Prospect Smackdown: Trayvon Robinson vs. Jerry Sands
Prospect Smackdown: Jerry Sands vs. Trayvon Robinson
The two best outfield prospects in the Los Angeles Dodgers system are Jerry Sands and Trayvon Robinson. They come from very different backgrounds and have very different styles of play, but both could see some playing time in Los Angeles this year. Let's do a Prospect Smackdown.
BACKGROUND AND INTANGIBLES
Robinson: Trayvon Robinson was drafted by the Los Angeles Dodgers in the 10th round in 2005, from Crenshaw High School in Los Angeles. A participant in Major League Baseball's RBI program for the inner cities, he was considered raw when drafted by quite toolsy. He spent two years in the Gulf Coast Rookie League, then moved up to the Midwest League in 2007 and had a mediocre season. Another so-so campaign followed in the Cal League in '08, but in '09 he broke through with a .306/.375/.500 season for Inland Empire with 43 steals. He maintained the momentum last year in Double-A, earning a spot on the 40-man roster and positioning himself for a promotion to the majors sometime in '11. He was considered somewhat intense emotionally earlier in his career, but works hard to improve his game.
Sands: Jerry Sands was drafted by the Los Angeles Dodgers in the 25th round in 2008, from Catawba College in North Carolina. He was an outstanding player in NCAA Division II, hitting for average and power, but scouts didn't like his tools and he wasn't a hot draft prospect, earning a tiny $5,000 bonus. He hit 10 homers in 46 games in the Gulf Coast League after signing, but hit just .205. He hit 19 homers split between the Pioneer and Midwest Leagues in '09, then broke out with a terrific season in 2010 that saw him finish with 17 homers in 259 at-bats in Double-A. He was impressive again in the Arizona Fall League and in spring camp for the Dodgers. His work ethic and makeup are well-regarded.
Advantage: Very different career paths and backgrounds here: a high school guy with great tools who gradually learned how to play, and a guy without a great tool rep who brought his college performance forward. The key factor for me is that both Robinson and Sands have shown the ability to work, adapt, and improve, and I'm going to call this even.
PHYSICALITY, HEALTH, AND TOOLS
Robinson: Robinson is a 5-10, 200 pound switch-hitter, a right-handed thrower, born September 1st, 1987. His only below average tool is his throwing arm. His speed is well above average, and he's quite strong physically, packing considerable punch into his short frame. Originally a regular right-handed hitter, he's worked hard at switch-hitting and has crafted his swing well. He strikes out a lot and probably always will, but he's gradually improved his plate discipline over the last three seasons and it is now an asset for him, making him a good leadoff man. He is aggressive on the bases, sometimes overly so, but has improved his baserunning over the last few years along with the rest of his game. He has had no major health problems and appears durable. He has enough range to play center field.
Sands: Sands is a 6-4, 220 pound right-handed hitter and thrower, born September 28, 1987. He isn't the greatest athlete in the universe, but he's not terrible, either, running adequately for his size and showing "intelligent aggressiveness" on the bases, swiping 18 in 20 attempts last year, though scouts don't think that will hold up in the majors. His arm is below average but not terrible. His best asset is simple strength: he's got power to all fields. Scouts panned Sands as the owner of a long swing in college and the low minors, but he's made adjustments. Some reports indicate that he has trouble with plus fastballs, but other say he handles them just fine. He handles breaking balls and changeups well and has good plate discipline. He has had no major injury troubles.
Advantage: Robinson has better athleticism and speed and can play center field, while Sands will be confined to first base or an outfield corner. Sands has more power. Both players draw walks, and both of them strike out a lot. They were born within a month of each other, so there's no advantage to be had with the calendar. Sands probably has better pure instincts for the game but Robinson has made a lot of progress. I think you have to give Robinson an edge here due to his athleticism.
RECENT PERFORMANCE
Robinson: Robinson hit .300/.404/.438 with 73 walks and 125 strikeouts in 434 at-bats for Double-A Chattanooga in 2010, swiping 38 bases with 14 caught stealing. His OPS was solid but not spectacular at +16 percent compared to league average. Turning his season line into an MLE comes to about .250/.330/.360, which most people (fantasy owners especially) would likely find to be rather disappointing, though keep in mind that the jump between Chattanooga and Dodgers Stadium would be fairly steep.
Sands: Sands hit .333/.432/.646 in 243 at-bats in the Low-A Midwest League last year, followed by a .270/.360/.529 mark in 259 at-bats (+22 percent OPS) after skipping High-A and joining Robinson in Double-A, combining for 35 homers. He drew 73 walks combined with 123 strikeouts, the ratio being 33/62 at Chattanooga. The MLE is about .230/.300/.420 translated into Dodger Stadium, again less than most people would expect.
