Los Angeles Dodgers Top 20 Prospects for 2012
Los Angeles Dodgers Top 20 Prospects for 2012
The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Comments are welcome, but in the end all analysis and responsibility is mine of course. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2012 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!
QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:
Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.
Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.
Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.
A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.
Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.
Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment in the book for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.
1) Zach Lee, RHP, Grade B+: His statistical performance in the Midwest League was solid rather than spectacular, but I like the combination of present stuff and projection. Future number two starter if all goes well.
2) Nate Eovaldi, RHP, Grade B, Borderline B+. He made huge progress last year, although his major league K/BB ratio was poor and indicates he still needs some refinement. He would probably better off pitching out of the major league bullpen than going to Albuquerque if he doesn't make the rotation in spring training.
3) Allen Webster, RHP, Grade B: Some rough patches in Double-A prevent a B+ in my mind, but he looks like another solid mid-rotation starter.
4) Garrett Gould, RHP, Grade B: I may be overpartial to pitchers from the Midwest, but I like the progress he made last year, regaining his velocity from high school. Like the guys above him, he looks like a future workhorse starter to me.
5) Alfredo Silverio, OF, Grade B-, borderline B: It took him a long time to develop skills to make his tools meaningful, and he still has issues with the strike zone and using his speed on the bases, but progress has been real and he's the best position prospect in the system. Should put up huge numbers in Albuquerque even if his underlying skills don't improve.
6) Chris Reed, LHP, Grade B-, borderline B: They'll need to proceed with some caution as they transition Stanford product from relief to starting, but I like his chances to develop into a number three starter.
7) Josh Lindblom, RHP, Grade B-: Horrible in 2010, much better in 2011, an example of why teams are loathe to give up on pitchers with live arms. Should have a fine career in the bullpen, could get a chance to start again at some point given assortment of pitches.
8) Chris Withrow, RHP, Grade B-: He has just as much talent as the right-handers ahead of him, but is still more thrower than pitcher. The huge leaps that Eovaldi and Lindblom made last year show what can happen when something clicks, and Withrow could be next.
9) Joc Pederson, OF, Grade B-: Very attractive combination of tools and skills. Grade could be much higher next year if he can hit outside the Pioneer League.
10) Angel Sanchez, RHP, Grade B-: Made his pro debut at age 21 in the Midwest League. Live arm, and yet another guy who could be a mid-rotation starter if his secondary pitches develop properly.
11) Gorman Erickson, C, Grade C+: Sleeper catching prospect is more interesting to me than Tim Federowicz. Erickson's glove is solid, he has terrific plate discipline and some power potential, and is nine months younger.
12) Angelo Songco, 1B-OF, Grade C+: Huge power numbers in the California League, but has problems against lefties and is shifting the wrong way on the defensive spectrum. Double-A performance will be instructive, should tell us if he's a future starter or a role player.
13) Blake Smith, OF, Grade C+: Another college bat that mashed in the California League with big power numbers but needs to prove himself at higher levels. More defensive value than Songco, good throwing arm, but a year older.
14) Shawn Tolleson, RHP, Grade C+: Most impressive (after Lindblom) of several live arms that should get a shot in the bullpen within the next year.
15) Aaron Miller, LHP, Grade C+: Forgotten man after losing most of the season with a hernia, but he still has solid stuff from the left side and could blossom with better health and some adjustments with his command.
16) Alex Castellanos, OF-INF, Grade C+: Acquired from the Cardinals. Older prospect at age 25 but has some pop in his bat, runs well, and is versatile with the glove.
17) Scott Van Slyke, OF-1B, Grade C+: Devastatingly effective in the Southern League (.348, 20 homers, 45 doubles) and good bloodlines, but tools are mediocre, he's 25, isn't a great fielder, and scout aren't sure he can catch up with major league pitching. If he keeps hitting like this they will find a place.
18) Jonathan Garcia, OF, Grade C+: Hit just .228 in the Midwest League, but with 19 homers and didn't turn 20 years old until last month. Improvements in plate discipline could result in a breakout in the Cal League.
19) Steve Ames, RHP, Grade C+: Another live-armed bullpen candidate who can emerge in the next year or two.
20) Jake Lemmerman, SS, Grade C+: Scuffled with strike zone in Double-A, but has average tools across the board, some pop, and is praised for his makeup.
OTHERS: Michael Antonini, LHP; James Baldwin, OF; Logan Bawcom, RHP; Justin Boudreaux, SS: Ralston Cash, RHP; O'Koyea Dickson, 1B; Eric Eadington, LHP; Tim Federowicz, C; Stephen Fife, RHP; Leon Landry, OF; Ethan Martin, RHP; Pratt Maynard, C; Scott McGough, RHP; Chris O'Brien, C; Ryan O'Sullivan, RHP; Red Patterson, RHP (a sleeper); Juan Rodriguez, RHP; Kyle Russell, OF; Alex Santana, 3B; Scott Schebler, OF; Josh Wall, RHP.
