Community Pitching Prospect #38
by auclairkeithbc on Dec 30, 2011 12:52 PM EST
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PrintWith 23.5% of the open vote, and 55.6% in the runoff, Dellin Betances is elected Pitching Prospect #37.
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RESULTS:
Dellin Betances: 23.5% (55.6% In Runoff)
Sonny Gray: 21.6% (44.4% In Runoff)
Casey Kelly: 11.8%
Garrett Richards: 9.8%
Joe Wieland: 7.8%
Luis Heredia: 5.9%
Jose Campos: 5.9%
Matt Barnes: 3.9% (write in)
Justin Nicolino: 3.9% (write in)
Daniel Norris: 2.0%
Jesse Biddle: 2.0%
Jed Bradley: 2.0% (write in)
Tom Milone: 0%
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CANDIDATES: Sonny Gray, Casey Kelly, Garrett Richards, Joe Wieland, Luis Heredia, Jose Campos, Taylor Jungmann, Taylor Guerrieri, Justin Nicolino, John Lamb
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IN ROTATION: Jed Bradley (#35-2.0%), Addison Reed (#35-0%), Matt Barnes (#36-2.3%), Deck McGuire (#36-2.3%), Nathan Eovaldi (#36-0%), Jarred Cosart (#36-0%), Daniel Norris (#37-2.0%). Jesse Biddle (#37-2.0%), Tom Milone (#37-0%)
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TESTERS: Tyler Thornburg, Allen Webster, Jose Fernandez, Liam Hendricks, Enny Romero, Jeurys Familia, Neil Ramirez, Daniel Corcino, David Holmberg, Alex Colome, Chris Archer, Anthony Ranaudo, Alexander Torres, Alex Meyer, John Hellweg, Cody Bucknel, Kelvin Herrera, Patrick Corbin, Kyle McPherson, Andrew Chafin, Andrew Oliver, Casey Crosby, Drew Smyly, Lance Lynn
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#01 - MATT MOORE - 91.0%
#02 - JULIO TEHERAN - 57.3%
#03 - SHELBY MILLER - 66.7%
#04 - TREVOR BAUER - 40.0%
#05 - TYLER SKAGGS - 30.0%
#06 - GERRIT COLE - 24.3% (65.2% In Runoff)
#07 - JAMESON TAILLON - 26.0% (34.7 In 3-Way Runoff, 51.2% In 2-Way Runoff)
#08 - DYLAN BUNDY - 39.3%
#09 - DANNY HULTZEN - 45.6%
#10 - TAIJUAN WALKER - 31.6% (51.5% In Runoff)
#11 - DREW POMERANZ - 34.2%
#12 - JACOB TURNER - 45.7%
#13 - JARROD PARKER - 44.4%
#14 - JAMES PAXTON - 24.6% (51.6% In Runoff)
#15 - CARLOS MARTINEZ - 48.0%
#16 - RANDALL DELGADO - 28.6%
#17 - ARCHIE BRADLEY - 33.3%
#18 - MARTIN PEREZ - 32.3% (52.6% In Runoff)
#19 - ZACK WHEELER - 29.7% (67.9% In Runoff)
#20 - MATT HARVEY - 32.2% (55.4% In Runoff)
#21 - ROBBIE ERLIN - 37.1%
#22 - ARODYS VIZCAINO - 26.9% (58.5% In Runoff)
#23 - A.J. COLE - 32.2%
#24 - MANNY BANUELOS - 35.0%
#25 - BRAD PEACOCK - 22.4%
#26 - JAKE ODORIZZI - 28.3%
#27 - MIKE MONTGOMERY - 26.8%
#28 - NOAH SYNDERGAARD - 23.0% (50.9% In Runoff)
#29 - TREVOR MAY - 33.3%
#30 - TYRELL JENKINS - 25.0% (64.6% In Runoff)
#31 - ZACH LEE - 27.7% (58.7% In Runoff)
#32 - DREW HUTCHISON - 28.8%
#33 - KEYVIUS SAMPSON - 24.1%
#34 - CHAD BETTIS - 27.5% (52.1% In Runoff)
#35 - NESTOR MOLINA - 24.0%
#36 - WILY PERALTA - 20.9% (77.5% In Runoff)
#37 - DELLIN BETANCES - 23.5 (55.6% In Runoff)
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by Hoegaarden on Dec 30, 2011 5:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
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by auclairkeithbc on Dec 30, 2011 12:53 PM EST reply actions
Matt Barnes
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XandyMan Coming for you!!!!1
by DominicanDandy on Dec 30, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Why. . .
don’t y’all like Taylor Jungmann? Extremely successful for three years at UT, big, well conditioned, throws strikes, good stuff, durable. I swear, on this wacky site that people don’t like like him BECAUSE he doesn’t allow a lot of hits. Just a reminder . . . not allowing hits is actually a GOOD thing!
Happy Holliday's everybody. Be safe and, enjoy! - Case
by casejud on Dec 30, 2011 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pssssh
wrong. We want out pitchers to give up alot of hits, as long as their strikeout rate is elite.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 30, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Amen brotha
. . because, we know it will all even out in the end right? We should consider all .240 and .340 hitters the same too eh?!?
Happy Holliday's everybody. Be safe and, enjoy! - Case
That's
how I do it. That’s why Anthony Gose ranks ahead of Starling Marte, despite nearly a .100 point batting average difference for their careers.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 30, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Shoot
I hate diagreeing with you now, because you seem like such a good dude but, perhaps you need to be thinking of how APESHIT you would be going for Starling Marte if he were playing AA ball …. two years ago!!! That is what Gose did. He’s two, full-years younger.
