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Taking a Look at Prospect Rankings

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I have been trying to obtain information on MLB prospects since the beginning of this year (thanks, dynasty league fantasy baseball). Sure, I had heard of Bryce Harper and Stephen Strasburg, but it was literally a surprise to me when some new prospect would come along and win a starting job. People like Carlos Santana. Buster Posey. Even Jason Heyward. Pathetic, right? So now I know a tiny bit more. I know that Devin Mesoraco used to be highly thought of, had a few pretty poor years in the minors, was nearly written off, supposedly re-tooled his swing, had a good year last year and is now back on prospect lists. Not too in-depth, but it's a start.

Anyways, that's not the point. I, like many others, like lists. I also like making spreadsheets with all of the lists put together and comparing them. So that's what I did with prospect top 100 lists. I looked at AOL Fanhouse (AOL), Baseball America (BA), Baseball Prospectus (BP), Keith Law (Insider) (KL)MLBProspect Junkies (PJ) and Project Prospect (PP). I will also be looking at Fangraphs once they are available. Of course, the MLB rankings only go to 50, so they do not contain as much information.

I took all of these rankings and averaged them to get an overall rank for each prospect. The averaged list starts out with Mike Trout with an average rank of 2, contains 156 players and ends with Jacob Petricka, James Jones, Joe Benson and Tyrell Jenkins. Each of these four players were only listed as the number 100 prospect and only on one list. Good start. Now comes the fun part. What can I do with all of this information? Well, the first thing is look at how each list likes or dislikes certain players. The average for a player may be 63 (Jaff Decker), but he may be ranked at 26 on one list (PP), 97th on another (BP) and not even show up on others (AOL, BA, MLB). As it turns out, Jaff has the greatest standard deviation among players ranked at least twice (isn't cherry picking fun?).

For each ranking, I looked at the players it had ranked higher or lower than at least 20 spots from the average of players that were included on at least 3 lists. Why 20? Because. I also listed the players who were surprisingly included or excluded. A surprising inclusion is defined as a player who was only on one or two lists and was ranked higher than 80. A surprising exclusion is defined as a player who was on at least 4 prospect lists, but did not make that specific list. Another note: by "likes" or "doesn't like" I simply mean ranks higher or lower than average. It is definitely not to be taken as "Keith Law doesn't like Chris Sale as a person." The wording is simply odd since "ranked highly" could mean "ranked 100" or "ranked 1." Just to be clear. First, a summary of each system:

 

So here we go.


AOL (Frankie Piliere)

Players AOL really likes (AOL, AVG, DIFF):

Jurickson Profar (SS, TEX) (33, 63, -30)

Anthony Ranaudo (RHP, BOS) (41, 66, -25)

Jonathan Singleton (1B, PHI) (11, 34, -23)

Hak-Ju Lee (SS, TB) (48, 68, -20)

Players AOL doesn't like (AOL, AVG, DIFF):

Alex White (RHP, CLE) (96, 62, +34)

Jake Odorizzi (RHP, KC) (95, 66, +30)

John Lamb (LHP, KC) (55, 34, +21)

Jason Kipnis (2B, CLE) (67, 47, +20)

Chris Carter (1B, OAK) (91, 71, +20)

Surprising inclusions (#Lists, AOL):

Jeremy Jeffress (RHP, KC) (1, 75)

Zach Stewart (RHP, TOR) (2, 56)

Oswaldo Arcia (OF, MIN) (2, 65)

Surprising exclusions (#Lists, AVG)

Travis d'Arnaud (C, TOR) (4, 52)

Jaff Decker (LF, SD) (4, 63)

Yasmani Grandal (C, CIN) (4, 66)

Nick Castellanos (3B, DET) (5, 62)

Zach Lee (RHP, LAD) (5, 72)

 

Baseball America

Players BA really likes (BA, AVG, DIFF):

Dee Gordon (SS, LAD) (26, 60, -34)

Christian Colon (SS, KC) (51, 78, -27)

Players BA doesn't like (BA, AVG, DIFF):  

Hak-Ju Lee (SS, TB) (92, 68, +24)

Arodys Vizcaino (RHP, ATL) (93, 69, +24)

Anthony Rizzo (1B, SD) (75, 54, +21)

Yonder Alonso (1B, CIN) (73, 53, +20)

Chris Carter (1B, OAK) (91, 71, +20)

Surprising inclusions (#Lists, BA):

Tyler Chatwood (RHP, LAA) (2, 76)

Cesar Puello (OF, NYM) (2, 77)

Surprising exclusions (#Lists, AVG)

Hank Conger (C, LAA) (5, 74)

J.P. Arencibia (C, TOR) (4, 56)

Christian Friedrich (LHP, COL) (4, 77)

Ben Revere (CF, MIN) (4, 76)

