Need Advice on a Fantasy baseball trade

by fawnsmets on Mar 17, 2011 1:24 PM EDT

I was offered Jonathan niese and jose Tabata for Clay Buchholz, Gary Sanchez and Profar.

I'm thinking about doing it because I need OF help and I'm SP is Stacked.

It is a full Keeper Dynasty League. 24 teams and Thirty Minors.

My line up is Wieters at C Miggy 1B Cano 2B Elvis Andrus SS Sandoval 3B three OF are Travis Snider, Peter Bourjos and Austin kearns MY DH is Danny Espinosa.

We have to start 4 or 5 SP and 1 or 2 PR

My depth is not that good but my starters are really good.

David Price, Ubaldo Jimenez, Josh johnson, Yovani Gallardo and Clay buchholz. My RP or Brian Wilson and Broxton

Thanks for the Help!!!

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I would definitely NOT do that.

I like Buchholz better than Niese, and Sanchez and Profar far more than Tabata. This one isn’t even close to me.

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by alskor on Mar 17, 2011 1:53 PM EDT reply actions

+1

by dbreer23 on Mar 17, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

by srbaseball2003 on Mar 18, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Fake Teams is probably a better place to ask this question.

But, I agree with alskor. That is a horrible trade. You would be giving up 2 highly regard prospects that scarce positions, not to mention one of the better young SP’s in the game.

Buchholz’s upside is better then either of Tabata or Niese by a good margin.

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by melonhead202 on Mar 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions

Looked at the site. Thanks!

by fawnsmets on Mar 18, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions

I can appreciate your trying to fill positional holes, but in my estimation, that’s a huge oversell. I wouldn’t do Buchholz for Tabata straight up. much less add those two prospects and Niese to the deal.

by Ghost_of_Brien_Taylor on Mar 17, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions

+1

Really lopsided offer, and not in a good way.

I think Buchholz alone is > Tabata and Niese without throwing in two superb prospects.

Keep looking. I agree you need OF help, but Buchholz alone should bring back more than Tabata.

by FI2 on Mar 17, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I would do Bucholz for Tabata straight up

Bucholz’s K rate for fantasy really is subpar, and I am not bullish on him going forward. Tabata, meanwhile, is a really good OF for fantasy. He is a speed guy with a fair amount of power potential for the future.

That being said, Niese just isn’t very good. Honestly I would go ask for a Bucholz-like SP for Sanchez and Profar. Taking Sanchez out of this deal makes it fair too IMO.

by guru4u on Mar 18, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions

I think you're strongly overstating this.

Buchholz got lucky in 2010, but there’s every reason to think he’ll strike out more guys as he learns how to get major leaguers out. There’s a reason every projection system is bullish on him. He’s still going to be a valuable SP, especially in a 24 team league.

You have a point that Tabata isn’t as bad as some on this page think, but I’m still not a huge fan. I’d definitely rather go searching for an OF to take the place of Tabata rather than have to go out and find a Buchholz quality SP (and, again, that’s accounting for Buchholz not being as good as 2010. I don’t think anyone expects him to repeat 2010 nor does he have to in order to have good value).

Profar isn’t a particularly standout fantasy SS type, but in a 24 team league he’ll have plenty of value at a very hard to fill position. Strong chance Sanchez IS a standout fantasy C type. Its far too much to give up and I would not go trading Buchholz straight up for Tabata, either. Tabata isn’t a top 30 OF in a mixed league. He’s an OF2 in this type of league, and a relatively risky one.

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by alskor on Mar 18, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I think we are fairly close in our evaluations

I don’t see Profar as a difference maker at SS – even in a 24 team setup. And for fantasy, I only really hang onto prospects if I feel they have a chance to be a difference maker. Therefore, I would have no problem swapping out Profar for Niese if you need the pitching help.

Bucholz for Tabata, to me, is an even swap. You kind of already eluded to the reasoning here – Bucholz gets downgraded in a standard fantasy setup; meanwhile Tabata gets upgraded in the same setup. I would still make that deal though. The OP noted he is starting Austin Kearns in his OF… and he already has a strong pitching staff without Bucholz. Tabata is probably outside of the top 30 OFs, but I have Bucholz outside my top 30 SPs. PFM over at BP actually shows Tabata having more value in 2011.

by guru4u on Mar 20, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions

You would be dumb

To even consider that deal. It doesn’t make you better in any way. In all honesty your lineup is just bad, even for a 24 team league, so I don’t see how trading one of your better players for a guy whose upside is a mid-range OF improves you.

by ADLC on Mar 17, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions

Re:

I do like Tabata — think he’s a value play this year and may turn out to be pretty good in H2H leagues.

That said, bad trade…

by Dfarth on Mar 17, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions

thanks for all the Feed back

I rejected the trade!

by fawnsmets on Mar 17, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions

You made the correct decision...

… but Tabata is going to be a valuable fantasy OF.

I just think you should be getting a bigger stick for Buchholz. I’m thinking Nelson Cruz or someone at that level.

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by criminal type on Mar 17, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions

+1

I agree that Tabata is already a pretty good fantasy OFer. If the power that he was projected to develop ever happens, I can see him as a 20/20 player. But that’s potential, right now he’s more an Austin Jackson type, vice a Chris Young, and that’s a big difference.

by Ghost_of_Brien_Taylor on Mar 17, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions

Not sure about that

Tabata has a more developed idea about the strike zone at an allegedly younger age.

But yea, I see where you’re going. I generally agree.

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by criminal type on Mar 17, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions

I wouldn't have even responded

Awful offer.

by at022482 on Mar 17, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions

You definitely need OF help, though.

But you can get much better than Tabata for Sanchez and Profar. And if Bucholz is included, you can get an elite OF.

by at022482 on Mar 17, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Seriously?

I like Buchholz and all, but I’d be surprised if you could get an “elite” OF for him. He’s not exactly Cliff Lee or Roy Halladay.

Also, I’d jam my foot in your face if you offered me Gary Sanchez and Jurickson Profar for Tabata. Profar = Alcides Escobar. Enjoy!

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by criminal type on Mar 18, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions

Buchholz

Had a 2.33 ERA last year, in Fenway (as opposed to King Felix’s 2.27 in Safeco). His K/9 should improve, as he learns to leverage his increased velocity. If he isn’t elite right now, he definitely has the potential to be an elite starter.

I am pretty high on Tabata, but I’m not convinced the power will develop much more than it will. He has just as much chance performing at a Coco Crisp 2010 level as his norm than a Shin Soo Choo, and frankly, I’d personally rather have Buchholz (though if you were so desperate for an OF or high on Tabata that you traded the two straight up, it wouldn’t be a head-scratcher).

by Ghost_of_Brien_Taylor on Mar 20, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions