Milb Gameday, May 10th
by casejud on May 10, 2011 4:59 PM EDT
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PrintHere's some hurlers who have yet to take the mound today . . .
AAA- Neil Ramirez, Vin Mazzaro vs Barry Enright, Mike Minor, Andrew Brackman, Rudy Owens
AA Ball - Jeurys Familla makes AA debut, Manny Banuelos vs JC Ramirez and his weird stat-line, Jarrod Parker
A+ and A - Tyler Skaggs, Allen Webster, Jake Odorizzi, Chad James, Alex Colome, Colton Cain, Enny Romero, AJ Griffin vs Hayden Simpson
Already a sensational matchup is in the books, and neither pitcher disappointed . . .
R. De La Rosa 7 2 1 0 3 8
M. Moore 6 2 0 0 4 7
Trying to find any reasong, or evidence, that one of these guys should be the #13 prospect and one should be the #136 one (the pre-season concenceus on Moore and De La Rosa) but, Im having trouble. If one is #13, the other should be #14 I would think. Something to discuss maybe?
Martin Perez 6 3 0 0 4 4
Mike Trout went 3-5 with 2 Doubles. Got average up to .327. He may be pretty good ballplayer.
Bryce Harper went 2-5 and is hitting .377. He's hitting .377 . . .just for the guys who questioned his hit-tool.
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Rubby
Isn’t on top because he caught on late. Everyone knows he has a plus-plus fastball, but many scouts were questioning his secondary stuff. RDLR has a plus change up and he’s working on his slider. If you watch his start against the Mariners on Dodgers.com, his slider isn’t as bad as people believe.
If the prospect rankings were conducted right now, Rubby would easily be top 30. No one can argue that.
As for Moore
21 and mowing down guys in AA… He hit his high in walks in this game, but he’s had a great season. Didn’t allow an extra-base hit today and you could ignore the 4 walks to a point, because he’s had plus-command this year.
by Julio Nievas on May 10, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He reminds me a little bit of Edinson Volquez
But throws harder
Throws how much harder than Volquez?
Volquez sits around 93-94 and pumps it up to 96/97 routinely. I think his avg velo is probably Top 10 in MLB when looking at the last three or four years.
by blackoutyears on May 16, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
By the start of next season Rubby will be the Dodgers top prospect and likely one of the top 25 prospects in baseball. I’m extremely excited about this kid. Not only him, but Zach Lee, Allen Webster, and Garret Gould are killing it right now themselves. With Trayvon and Gordon as well the Dodgers should have 6 guys in the top 100 prospects by next season. Very exciting.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
I think I'd bet on Withrow re-emerging before I'd bet on Gould as a top 100 guy
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have u checked out how gould is doing so far this year
his fastball is back up consistently to the low 90s with his already Great curve
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I’ve seen a lot of #3 type of upside surrounding him. I haven’t seen him myself, but if that’s true, it’d be harder for him to crack a top 100 as someone in the MWL with that kind of ceiling. Withrow’s stuff isn’t really a question; it’s whether he can control it. I was encouraged by his first few starts even if they weren’t loud statements (more strikeouts and more ground balls).
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He's having an excellent year at only 19 years old in LoA
Unless he falls off the map I don’t see him not making it or at least being considered. I’d also love to see Withrow re-emerge as well, that would be sweet.
"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"
Harper is due to come crashing back down once his .435 BABIP corrects itself
Trout’s GB% has went way down this year which is significant as he is hitting the ball in the air much more this year.
yeah....and then he's still got the insane 80 power and the walks and the 80 arm
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by billybeingbilly on May 10, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
he's probably got a sweet LD rate too
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by billybeingbilly on May 10, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
and he’ll still be hitting .300/.380/.600 as an 18 year old in A ball. pretty good, i know.
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he's just trying to make sense of his anti harper stance from the preseason
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by billybeingbilly on May 10, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
i forgot about that.
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I'm getting sick of the BABIP talk
I’ve already had it on my list, but it is moving to the top for June 1.
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Agreed
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by King Billy Royal on May 11, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
THANK YOU!!!!
