Community Positional Prospect #54
by gatling on Feb 15, 2011 10:36 AM EST
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With 16.7% (53.8%) of the vote, Matt Lipka is elected Community Positional Prospect #53.
RESULTS:
Nick Weglarz: 8.3%
Kaleb Cowart: 19.4% (46.2%)
Fernando Martinez: 11.1%
Matt Lipka: 16.7% (53.8%)
Zach Cox: 2.8%
Matt Davidson: 8.3%
Chris Nelson: 5.6%
Reese Havens: 2.8%
Randal Grichuk: 2.8%
Ben Revere: 2.8%
Aderlin Rodriguez: 0%
Tsuyoshi Nishioka: 8.3%
Charlie Blackmon: 5.6%
Brett Eibner: 2.8%
Joe Benson: 2.8%
Drew Cumberland: 2.8%
CANDIDATES:
Matt Davidson
Charlie Blackmon
Mike Olt
IN THE ROTATION:
Yorman Rodriguez(#51-0%), Jake Marisnick(#51-0%), Kyle Parker(#51-0%), Oswaldo Arcia(#51-0%), Adeiny Hechevarria(#51-2.8%), Joe Benson(#52-2.9%), Brett Eibner(#52-0%), Donovan Tate(#52-0%), Drew Cumberland(#52-2.9%), Eric Thames(#52-0%), Zach Cox(#53-2.8%), Reese Havens(#53-2.8%), Randal Grichuk(#53-2.8%), Aderlin Rodriguez(#53-0%), Ben Revere(#53-2.8%)
TESTERS:
Max Kepler, Johnny Giavotella, Ryan Lavarnway, Alex Liddi, Kentrail Davis, Chun-Hsiu Chen, Christian Bethancourt, Cesar Puello
- #01 - MIKE TROUT - 48.0%
- #02 - BRYCE HARPER - 38.1%
- #03 - DOMONIC BROWN - 30.1% (53.3%)
- #04 - JESUS MONTERO - 47.9%
- #05 - ERIC HOSMER - 35.9%
- #06 - DUSTIN ACKLEY - 37.7% (52.5%)
- #07 - WIL MYERS - 60.5%
- #08 - MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 58.8%
- #09 - DESMOND JENNINGS - 46.4%
- #10 - BRANDON BELT - 42.0%
- #11 - FREDDIE FREEMAN - 46.2%
- #12 - MANNY MACHADO - 50.0%
- #13 - BRETT LAWRIE - 40.5%
- #14 - AARON HICKS - 35.3%
- #15 - NICK FRANKLIN - 27.8% (55%)
- #16 - BRETT JACKSON - 28% (50.7%)
- #17 - LONNIE CHISENHALL - 36.2%
- #18 - DEVIN MESORACO - 32.1% (51.4%)
- #19 - DEREK NORRIS - 41.4%
- #20 - GARY SANCHEZ - 19.5% (49.2%)
- #21 - GRANT GREEN - 27.0%
- #22 - WILMER FLORES - 24.3%
- #23 - DANNY ESPINOSA - 31.5%
- #24 - JASON KIPNIS - 31.7%
- #25 - MIGUEL SANO - 33.3%
- #26 - WILIN ROSARIO - 30.8%
- #27 - CHRIS CARTER - 21.0% (37.7%)
- #28 - HANK CONGER - 30.2%
- #29 - JURICKSON PROFAR - 29.0%
- #30 - JONATHAN SINGLETON - 45.4%
- #31 - DEE GORDON - 27.1%
- #32 - JEAN SEGURA - 22.2% (52.4%)
- #33 - MATT DOMINGUEZ - 23.4% (62.9%)
- #34 - JAFF DECKER - 28.6%
- #35 - BILLY HAMILTON - 20.8%
- #36 - YONDER ALONSO - 27.3%
- #37 - TONY SANCHEZ - 19.4% (54.9%)
- #38 - JERRY SANDS - 26.4%
- #39 - YASMANI GRANDAL - 27.1% (60.8%)
- #40 - CARLOS PEREZ - 31.7%
- #41 - TRAYVON ROBINSON - 23.7%
- #42 - J.P. ARENCIBIA - 29.1%
- #43 - JOSH SALE - 25%
- #44 - MICHAEL CHOICE - 20.8% (37.7%)
- #45 - JOSE IGLESIAS - 31.9%
- #46 - NICK CASTELLANOS - 28.0%
- #47 - ANTHONY RIZZO - 25.0% (45.5%)
- #48 - CHRISTIAN COLON - 19.1% (37.2%)
- #49 - TRAVIS d'ARNAUD - 33.9%
- #50 - HAK-JU LEE - 31.4% (55.8%)
- #51 - NOLAN ARENADO - 36.1%
- #52 - ENGEL BELTRE - 34.3%
- #53 - MATT LIPKA - 16.7% (53.8%)
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by tj.hendricks on Feb 15, 2011 10:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1 for Matt Davidson
I’m surprised he’s not leading this one going away.