Jaff Decker (LF, SD) (4, 63)

Yasmani Grandal (C, CIN) (4, 66)

Matt Harvey (RHP, NYM) (5, 79)

 

Baseball Prospectus (Kevin Goldstein)

Players BP really likes (BP, AVG, DIFF):

Chris Carter (1B, OAK) (30, 71, -41)

Stetson Allie (RHP, PIT) (39, 69, -30)

Drew Pomeranz (LHP, CLE) (43, 67, -24)

John Lamb (LHP, KC) (11, 34, -23)

Craig Kimbrel (RHP, ATL) (56, 77, -21)

Miguel Sano (3B, MIN) (21, 52, -21)

Players BP doesn't like (BP, AVG, DIFF):

Anthony Ranaudo (RHP, BOS) (100, 66, +34)

Jaff Decker (LF, SD) (97, 63, +34)

Tony Sanchez (C, PIT) (93, 61, +32)

Jonathan Singleton (1B, PHI) (63, 34, +29)

Wilmer Flores (SS, NYM) (98, 73, +25)

Chris Archer (RHP, TB) (70, 45, 25)

Dee Gordon (SS, LAD) (84, 60, +24)

Yasmani Grandal (C, CIN) (86, 66, +20)

Surprising inclusions (#Lists, BP):

Kenley Jansen (RHP, LAD) (1, 72)

Jeremy Jeffress (RHP, KC) (2, 76)

Surprising exclusions (#Lists, AVG)

Travis d'Arnaud (C, TOR) (4, 52)

Yonder Alonso (1B, CIN) (6, 53)

Jarred Cosart (RHP, PHI) (4, 55)

Zack Cox (3B, STL) (4, 68)

Hak-Ju Lee (SS, TB) (4, 68)

Christian Friedrich (LHP, COL) (4, 77)

Nolan Arenado (3B, COL) (4, 83)

 

Keith Law

Players KL really likes (KL, AVG, DIFF):

Aaron Hicks (CF, MIN) (10, 36, -26)

Wilmer Flores (SS, NYM) (48, 73, -25)

Miguel Sano (3B, MIN) (29, 52, -23)

Arodys Vizcaino (RHP, ATL) (47, 69, -22)

Jarred Cosart (RHP, PHI) (34, 55, -21)

Manny Banuelos (LHP, NYY) (12, 32, -20)

Derek Norris (C, WAS) (33, 53, -20)

Players KL doesn't like (KL, AVG, DIFF):

Chris Sale (LHP, CHW) (67, 37, +30)

Mike Minor (LHP, ATL) (61, 34, +27)

Wilin Rosario (C, COL) (69, 42, +27)

J.P. Arencibia (C, TOR) (82, 56, +26)

Gary Sanchez (C, NYY) (68, 44, +24)

Danny Duffy (LHP, KC) (98, 74, +24)

Dellin Betances (RHP, NYY) (73, 50, +23)

Freddie Freeman (1B, ATL) (43, 20, +23)

Adeiny Hechevarria (SS, TOR) (96, 75, +21)

Surprising inclusions (#Lists, KL):

Carlos Martinez (RHP, STL) (1, 52)

Alex Torres (LHP, TB) (1, 77)

Christian Yelich (1B/OF, FLA) (2, 79)

Zach Stewart (RHP, TOR) (2, 44)

Oswaldo Arcia (OF, MIN) (2, 74)

Surprising exclusions (#Lists, AVG)

Danny Espinosa (SS, WAS) (4, 79)

Christian Colon (SS, KC) (5, 78)

Alex White (RHP, CLE) (5, 62)

Brett Jackson (CF, CHC) (6, 48)

Jake Odorizzi (RHP, KC) (6, 66)

Tanner Scheppers (RHP, TEX) (6, 70)

 

MLB (Jonathan Mayo)

Players MLB really likes (MLB, AVG, DIFF):

Jake Odorizzi (RHP, KC) (37, 66, -29)

Tanner Scheppers (RHP, TEX) (43, 70, -27)

Christian Friedrich (LHP, COL) (50, 77, -27)

Players MLB doesn't like (MLB, AVG, DIFF):

None

Surprising inclusions (#Lists, MLB):

None

Surprising exclusions (#Lists, AVG)

Randall Delgado (RHP, ATL) (6, 41)

Zack Wheeler (RHP, SF) (6, 45)

Jean Segura (2B, LAA) (6, 46)

Jason Kipnis (2B, CLE) (6, 47)

Dellin Betances (RHP, NYY) (5, 50)

 

Prospect Junkies (Burke Granger)

Players PJ really likes (PJ, AVG, DIFF):

Chris Carter (1B, OAK) (46, 71, -25)

Jake Odorizzi (RHP, KC) (44, 66, -22)

Simon Castro (RHP, SD) (34, 55, -21)