Not saying he will always hit over .400 BABIP but…..
Manny Ramirez – Career .338 BABIP
Jim Thome – Career .321
Miguel Cabrera Career .344
Not everyone should always hit .300 BABIP! Yes, that is the average, AVERAGE!
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and that average does fluctuate
from year to year and has changed over history.
Nelson Cruz - 2011 MVP
Which is all the more remarkable
Because he hasn’t had the BABIP advantage most other AL East players have gotten through his career of getting to hit up the middle against Derek Jeter.
by realitypolice on May 12, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Lol - I'm not surprised you bring it up
aren’t you the guy who called him a semi-bust like 5 games into the season?
What IS the significance?
Not sure I see it. Trout hit .341 last season and is hitting .327 this year.
By the way, I dont think anybody thinks Harper will hit .377 but, I wouldn’t put anything past that kid.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
That was sarcastic, right?
Who on earth has any questions about Bryce Harper’s ‘hit tool’?
Hit tool... Quite a few people.
He has a lot of swing and miss in his game. Pointing to the BABIP was just a mistake tho
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odorizzi 6 batters 5 ks so far
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by billybeingbilly on May 10, 2011 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
AA soon i've gotta think
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by billybeingbilly on May 10, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy Shit
Not bad for the consensus #59 prospect eh? I imagine he has probably moved up some lists with his performance thus far.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
not just toinght either...its been all season
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by billybeingbilly on May 10, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I meant thus far this season, he has been something
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
51 K, 8 BB this season
can’t imagine he’s in high-a too much longer as billybeingbilly pointed out.
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Why
. . . does everybody have to move up just as soon as they have some sucess? Not picking on you Stix at all but, this is his 4th start where he has been going more than 3 or 4 innings. I’d let him keep rolling here quite a while longer myself.
the Royals have been pretty aggressive about moving guys up though haven’t they?
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
once they dominate a level for what seems like 7 or 8 starts...
they move em up
its not like he’s got a fluky shiny ERA…he’s completely dominating
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by billybeingbilly on May 10, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
well i agree with the premise
i didn’t mean immediately. i see him in the Carolina league for at least 2 more starts, but may be no more as long as he’s a man among boys. i think there is a difference between having some success and simply needing a new challenge. and i think if Odorizzi has two more great starts, he will be at that point.
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I agree that he is dominating
. . . and its certainly not that I dont think he can’t handle it. he probably can. I still just like to see a kid have a chance at a couple of months of sustained sucess without breaking his rythm.
I look at John Lamb last year. He got 13 starts and he was dominating just the same. Then again, John Lamb is younger than Odorizzi NOW.
"if it first you don't suceed, maybe you just suck" - Kenny Powers
+1
But Odorizzi, as someone here said, is a poor man’s Greinke.
We shall see.
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by criminal type on May 10, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
High praise
How poor exactly? I like Jake Odorizzi quite a bit but I don’t know if he’s the specimen that Zack Greinke was/is as far as overall athleticism & projectability go.
poor mans greinke meaning greinke non 2009 in my mind....
which is a very valuable pitcher
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by billybeingbilly on May 11, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
13 ks in 6 ip
He’s gotta move up in June. He’s not being challenged. 51 Ks in 32 IP with only 8 bbs.
Trevor Reckling
First four innings — 2 H 0 ER 0 BB 4 K 44 pitches
Last three innings — 6 H 3 ER 1 BB 4 K 2 HR 49 pitches
Not a horrible seven-inning stint, but roller-coaster performances aren’t rare for him.
Still, he only turns 22 in a couple of weeks, so maybe there’s still time to be patient.
What is the opinion around here that he will make a solid No. 3 or 4 in the next couple of years?