The Dodgers farm system isn't in terrific condition, but it's not bad, either. They have good strength in right-handed starting pitching: Lee, Eovaldi, Webster, Gould, Sanchez, and Withrow could all develop into workhorse starters and perhaps more. Lee has the best projection and gets the highest grade, but all of these guys have the stuff to succeed, if they stay healthy, of course. There are also several impressive relief arms, beginning with Josh Lindblom who has already shown what he can do in the majors. Keep a close eye on sleeper prospect Red Patterson, who I might bump up to a C+.
Chris Reed and the now-overlooked Aaron Miller provide some southpaw balance as potential mid-rotation starters. Lefty efficiency specialist Mike Antonini is a Grade C type, but was added to the 40-man roster and has the potential to be a surprise. Guys like him sometimes pitch better with a major league defense behind them than they do in the minors, at least in short stretches.
The system is a lot weaker with position players. There are some exciting tools guys (Baldwin stands out) in the organization, but only Silverio and Pederson have shown much polish, the former after a long struggle. Pederson could have the highest grade a year from now if he performs well in full-season ball. There is a group of interesting power hitters (Songco, Smith, Van Slyke, Russell, possibly Dickson) who put up big numbers, but have flaws in their approach, are old for the level, or lack the tools to interest scouts. They should at least get a role player out of that group, although which one it will be is hard to say. Catching prospect Gorman Erickson needs a lot more attention than he's received. Baseball America loves Tim Federowicz. I respect his glove and he'll have a long career, but I don't see his bat being good enough for him to get beyond role player status.
Overall, the system is in fairly decent condition, although the low-budget 2011 draft and lack of aggression on the international market will take a toll if the financial situation isn't rectified quickly. It only takes a bad year or two of weak acquisitions to gut a system, and it is easier to ruin an organization than build one.
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Red Patterson
What have you seen/heard specifically that you think makes him a sleeper?
Statistically, he has some solid peripherals, but he’s always been a bit old for his league and I’ve never heard or seen any interesting scouting report about him.
have watched him a bit
Hard to say that he’s “always” been old for his league . . .this was actually his first full pro season! That said, yeah, he was 24.
patterson
He had a very fine year in A-ball despite coming out of Southwest Oklahoma State. I have a 90-94 report on him with a good slider….another report says 87-90 with a changeup. I’m going Grade C for now due to the age factor, but he qualifies as a sleeper, and the age thing doesn’t bother me as much for pitchers.
Joc Pederson
Just curious on what you think his upside might be? Thanks, John!
pederson
Well ultimate upside would be a 20/20 guy although I don’t think that will happen….how about 15/15 with a strong OBP?
Thanks John, you are one of the first to have anything kind to say about Erickson.
Patience is for those who die waiting for something to happen
It's nice to hear
After the good season he had. Another similar season and he could have a shot at the majors by September. After that happens Pedro Baez will put it all together, then Withrow will do the same.
Man I hope the Erickson and Withrow things would actually come true, lol.
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Erickson
He’s easily the Dodgers’ best catching prospect.
by FeelinKindaBlue on Dec 5, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
He's also Rule V-eligible, correct?
Seems like a guy who’s pretty likely to get taken (and who probably should have been protected), assuming that he is in fact eligible to be picked.
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He is eligible
I think there’s a slight chance he gets taken, but not too likely. He definitely should have been protected.
by FeelinKindaBlue on Dec 5, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
If there’s only a slight chance he’s taken, I’m not sure how it’s definite he should have been protected. He’s almost certainly headed back to Chatanooga for the bulk of the year, which means adding him to the 40 man now puts you in the likely position of burning two option years before you’re ever ready to really look at him at the big league level.
by realitypolice on Dec 5, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I see your point
But when you’re wafer-thin at catcher and your best catching prospect is left unprotected — one with some pop and good plate discipline — it just seems like an unnecessary risk.
I could see a bad team taking a flyer on him and letting him learn on the job. He’s been in the minors for five years. It wouldn’t be that unheard of for a team to take a shot on him in the Rule 5.
When you look at some of the guys added instead of him (Mike Antonini, Stephen Fife) and guys who are still on there instead of him (Trent Oeltjen, Ramon Troncoso, Russ Mitchell), it seems there could have been a spot for the youngster.
Hopefully this will all be moot after Thursday.
by FeelinKindaBlue on Dec 6, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
The days of three catchers on the big league roster have gone the way of major league coaching staffs that want their best pitchers to work the most and most important innings. The only catcher who has been taken and retained in the last decade is Jesus Flores.
by realitypolice on Dec 6, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
James Baldwin outside of the top 20 is interesting
A lot of people will have him in or near the top 10…
baldwin
I respect his ceiling and power/speed combo, but his plate discipline is dismal and my cat could hit .250 in the pioneer league. High ceiling yes, but very high risk.
That's a talented cat.
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Can't agree with Garrett Gould is a B, given your other grades John
BOR arm is his upside. Mostly a name now.
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care to expand?
