmage. His pro debut was very strong: .331/.397/.453 in the New York-Penn League, posting a +26 percent OPS and showing excellent strike zone judgment with 30 walks against 29 strikeouts in 245 at-bats. I rated him as a Grade C+ in the 2006 book, with a sleeper notice, needing to see data from higher levels, but liking the early numbers.
Promoted to West Michigan in the Midwest League in 2006, Joyce hit .258/.338/.415 with 11 homers, 30 doubles, 56 walks, and 70 strikeouts in 465 at-bats. That may not look great on the surface, but his OPS was still positive at +9, and the high walk rate/low strikeout rate combination was still intriguing. I gave him a Grade C entering 2007, noting that he might increase his power and was worth keeping a close eye on.
The Tigers jumped Joyce to Double-A in 2007 and he responded with a .257/.333/.454 mark, with 17 homers. His strikeout rate spiked up to 127 in 456 at-bats, but his walks remained OK and his isolated power increased by 40 points. In the 2008 book, I noted his performance but expressed some concern about his strikeout rate, and the fact that despite the power increase, his OPS relative to league actually dropped to +7 from +9 the year before..
However, there was something about Joyce that made me think I had a chance to develop. I wrote "I have no objective evidence for this, but Joyce strikes me as the kind of player who might be a late bloomer, sneaking up on us maybe in '08, but more likely in ‘09".
As you know, Joyce split 2008 between Triple-A Toledo (.270/.352/.550) and the Tigers, hitting .252/.339/.492.
PECOTA comps aren't glamorous... the best one is Bobby Higginson, showing up at number four on the PECOTA list. PECOTA really hates Joyce, giving him a .226/.306/.404 projection this year. Shandler is much more optimistic at .259/.335/.478 and believes he has 30-homer potential. Given that the Tigers traded Joyce quickly, perhaps they agree more with PECOTA and were selling high.
Personally, I don't think what he did in Detroit last year is a fluke. I think he's a .240.-.260 hitter with solid power from the left side, so my expectation is closer to Shandler than PECOTA. I like the walks, and I like the fact that he doesn't strike out excessively for a guy with power. He's not going to be a star, but he should prove quite useful. Right now he needs to get healthy, as a leg injury has cost him most of spring training.
How do things look now?
Joyce hit just .188 in 11 games for the Rays in '09, but in '10 he hit .241/.360/.477 in 216 at-bats (WAR 1.8), posting a strong 131 OPS+. This year, he's leading the American League with a .358 batting average, with a .410 OBP and .569 SLG, giving him a stunning 177 OPS+. He's 26 years old, so this could be his career peak season in progress.
Joyce is now a career .264/.356/.501 hitter over 697 plate appearances. Put into 162-game notation, it comes out at .264/.356/.501, 130 OPS+, with 33 doubles, 22 homers, 64 walks, and 114 strikeouts in 528 plate appearances. His career WAR is now 4.7, and he's a good defensive outfielder at the corners according to RAA.
Although Joyce is unlikely to sustain a .358 average over the course of a full season, I don't think his overall productivity is a fluke. I thought he'd be a .240-.260 hitter with power and OBP. He's come out on the high side of that expectation. Although the shape of his success (power and OBP) is what his minor league record would imply, the intensity of that success is not fully predicted by his minor league numbers, nor his college performance, which was mediocre.
There was something there, though, that I couldn't put my finger on but was aware of on some level. As I wrote in the 2008 book, "I have no objective evidence for this, but Joyce strikes me as the kind of player who might be a late bloomer." That bloom has been pleasant indeed.
6 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Well this guy looks like he could be a good major leaguer,
all that detroit got for this guy was Edwin Jackson and they traded him for Max Sherzer or how ever you spell it. The trade joyce for Max to me is worth it. JOyce is having a good season but i dont think he will keep it up, and to me max is a good 2 3 guy.
Are you kidding? Detroit raked in this deal
They were able to get Jackson for the best year of his career, trade Jackson then to get Scherzer, Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and Dan Schlereth. They got a huge haul that is 1 Good SP for a really good SP, future star in CF in Jackson and a decent late rotation/late bullpen arm in Coke and a decent arm in Schlereth.
Sam Bradford
i have seen Coke and im really not a fan.
Jackson well be an average or maybe a little better CF. yes i agree they did win the trade for sure tampa lost but as for the diamondbacks trade i uno about that one.
Granderson was in that deal too though
College athletics are corrupt and I suspect wrestling may be scripted
Thanks John
Joyce has gone through the ringer a bit in Tampa being up and down and platooned since being traded. This year he still has pretty much been platooned but many of us think that, that will end with his success and the much stronger need for a platoon at SS or LF. If he can keep up success it looks like another trade that Andrew Freidman did that was ridiculed off the bat, turn out well.
Back in the day
I saw Joyce becoming a Corey Hart type of player production-wise. While that’s starting to look a bit less accurate (probably won’t ever develop that type of power/speed combination), I could see him putting up a few seasons of .280/.360/.480-.500, approaching 20 homers, and putting up some good counting numbers. That being said, I have been a proud Matt Joyce owner for the better part of the past three years
by If you can't beat 'em... on May 14, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions

by 
