Players PJ doesn't like (PJ, AVG, DIFF):

Manny Banuelos (LHP, NYY) (65, 32, +33)

Trey McNutt (RHP, CHC) (91, 65, +26)

John Lamb (LHP, KC) (59, 34, +25)

Arodys Vizcaino (RHP, ATL) (94, 69, +25)

Travis d'Arnaud (C, TOR) (75, 52, +23)

Jarred Cosart (RHP, PHI) (77, 55, +23)

Jaff Decker (LF, SD) (83, 63, +20)

Stetson Allie (RHP, PIT) (89, 69, +20)

Surprising inclusions (#Lists, PJ):

A.J. Cole, (RHP, WAS) (2, 79)

Nick Weglarz (LF, CLE) (2, 72)

Cesar Puello (OF, NYM) (2, 78)

Surprising exclusions (#Lists, AVG)

J.P. Arencibia (C, TOR) (4, 56)

Hak-Ju Lee (SS, TB) (4, 68)

Brody Colvin (RHP, PHI) (4, 69)

Danny Duffy (LHP, KC) (4, 74)

Danny Espinosa (SS, WAS) (4, 79)

 

Project Prospect

Players PP really likes (PP, AVG, DIFF):

Yonder Alonso (1B, CIN) (15, 53, -38)

Jaff Decker (LF, SD) (26, 63, -37)

Wilin Rosario (C, COL) (10, 42, -32)

Matt Harvey (RHP, NYM) (48, 79, -31)

Nick Castellanos (3B, DET) (32, 62, -30)

Zach Lee (RHP, LAD) (47, 72, -25)

Devin Mesoraco (C, CIN) (24, 47, -23)

Adeiny Hechevarria (SS, TOR) (52, 75, -23)

Randall Delgado (RHP, ATL) (21, 41, -20)

Players PP doesn't like (PP, AVG, DIFF):

Miguel Sano (3B, MIN) (98, 52, +47)

Chris Sale (LHP, CHW) (75, 37, +38)

Michael Pineda (RHP, SEA) (56, 22, +34)

Drew Pomeranz (LHP, CLE) (99, 67, +32)

Gary Sanchez (C, NYY) (73, 44, +29)

Jacob Turner (RHP, DET) (55, 26, +29)

Tyler Matzek (LHP, COL) (64, 35, +29)

Mike Montgomery (LHP, KC) (54, 26, 28)

Wilmer Flores (SS, NYM) (100, 73, +27)

Jenrry Mejia (RHP, NYM) (83, 57, +26)

Jean Segura (2B, LAA) (66, 46, 20)

Kyle Gibson (RHP, MIN) (61, 41, +20)

Surprising inclusions (#Lists, PP):

Reese Havens (2B, NYM) (1, 42)

Fernando Martinez (RF, NYM) (1, 53)

Bobby Borchering (3B, ARI) (1, 60)

James Darnell (3B, SD) (1, 62)

Drew Cumberland (SS, SD) (1, 63)

Alex Amarista (2B, LAA) (1, 65)

Dayan Viciedo (1B, CHW) (1, 77)

Josh Spence (RHP, SD) (1, 79)

Josh Sale (OF, TB) (2, 69)

Nick Weglarz (LF, CLE) (2, 33)

Surprising exclusions (#Lists, AVG)

Zack Cox (3B, STL) (4, 68)

Nolan Arenado (3B, COL) (4, 83)

Jarred Cosart (RHP, PHI) (4, 55)

Ben Revere (CF, MIN) (4, 76)

Christian Friedrich (LHP, COL) (4, 77)

J.P. Arencibia (C, TOR) (4, 56)

Brody Colvin (RHP, PHI) (4, 69)

Danny Duffy (LHP, KC) (4, 74)

Billy Hamilton (SS, CIN) (5, 51)

Grant Green (SS, OAK) (5, 56)

Dellin Betances (RHP, NYY) (5, 50)

Trey McNutt (RHP, CHC) (5, 65)

Arodys Vizcaino (RHP, ATL) (5, 69)

Brett Lawrie (2B, TOR) (6, 40)

Chris Archer (RHP, TB) (6, 45)

Dee Gordon (SS, LAD) (6, 60)

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Cool idea

I really like it. Thanks for the research!

"Most overrated prospect in the minors." -- Bravesin07 on Madison Bumgarner

by criminal type on Mar 22, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Odorizzi

… is the most polarizing player. Who knew?

"Most overrated prospect in the minors." -- Bravesin07 on Madison Bumgarner

by criminal type on Mar 22, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I like this idea

I’ll have to figure out a systematic way to determine most polarizing etc. I was just thinking of using standard deviation.