Advantage: The shapes of their performance are different, Sands with more power and Robinson with more speed, a higher batting, and a higher walk rate at Chattanooga last year. However, Sands beat Robinson in OPS due to his power, and they are the same age. Neither of their seasons translates especially well to Los Angeles using MLEs. Sands hit better in the Arizona Fall League and in spring training, though of course the samples are small. Although they didn't get the same amount of playing time in Double-A, I will give Sands a slight edge here.
PROJECTION
Robinson: Ideally, Robinson will develop into a force at the top of the lineup, able to hit .270-.290 with a good walk rate, 20+ steals per season, enough walks for a solid OBP, and good center field defense. I think he needs a year of Triple-A to put the finishing touches on, and he'll begin 2011 at that level.
Sands: Ideally, Sands will develop into a middle-of-the-order force, able to hit .260-.280 with 20+ homers per season, a good walk rate for a solid OBP, a few steals early in his career, and adequate corner outfield defense early in his career, eventually moving over to first base as he ages. I think he needs some Triple-A to put the finishing touches on.
Advantage: Which one gets the first promotion will depend on who is performing best at the time and who exactly gets hurt to open a spot up. I don't expect either of them to be stars, but both have a good chance to be solid regulars, though the nature of that solidness (speed/leadoff guy vs. power guy) is different. Robinson due to his athleticism and "young player skills" is more likely to age well, but Sands could perform better in the short run.
SUMMARY: I rate them as even on intangibles, Robinson an edge in tools, Sands an edge in current performance, even-but-different in projection. I gave them both Grade B ratings in the book, with Sands at Number 39 overall and Robinson Number 41. You can make a case either way. Many scouts would put Robinson ahead due to his superior athleticism, although Sands is getting more and more respect and it is getting harder to doubt his bat.
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I think the Dodgers
have Sands at 1B because they have a dream scenario of both Sands and Robinson working out and having an outfield from left to right of Ethier, Robinson and Kemp, and having Sands at 1B. Scouts have said that Sands could handle RF if needed, but in the current setup, he’d be best replacing Loney sooner rather than later. All I know is I am happy that both are close and both could have a spot on the MLB team without making a logjam that is worth worrying about(Loney and Sands is a no brainer as Loney gets more expensive and doesn’t develop power)
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 25, 2011 1:03 AM EDT reply actions
I expect Ethier’s last season as a Dodger to be 2012, so where Sands ends up will depend on FA signings. He could end up in LF with Trayvon in CF and Kemp in RF, or if Sands hits enough, he could end up at 1B.
Depends on a lot, I think
If McCourt is gone, Andre has a better chance of staying. If they get rid of Loney and don’t replace him with anyone on the FA market, Andre will probably stay…. If both Robinson and Sands succeed they may feel that because they filed two spots cheaply, they can afford Andre. But if one falters, they may want to find a cheaper option.
If we sign Albert Pujols, Andre is gone though :)
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Mar 27, 2011 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Both are great
finds at the 10th and 25th rounds, considering they both look to be a core part of the Dodgers for years to come.
Devil's Advocate
I’m surprised John isn’t more worried about Robinson’s strikeout rate. He struck out a quarter of the time in 2009 and again in 2010. That’s a lot for a speed guy – right? It seems highly unlikely he can get away with a high batting average.
The other problem is the walks. Without much power will Major League pitchers pound the zone on him? Maybe he can buck these trends. But it seems to me that the lack of contact and power could drag both his average and walk total to the point he’s more of a .260/.315/.375 type.
I just went through the VORP leaders in CF. Here were the leading CF that had low isolated slugging percentages:
Andrew McCutchen
Angel Pagan
Marlon Anderson
Austin Jackson
Coco Crisp
Denard Span
Lorenzo Cain
Gregor Blanco
Michael Bourn
Rajai Davis
Only Austin Jackson struck-out more than 20% of the time (K/PA). Bourne struck-out just about 20% in 2009. Most of the rest were in the mid-teens. And many are skeptical that Jackson can pull it off again (he struck out 25%, like Robinson). I know some will say, “hey if Jackson did it …” but his 2010 could likely be an anomaly.
A more thorough study is in order – put my point is its very rare for a low-power/speed guy to succeed striking out more than 1/5 of his PAs.
Robinson has also dropped his K rate quite a bit the last couple years
The increase due to seeing better pitching should be offset by continual improvement by Robinson himself. I like the trend – he appears to be one of those toolsy athletic OFs that is coachable.
Nice writeup John. I agree that the smackdown is very close. I like Robinson a tad more due to his ability to play CF. Without that defensive contribution, Sands’ bat would carry him well above Trayvon.
This should be titled: Prospect Smackdown: Apples vs Oranges
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by King Billy Royal on Mar 25, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
why?
readers asked for this one.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Mar 25, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
same team
could battle for LF, no? who gets to the major first?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Mar 28, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Ray, I was being sarcastic.
It’s pretty obvious what these two players have in common, and I think they were a great choice for this exercise.

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