I doubt Reckling ever amounts to anything at this point
maybe a LOOGY
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by mathisrocks5 on May 10, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Dayan Viciedo
Totally unmentioned this year but my #35 prospect
he is 3-3 with his 5th homer tonight. Still doesn’t love the walk but, he’s hitting .301
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Tough one for Harvey
3.2ip, 7h, 8r, 1bb, 3k, 2hr including a first-inning grand slam (His ERA just almost tripled to 2.97 :) )
All 6 of his batted-ball outs were on the ground, incidentally.
harvey
hopefully the bad outing isnt a result of injury. Wow, what a lousy effort
by Rupert Pupkin on May 11, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe he put added pressure on himself after Familia was promoted
by Razors_Edge on May 11, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he just had a bad outing?
by realitypolice on May 11, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Leonys Martin news
(Newberg) According to multiple local reports, Texas is assigning newly signed Cuban center fielder Leonys Martin to AA Frisco, where he’ll report Thursday. Martin has been in extended spring training in Surprise for a couple weeks, hitting .438 in game action.
Edward Salcedo
2-3, HR. So far his walks are way up and strikeouts way down compared to last year, so it’s nice to see some progress — I worried that he was fatally flawed based on his discipline last year.
Seems that he got pulled early from tonight’s game too, not sure why.
his skills are catching up to his tools, and FAST.
he could be up in Atlanta in 3 years. Now, If only Heyward could stay healthy and Freeman could get comfortable at the plate.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 11, 2011 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Danny Ortiz MIN
3-4 HR tonight, still tearing up Low-A. 21 year old 5-11 166, and not much speed though, I don’t think I’m going to byte,
Elbow
Been sore all year, and as far as I know he’s strictly been the DH. He went back to Minny to see the head doctor like a week ago but I haven’t seen anything since
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Mike Minor
7 IP, 1 ER (a solo HR), 3 BBs, 8 Ks. He belongs in the bigs, but doesn’t have a spot there.
He would have been working on short rest
It was Teheran’s turn in the rotation anyway, so it just made sense to call him up.
we (the Braves) seriously need to trade some pitching for a bat
Jar Jar? Lowe? Heck, Hanson? We could get some SERIOUS talent for Tommy. Jar Jar seems the most logical. To the Red Sox for Kalish + Garin Cecchini? Kalish can play LF and take over next year when Prado moves to 3B (after Chip’s retirement?). Cecchini seems like a Braves player.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 11, 2011 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Kalish has a bad throwing shoulder right now, may require surgery. Cecchini can’t be traded until after mid-August.
More importantly, that’s a horrible trade for the Braves. Hanson could bring back a lot more than that but I’d think they’d be trying to trade Lowe (not much return unless they pay a lot of his remaining salary) or Jurrjens (more return but he’s also more questionable from a durability POV).
I read that Kalish planned to make it back in a month (that was at the end of April)
Has there been anything put out there since?
And if the Braves did acquire Kalish, I would definitely put him in CF.
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Last I heard
Kalish is going to rehab the shoulder for a month and then see if he can take swings.
by blackoutyears on May 16, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Eric Thames not in LV lineup
Call-up? Hard to imagine it’s a day off considering how well he has been swinging it….
Dexter Fowler just got hurt
foul ball right off his knee. It hurt looking at it. We could see Charlie Blackmon.
No such luck.
Looks they just gave CF to Spilborghs in the meantime.
by blackoutyears on May 16, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Allen Webster
7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 7 K
Last 5 starts: 32 IP, 21 H, 3 ER, 9 BB, 33 K (All in Cal league)
So awesome
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Neil Ramirez
Didn’t have it tonight. 3 1/3 5ER 2k 4BB 6H
Martin Perez
Loaded the bases in the 1st but worked his way out of it. Cruised after that, 6 IP, 3H, 0R, 4BB, 4K, 9-2 GO-AO. 38 pitch 1st, followed by 47 pitches over the next 5, finishing the start with 3 swinging Ks in the 6th.
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Taijuan Walker
Turns out, real games against professional hitters are hard.
2.1IP 5H 3ER 4K/3BB with a balk for good measure
Moustakas
I know somebody on this site said a few days ago they thought Mous was about to get “seriously hot”. It looks like that is indeed happening. 1-4 with a HR last night.
Since this claim was made, he’s 6-13 with 2 2B, 2 HR, and a 3:0 BB:K ratio.
As a fantasy fan/ baseball fan, I can’t wait to see the new look Royals in the coming years. They are going to be a lot of fun.