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pretty safe top 100 guy in my opinion.
by auclairkeithbc on Feb 15, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
+1
"The key to winning baseball games is pitching, fundamentals, and three run homers."
by fourfingerwoo on Feb 16, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
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I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
"Matt Millen ran Barry Sanders out of town he Drove the Lions into the ground
and now he acts as if he is a know it all NFL analyst" -favre
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 15, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Delino Deshields
He is a borderline top 100 type. I don’t know how many 4 start BP prospects are left.
by auclairkeithbc on Feb 15, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think Revere is going to shock the world
Great reports out on him already this spring via La Velle E Neal III
The kid can play
Revere = to or greater than Brett Gardner
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
"Matt Millen ran Barry Sanders out of town he Drove the Lions into the ground
and now he acts as if he is a know it all NFL analyst" -favre
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 15, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
God I despise Brett Gardner
I don’t hate him as a person or a player but, I hate the IDEA that he is as valuable as people think. I think its stupid and silly. Getting on base is worth just as much as moving runners in but not THAT much and, if he was so good defensively why doesnt he play Centerfield. WAR is so stupid sometimes.
"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." - Rickey Henderson
The Numbers Don't Lie
The Yankees had the highest scoring team in MLB in 2010 despite down years from Jeter and Teixeira. Gardner tailed off at the end because he was dealing with a wrist injury. He’s real. Valencia is not.
Weglarz
I think I’m pretty firmly on the Weglarz Wagon now. All he has done over the last 3 years is walk and hit, and he’ll still only be 23 next year. I know he has defensive warts, but does that really separate him so much from a Jaff Decker, Chris Carter type of player?
Ya I like Weglarz too
he definately would have made my top 50 position players , well if this was bat alone top 25-30
but Positional ranking I guess its close
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
"Matt Millen ran Barry Sanders out of town he Drove the Lions into the ground
and now he acts as if he is a know it all NFL analyst" -favre
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 15, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Jeez Guys
Why is Nishioka on here??? He’s practiaclly a major leaguer.
So, guys who voted for Brown, Cowart, etc., . . . you believe those guys are better than a 26 year old, who won the GG at SS, and led the Japan League in hits, and Average?
Just making sure. I think we should have left him off the list so as not to embarrass ourselves with our lack of knowledge/respect for another countries’ players.
"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." - Rickey Henderson
japanese baseball = unproven
how many times do we have to see a taguchi, iwamura, sasaki, shinjo, kaz matsui, etc turn to shit before we stop giving them the benefit of the doubt? there’s been one ichiro…one nomo…and a TON of disappointment coming from the Japanese leagues. so until I see Nishioka repeat anywhere near that kind of success in american baseball (…nevermind the majors), then i am going to give the advancing american-born prospect my vote.
fool me once Kenji Jojima, shame on me. fool me twice Daisuke Matsuzaka, shame on you and the rest of the garbage coming from your country. no offense, Japan.