I’ve read conflicting reports on his stuff, but Callis seems to like Gould enough that it appears he could be a #3, and I tend to believe him.
by another know it all on Dec 5, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think I'd split the difference
I wouldn’t call back of the rotation his upside . . .No. 4 is more like what I’d expect out of him given a normal development track, with the potential to improve on that with better command/more velocity/other development(s) beyond what can be foreseen.
Possible optimistic comp: Gavin Floyd?
That's fine, believe him.
I’m actually not sure if Jeff or I wrote this one. I know his name is on it, but I recall writing it, ha. Either way.
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Nope, that's Jeff.
Looking over my notes, I’m a little more optimistic than Jeff was. But, I don’t see any upside here, really.
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Better rankings than BA
I like these rankings better than Baseball America. The Top 4 are the same as mine.
However, I still fail to see why Silverio is getting as much praise as he is. I know the system took a hit, but I didn’t think his performance warranted a top-5 ranking. Looks like it’s just me.
Like to see Erickson getting some love. Surprised to see Lindblom ranked ahead of Tolleson (the Dodgers’ Minor League Pitcher of the Year).
Good stuff, Mr. Sickels.
Also like seeing Sanchez in the Top 10.
Fair enough
I think there’s more upside with Tolleson, but I was really happy to see what Lindblom did this year as a full-time reliever.
by FeelinKindaBlue on Dec 5, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Tolleson
I do like Tolleson. Saw him get killed in college a few times, but he’s come a long way.
by John Sickels on Dec 5, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
This system SUCKS
So they can churn out #3 pitchers, that’s about it. See any Mike Piazza’s around? I don’t think so.
It's not a terrific system...
but they are really at a crossroads. A good draft or two would really help. A couple of these #2’s and #3’s behind Kershaw looks pretty good in the coming years.
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2011 graduated a bunch of top guys
Meanwhile 2011 is not looking like the greatest draft (likely due to budgetary restrictions from ongoing McCourt saga). Its definitely going to take a great draft or two or some trades to build back up.
the farm just graduated three top prospects
in Dee gordon, Rubby de la rosa, and jerry sands…. obviously its gonna look a little depleted
Not when a system
produces as many guys who played well in 2011 as this one, sorry but NO. It’s not in the top tier but it’s not barren either.
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I want to, I really want to
Oh who are we kidding, here goes.
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I don't get what the major attraction to Silverio is
He’s always seemed like a utility type of player to be, at best, thats even if he turns his dubbed tools into skills which it seems he’s starting to turn that corner.
But I don’t think he’s near a first division regular, I don’t think he’s even exactly a 2nd division starter soon, or long term.
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 5, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions
Good point
The dodgers have a solid group of young talent, better than one might imply by this list …
Rubby De La Rosa, Jerry Sands, Dee Gordon, Kenly Jansen, Javy Guerra, and Scott Elbert all successfully graduated from last years list to the majors (thats 4 B’s and a C+). The only attrition was Trayvon Robinson, who was traded.
+1
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Dec 5, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Jake Lemmerman
He is the only middle infielder in the top 20. With Dodgers getting rid of guys such as Carroll and Furcal do you see him getting a shot either this year or next?
lol not anymore
the dodgers have signed like 6 utility guys this offseason in mark ellis, adam kennedy and hairston…
Farm System Rankings
Farm system rankings
A- or higher
Diamondbacks 4
Royals 2
Orioles 2
Rays 1
Cardinals 1
Rangers 1
Tigers 1
B+ or higher
Blue Jays 8
Cardinals 5
Diamondbacks 4
Braves 4
Royals 4
Orioles 2
Rays 2
Phillies 2
Tigers 2
Astros 2
Rangers 2
Twins 1
Dodgers 1
B or higher
Cardinals 11
Blue Jays 9
Rangers 9
Royals 7
Rays 6
Braves 6
Diamondbacks 5
Tigers 5
Twins 4
Brewers 4
Dodgers 4
Orioles 3
Phillies 2
Astros 2
B- or higher
Blue Jays 17
Rangers 16
Braves 16
Rays 14
Cardinals 13
Royals 13
Twins 13
Diamondbacks 12
Dodgers 10
Brewers 9
Phillies 8
Orioles 7
Tigers 6
Astros 5
Braves are missing from the A- or better list (Teheran obviously)
Noticed you left him off last time, but forgot to mention it. Figured you’d probably want to know
oops
Yea, I just copied the list from last time plus the dodgers and I bolded it, I’ll have to do that.
pederson
better than dejesus and a good comp to brett jackson………..and only 8th in this mediocore group??? either you trust in the tools or you dont………… .
yea
but imo he could easily jump right back up with a good year
by lakersdodgersyankees4life on Dec 6, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
Noted prospect experts Wayne Campbell and Garth Algar could tell you what simian phenomenon is just as likely to happen in the next year.
by realitypolice on Dec 6, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Great comment, ha
Perfectly used too.
‘Does this guy know how to party or what?’
stunned that no one picked Erickson
in rule 5 draft.
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