@stealofhome

by Chris St. John on Mar 23, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

This is great, man

"Some field has fences, and sometime, the field cant hold a player, but most of the time, a field cant hold Domingo"

www.domingobeisbol.com/Domingo/Home.html

by hero66 on Mar 23, 2011 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

BB

I was following Bullpen Banter’s revealing of the top 100, but it was taking too long to get it into this. Same thing with Fangraphs.

@stealofhome

by Chris St. John on Mar 23, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to hear that we were on your radar

Our top 100 is up now.

This is a very interesting exercise.

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by Jeff Reese on Mar 23, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I've got it

I might redo this once Fangraphs comes out on Monday (I think)

@stealofhome

by Chris St. John on Mar 23, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

RE

That would be cool! If the formating is too time consuming, e-mail me and I can send you the top 100. I’d expect that since our list is an average of 5 people, that it will be least risky, as compared to the others.

by JD Sussman on Mar 23, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

very cool

Nice way to look at it
.

by ADLC on Mar 23, 2011 2:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks!

I would like to look at standard deviations away from the mean instead of just absolute difference. That way, it might find some prospects that may still be ranked within 20 points, but are far away from any other list.

I also wanted to add more lists, but I haven’t quite found an easy way to go through this method yet.

@stealofhome

by Chris St. John on Mar 23, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Great job C S J

Is it really surprising to anyone that PP is the most polarizing of the lists? Their ranking method still seems to be very different from the industry norm. I am not saying they are more or less accurate than anyone else, but this analysis proves the point.

by guru4u on Mar 23, 2011 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

People have always said their lists were different just for the sake of being different, and this research proves it.

by DJSlam on Mar 24, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"this research proves it."

I think you need to look up proves in a dictionary.

by blackoutyears on Mar 25, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for the hard work. This is great.

It’s funny how familiarity with a given site is at tension with your verbiage. For instance, no one who knows PP’s work would deem Zack Cox’s exclusion ‘surprising’. ;-) I’m also not surprised that they sport the longest lists of surprise inclusions/exclusions. Different. Drummer.

It will be interesting to see how BB and FG slot in. Thanks again for putting a new slant on all these names. I think a lot of us begin to experience prospect fatigue this time of year, and this is something fresh.

by blackoutyears on Mar 23, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Right

The words used were simply linked to the specific definitions given. Of course, we all know that PP thinks that Cox is a marginal MLBer, so it’s no surprise that he’s not on their top 100. But how we would know that they don’t like him if he was on their top 100? Confusing.

I’ve got the BB one in there already, I guess I’ll repost this once Fangraphs shows up.

@stealofhome

by Chris St. John on Mar 23, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correction

I have the BB rankings in my sheet already, but they’re not in the article. I’ll add them in along with FG.

@stealofhome

by Chris St. John on Mar 23, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

WIl do

I had been following along day by day, adding them in, so it didn’t take too much time.

For BB, I’ve got high on ~ 8 guys (Jake McGee), low on ~ 7 (Billy Hamilton), ~1 inclusion, ~6 exclusions. With the change in # of lists, I’m going to have to change the requirements for each definition.

@stealofhome

by Chris St. John on Mar 23, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done

Thanks for the time & effort. Fun stuff.

by garry maddox on Mar 23, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

i always do this, just in my head instead of making all the nice graphs, etc

good work.

i’ve actually done one comparing mine and BA’s list from last year. was planning on posting it eventually.

by daveh33 on Mar 23, 2011 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep This is awesome

In the same vain as Dave I was thinking about doing something like this but couldn’t have come close to accomplishing it in the way you did

nicely done sire

rec’d

Nishi to Alexi = Double Play

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 24, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Amen Bro

Fascinating stuff

"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." - Rickey Henderson

by casejud on Mar 24, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arodys Vizcaino

On here 4 times. 1 really likes, 2 dislikes, 1 exclusion. Interesting. I guess that’s due to health concerns and uncertainty about whether he projects as a starter or reliever.

Great work.

by BrockSamson on Mar 25, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

Thanks for this, it’s good to see these lists in a different light.

I had the thought that this would be a very interesting way to critique past lists. Obviously you’ve got this data for the future now, but what would this look like if it was 2006’s lists. Would the inclusions or exclusions, likes or dislikes help us see patterns of ranking that may help put more current lists in perspective?

Anyway, just thought. I’m not able to do the work, and I don’t expect you to either, but the layout you use may be just the way to judge things a bit clearer. For example, John goes back and critiques past lists, but bust or success only says so much, and doesn’t answer if the pick was any different from the norm.

by phiago on Mar 26, 2011 11:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yes, I would like to do this, but I don’t have the data. The only historical lists I could find easily was the BA one.

@stealofhome

by Chris St. John on Mar 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff

Nitpick:

Sano’s difference on BP’s list says 21, but the numbers would be 31.

Great work, though!

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Mar 27, 2011 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

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