As a Twins fan, I’m pretty nervous, because I wouldn’t be surprised if the Royals were the class of the AL Central for a while to come
Very small chance that happens
I’m pretty nervous, because I wouldn’t be surprised if the Royals were the class of the AL Central for a while to come
I hope they are, but everyone would need to develop and the team would actually need to spend a few bucks too. The odds aren’t in the Royals favor.
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I don't necessarily agree with this
I don’t think you have to say that “everyone needs to develop”, because they are very deep and have a lot of near major league ready talent. I’m not saying they are going to be the best team in the division right away. But their pitching will improve greatly when they get some of these guys up there. Moustakas and Hosmer have the look of a 3-4 hitter combo most teams would envy. Billy Butler has shown he’s a good hitter. Gordon has been looking better. Fill in around your best hitters with guys like Cain, Escobar, Aviles, etc. and focus on the pitching, and I think that’s what a championship club looks like (unless you buy your roster like the Yankees or Red Sox).
"Everyone" was an overstatement...
Clearly EVERYONE can’t develop. Sorry.
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Why would "everyone" need to develop?
Minnesota hasn’t needed “everyone” in their farm system to develop to stay atop the AL Central in recent years. They needed Mauer and Morneau, and then filled in with solid players around them.
KC probably needs two of Hosmer/Moustakas/Myers to reach their potential as All-Star caliber players, they need some of their starting pitching to develop, and they need to fill in with solid players. Glass will never push the payroll up to the $100+ mill level, but Moore has stated they would be comfortable pushing to $70-80M when the team is competing.
Minnesota hasn’t needed "everyone" in their farm system to develop to stay atop the AL Central in recent years. They needed Mauer and Morneau, and then filled in with solid players around them.
113,237,000 >>> 38,176,000
That is 2011 payroll for the two teams. Let’s hope the Royals are more likely to spend in the 70M-80M range, as you said. Even so, that additional $30-40M is a huge plus when it comes to retaining talent and adding talent around the team. Also lets be honest, Joe Mauer is the best catcher of all time…. (or close)
I’m by no means saying it isn’t possible. I would LOVE if they pulled it off.
Let’s assume Mous, Hosmer and Myers get to be All-Stars. They’ll still need to replace or resign Alex Gordon who is entering his final ARB year. On the diamond they’ll need a LF, CF, C, 2B. Maybe they’ll have two homegrown players be average players there, maybe they’ll have none. They are going to have to start paying Escobar soon too. Lets be generous and say maybe half the arms develop and say the other half get to the pen. They’ll need 2 or 3 more starters and by that time have to start paying Crow, Collins, etc.
Even if that very favorable scenario, I’m not sure they are going to whitewash the opposition. Competitive? Absolutely. There are still a lot of holes to fill and not much money to do it with. It’ll be fun to watch, but today, I certainly wouldn’t be betting my money that the Royals win the 2012/2013/2014 division titles.
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113,237,000 >>> 38,176,000
That is 2011 payroll for the two teams. Let’s hope the Royals are more likely to spend in the 70M-80M range, as you said. Even so, that additional $30-40M is a huge plus when it comes to retaining talent and adding talent around the team. Also lets be honest, Joe Mauer is the best catcher of all time…. (or close)
A cursory review of each teams’ salary in recent years would show this is an outlier year. KC basically cut its MLB payroll in half this year, from $71MM last year. That was in a year where there were zero expectations to compete. Luckily they realized it makes no sense to spend on more expensive FAs that will block cheap and talented prospects. The point though is that repeating the tired old “Glass is cheap” mantra just shows a complete lack of knowledge.
Let’s assume Mous, Hosmer and Myers get to be All-Stars. They’ll still need to replace or resign Alex Gordon who is entering his final ARB year. On the diamond they’ll need a LF, CF, C, 2B. Maybe they’ll have two homegrown players be average players there, maybe they’ll have none. They are going to have to start paying Escobar soon too. Lets be generous and say maybe half the arms develop and say the other half get to the pen. They’ll need 2 or 3 more starters and by that time have to start paying Crow, Collins, etc.