Nomo vs. Matsuzaka
Not sure why you think Nomo is so much better, but over first four years:
Nomo: 107 ERA+, 1.24 WHIP, 10.0 K/9, 2.49 K/BB, 11.5 WAR
Matsuzaka: 110 ERA+, 1.39 WHIP, 8.30 K/9, 1.95 K/BB, 9.80 WAR
So, Nomo was better, but not enough to draw a line between success and bust. Averaging .4 WAR/year less is barely any difference at all.
by cookiedabookie on Feb 16, 2011 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
Dice-K
Had much higher expectations, no?
by auclairkeithbc on Feb 16, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
before he ever pitched in the bigs?
i think that had much more to do with his early success in the bigs.
by auclairkeithbc on Feb 16, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
nomo v dice k
Dice K was the #1 rated prospect by BA in a pretty loaded 2007 year (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/all-time.html). Nomo mania started when he came to America, had early success and beat out Chipper for ROY. The fact that Nomo is the best pitcher from Japan and he’s barely better than Dice-K only helps my point that Japanese products have left much to be desired. Nishioka had a good year last year but he couldn’t even make the last Japanese WBC team in 2008, his upside is obviously limited compared to the younger American prospects such as Cowart (I think he’s probably better than Brown…but you get the point, it’s not so obvious as you say). So for the most part, in prospect lists, upside > safe plays…especially when that safe play is a Japanese 170 lb middle infielder with limited speed
That's crazy
On BA’s 2007 list, the guys from 11-20 are like 20 times better than 1-10.
11-20 = Lincecum, C. Young, McCutchen, Bruce, Tulo, Gallardo, Brignac, CarGo, Andy LaRoche, Pelfrey
1-10 = Dice-K, Gordon, D. Young, Hughes, Bailey, Maybin, Longoria, Wood, Upton, A. MIller
11-20 is filled with guys who look like perennial All-Stars, Cy Young candidates and a few serious MVP candidates over the next 10 years. The only real flameout has been Laroche, as Brignac and Pelfrey at at least average.
1-10 has one superstar (Longoria), Upton who could plateau or supernova, a few average to good major leaguers and at least Wood and Miller who appear to have flamed out.
Very interesting. It’s obviously too early to make any real conclusions, but there’s enough to say it’s something worth noting.
What about Hideki Matsui?
I’d say he has been a success.
Nishioka
. . . is 26
"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." - Rickey Henderson
Nishioka?
2010 was the first season that Nishioka was healthy enough to play a full, 144-game schedule, and he responded with a career year. He posted a career highs in all three slash categories, at .346/.423/.482 easily eclipsing his previous bests of .300/.366/.463. Nishioka’s batting average was backed by a robust .389 BABIP. His career BABIP is 0.327. Nishioka is not much of a home run threat, but has good speed and will leg out the occasional triple, and swiped 22 bases in 33 attempts last year. He is a switch hitter, who hit well from both sides of the plate last year (.387 as a righty, .329 as a lefty). My prediction: He’s another Kaz Matsui. He’ll hit .240/.310./.360 with 10 SB’s. Pass.
Sure
…they are unproven as major leaguers, of course but, even the players you likst above as failures will have had more sucessfull, big league seasons than many of the players ranked from say 50- to – 100 or lower, on any given prospect list.
We can do the percentages any time you’d like. Japaneese players have a WAY better track record than your average minor leaguer. Im not saying they are all top proepects, or anything like that but, they’re track record is pretty good if you ask me.
"If my uniform doesn't get dirty, I haven't done anything in the baseball game." - Rickey Henderson
yes
of course MANY of the guys ranked from 50 to 100 on a prospect list are going to end up as failures, but we’re talking about the TOP ~0.0001% of Japanese baseball coming over here and of that exclusive group, ONE has panned out to fulfill and exceed his expectations (ichiro), ONE has made a good career for himself here in America (matsui), and the rest have been a disappointment. so yes, the Japanese players who have come here have a WAY better track record than the average minor leaguer, but that’s due to those players coming over being in the top ~0.0001% over in Japan. if you take the tippity top prospects from America I bet they would have a much higher success rate than those from Japan
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Any help would be appreciated.
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