You still might have a point though, I admit. The age mitigates Marte’s advantage in hit tool some maybe. I’ve always been a bit puzzled by why Marte has been developed by the Pirates at such a slow pace. Honestly thoughy, many of us are making our judgements on players here with a some logic, second-hand reports, statistics, context gut feeling, etc. but, many times without a lot of visual information. I’ve often felt I’d like to watch these two dudes play for a series and see who I like then.
Happy Holliday's everybody. Be safe and, enjoy! - Case
Ya
mine was a tongue in cheek comment. Gose is clearly the better prospect. What Gose lacks in hit tool compared to Marte he makes up for in youth, BB rate, and ability on the basepaths.
For the record, I’ve seen Marte play about a half dozen teams. He is phenomenal. Looks like a deer in the field. Best arm I’ve ever seen in person and it’s not close; I saw him throw a laser from the right-center wall to 3B to nail a guy tagging from 2nd and he did it after catching the ball on the run, rather than be able to get under and step into the throw.
Definitely needs to work on his plate discipline, but it’s not nearly as bad as some people say. He’s just so damn talented he tries to hit everything and often succeeds. In that regard, he’s similar to Robinson Cano (not saying he’s a Robinson Cano level player; just in that specific regard).
Check this out from this ESPN article.
When Cano was young, he swung at almost everything," Newman said. "That was because he could hit everything. But over time, he’s really improved in that area. He’ll never be a player with an even average walk rate, but he definitely swings at better pitches.
I think Marte is the same type of player, except he’s a plus defender in centerfield, although he’s not as talented with the bat.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 31, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Good report
.. what’s funny is that even though you were joking, your post(s) above worked as a pretty good advertisment for Marte over Gose. I’m actually open to it, even though I voted for Gose, because I tend to be an Age Relative to League guy. Marte and Gose are similar in amount of games played in the minors though and, I go back and forth on who will be a better major leaguer.
Nice report and, perhaps a very nice comp though. i bet you hope Marte turns out that good huh ’Cutch? :)
Happy Holliday's everybody. Be safe and, enjoy! - Case
I'll
take 60% of Cano’s bat as long as Marte plays defense as good as its advertised lol.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 31, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Five left in my top 40
Next ten:
Justin Nicolino
Sonny Gray
Jose Campos
Jed Bradley
Joe Wieland
Taylor Guerreri
Tyler Thornburg
Taylor Jungmann
Tom Milone
Daniel Norris
Pitchers left in my overall Top 125
Richards
Kelly
John Lamb
Daniel Norris
Taylor Guerrieri
Matt Barnes
Neil Ramirez
Jed Bradley
Jose Campos
Jose Fernandez
Justin Nicolino
Chris Dwyer
Tyler Matzek
Robert Stephenson
Deck McGuire
Enny Romero
Allen Webster
Aaron Sanchez
Daniel Corcino
Jeurys Familia
Luis Heredia
Alex Colome
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RIP Randy "Macho Man" Savage
Jungmann?
He was more effective than all the college pitchers on this list, then there is HS pitchers who are way farther away, then even a guy who has a major surgery is ahead of him. Does TJ have a deformity of some kind that I’m not aware of?
Happy Holliday's everybody. Be safe and, enjoy! - Case
by casejud on Dec 30, 2011 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's 8th in line for me
And in my top 50 pitchers. Some people were not very high on him coming out of college, based on his stuff, mechanics, etc.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 30, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno
Jungmann worries me a little because of the strikeout rate drop in college this year. yeah, it came with a corresponding fall in walk rate and hit rate, which means it’s possible that he was simply living in the zone more and hitters were just swinging and good stuff in the zone
but since i don’t know how strong the relative divisions are in college baseball, and how good college hitters are in general, i tend to trust strikeout rates more than hit rates in college. i think the guys with awesome strikeout rates in college tend to turn into valuable major leaguers. that’s why i’d go with Sonny Gray here over Jungmann.
by blue bulldog on Dec 31, 2011 3:33 AM EST up reply actions
I do agree with you
. . about strikouts in college corelating to pro success. I’d caution against fixating on one number though. I look at Jungmann vs Gray and I see that Jungmann has pitched better the past three years. Jungmann has won a lot more, allowed quite a bit fewer runs, walked less guys, allowed a lot less hits and, fewer homers. All of this and Gray didn’t even strike out one more guy per nine innings.
Oh, and the Milwaukee Brewers took a look at Jungmann and liked him more.
I like K rate too but, when one guy has higher Ks but, is worse in every other meaurable way AND the other guy Ks a pretty decent amount of guys, that makes me think a little bit.
Happy Holliday's everybody. Be safe and, enjoy! - Case
i don't necessarily disagree with you
i admit i may be underrating Jungmann here, especially because you might be able to explain away the lower strikeout rate with a lower hit rate and lower BB rate
by blue bulldog on Dec 31, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
could be
. . far less explosive bats, an ability to induce soft contact (?), equals less need to miss bats.
Jungmann also K’d 9 per 9 in three years of college, not a bad rate by any means. Gray K’d 9.7 with all the previously mentiioned relative failing, compared to Jungmann.
Happy Holliday's everybody. Be safe and, enjoy! - Case
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