Even if that very favorable scenario, I’m not sure they are going to whitewash the opposition. Competitive? Absolutely. There are still a lot of holes to fill and not much money to do it with. It’ll be fun to watch, but today, I certainly wouldn’t be betting my money that the Royals win the 2012/2013/2014 division titles.
Nice strawman. No one is arguing they are going to “whitewash” the division, win the division for ten straight years, etc. YOUR argument was that there is a “very small chance” KC becomes the class of the division because they would need “everyone” to develop and Glass won’t spend money.
Given the depth of KC’s system, the timeline of the top prospects, and the weakest division in baseball, I think the odds are better than “very small” that they can contend in the coming years. That’s all.
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Yeah, I agree. I gave you the point on their salary being 70-80 million, no? That till isn’t near the Twins.
The point though is that repeating the tired old "Glass is cheap" mantra just shows a complete lack of knowledge.
I don’t know what that means, sorry.
I don’t think I created a strawman. When brok said they would be the “class of AL Central”, I took that to mean the best team by far. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But, usually that saying means the top. No?
I think the odds are better than "very small" that they can contend in the coming years.
I mean, I’m pretty sure I say explicitly that they would absolutely contend… Did you read what I wrote or just copy it for effect? My point about the small chance was predicated on the interpretation of “class of AL Central” to mean the best. Clearly, I didn’t interpret it to mean compete, because I conceded that they would compete.
I don’t know what else to say…
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The Rangers spent $65M on payroll last year
The template is there for teams with strong farm systems to compete with solid acquisitions and a little luck. The Padres won 90 games with a $38M payroll, the Reds and Braves won 91 spending $76M and $83M, and the Rays won 96 spending $73M. No reason the Royals can’t reach that payroll range.
royals were also at like 75 million last year...
or maybe it was the year before. but either way it was there. and there’s little reason it can’t go higher with assumed attendance increase and such….
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To add
The term “for a while to come.” In the phrase, " I wouldn’t be surprised if the Royals were the class of the AL Central for a while to come," has implied dynasty/dominance element to it. I may have been mistaken, but I was more than justified in relying on those words to formulate my point.
Further, after re-reading your post, it is clear to me that you didn’t read what I wrote. As you take issue with think that I explicitly conceded.
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It's easier to argue with you
by mischaracterizing your statements, JD. Gott afight straw(man) with straw(man)! lol
by blackoutyears on May 16, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
dont have time to look it up...
but i believe gordons got this year plus two more of team control
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by billybeingbilly on May 11, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I looked it up on Cots, FWIW
Alex Gordon LF:
1 year/$1.4M (2011) – re-signed by Kansas City 1/14/11 (avoided arbitration)
1 year/$1.15M (2010) – re-signed by Kansas City 1/19/10 (avoided arbitration)
1 year/$0.457M (2009)- re-signed by Kansas City 2/25/09 ($243,600 in minors)
1 year/$0.406M (2008)- re-signed by Kansas City 3/2/08 (split contract)
1 year/$0.38M (2007)- contract purchased by Kansas City 4/07
drafted by Kansas City 2005 (1-2) (Nebraska)
ML service: 3.092
That looks like one year left (5 contracts out of a possible 6), though I guess it could be two given the service time.
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he’s an FA after 2013. i remember hearing this after he spent so much time in minors last years.
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Does that mean he is technically a super-two?
That would be 4 arb years, right?
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hi buddy!
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'twas me
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I just figured that Mous is already a talented player who takes a bit to warm up each season. Combine this with seeing his cohort gtting called up, and he’ll want to join the party as well – soon!
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in a sad Note:
Just got word Twins 21 year old reliever Paul Bargas the nice lefy prospect has more than just a nueroligical condition he has been diagnosed with Brain Cancer
just too sad.
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on May 11, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
that sucks...brain cancers a bitch....
my dad died from it…hopefully they caught it early enough
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by billybeingbilly on May 11, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Bryce Harper
39.7 GB% 30.8 FB% 20.5 LD% for the person wondering about his LD%
IF%
5.1% IF%, too. Not sure why the four don’t add up to 100%
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