Chicago White Sox Preliminary Prospect List
by John Sickels on Dec 27, 2011 8:03 PM EST
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PrintI have 34 names here plus Rule adjustment Terry Doyle.
As thin as this system is, I find it really hard to believe that they didn't protect Doyle, even with his marginal velocity.
Dylan Axelrod RHP
Jon Bachanov RHP
Chris Bassitt RHP
Mike Blanke C
Jordan Danks OF
Terry Doyle RHP RULE 5 to TWINS
Eduardo Escobar SS
Mark Haddow OF
Deunte Heath RHP
Gregory Infante RHP
Erik Johnson RHP
Tyler Kuhn UT
Charlie Leesman LHP
Jhan Marinez RHP
Christian Marrero 1B
Ozzie Martinez SS
Kyle McMillen RHP
Jared Mitchell OF
Nestor Molina RHP B+
Jake Petricka RHP
Jose Quintana LHP
Rangel Ravelo 3B
Addison Reed RHP
Andre Rienzo RHP
Tyler Saladino SS
Hector Santiago LHP
Marcus Semien SS
Brandon Short OF
Kevan Smith C
Scott Snodgress LHP
Jeff Soptic RHP
Trayce Thompson OF
Keenyn Walker OF
Blair Walters LHP
Andy Wilkins 1B
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What do you guys think of
Juan Silverio? he made some strides at the plate last season.
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nate jones is on the 40 man.
he’s never really developed but he’s probably more likely to see big league time than a lot of the guys on the list.
agree with the first commenter that juan silverio is kind of a prospect. speaking of dominicans, jefferson olacio is what passes for a big international amateur signing in this organization ($125K).
if guys need to be dropped, i’d say christian marrero and mark haddow
John
Thank you for not perpetuating the charade that insists Josh Phegley is still a prospect.
Doyle will probably be back
Can’t see how he makes the Twins’ roster.
To call this organization “thin” is an understatement. There aren’t 10 players here that I particularly like, let alone 20.
Mike Emeigh http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/minor_key/
At least with the new CBA everyone needs to play closer to their level in terms of drafting and signing international FAs.
by polodude017 on Dec 28, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
maybe
Some of the problem has been a lack of draft picks, but the talent evaluation has been very questionable. Dan Hudson is the only non-1st round draft success in recent years, and even the early picks haven’t paid off that well.
"Dan Hudson is the only non-1st round draft success in recent years, and even the early picks haven’t paid off that well."
I wouldn’t go that far, but it has been bad.
by polodude017 on Dec 28, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
And a large part of the problem has been taking low-ceiling guys in early rounds.
Lots of relievers. Have to think that will change with the new slotting system. If it doesn’t, someone needs to be fired.
by polodude017 on Dec 28, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
people really seem to like that gio gonzalez guy considering they're trading for him all the time.
clayton richard, chris young, hector santiago, addison reed, brent morel. most of those guys will pay be fine enough or better regulars.
as you point out, it’s the first round picks that have been the problem. if you’re not getting a good success rate from those guys, it doesn’t matter really what else you’re doing in the draft.
I wasn't considering him as he was drafted back in 2004
Young was even longer ago, 2001.
I was thinking more recently, as in last 4-5 years (basically the last talent cycle). Richard has been largely a Petco mirage, but if you want to consider him a success that’s defensible. Not sure on how Morel ends up, even giving him credit for being rushed. I’ve liked him in the past but his bat is looking fringy. Reed, sure, he should be a good player.
if you’re saying “not sure how _ ends up”, there really isn’t enough of a track record of success or failure to make much of a pronouncement. how many guys drafted in the the second round or later from the 2009-2011 drafts have even made AAA? heck, what about first rounders?
not quite. I'm simply saying I don't have a strong opinion on it one way or the other and would rather not stake a claim to a position I don't hold
As I said, he deserves a little credit for being rushed . . .he clearly should have spent most of 2011 in Triple A. At the same time, he really sucked last year, and as you said, there isn’t a huge track record on him.
Morel was actually a 2008 draftee. 9 other players from his round alone have already made the majors. That said, he’s still been moved aggressively.
i'm aware of when he was drafted.
my point was that you said 4-5 years. that essentially means maybe you’re considering guys from 2007 and 2008. most of which have been nothing more than september call-ups at this point.
in any event, we can all agree they haven’t been particularly productive in drafting major league contributors during the kenny williams era overall, as is evident in their major league roster. my only point is that they certainly changed draft philosophy during this, as you titled it, “last talent cycle”. and the jury is most definitely still out as to whether that change will produce results.
pssst. pay attention, skippy
as you point out, it’s the first round picks that have been the problem
Dylan Axelrod RHP
Jon Bachanov RHP
Chris Bassitt RHP
Mike Blanke C
Jordan Danks OF
Terry Doyle RHP RULE 5 to TWINS
Eduardo Escobar SS
Mark Haddow OF
Deunte Heath RHP
Gregory Infante RHP
Erik Johnson RHP
Nate Jones RHP
Tyler Kuhn UT
Charlie Leesman LHP
Jhan Marinez RHP
Ozzie Martinez SS
Kyle McMillen RHP
Jared Mitchell OF
Nestor Molina RHP B+
Jake Petricka RHP
Jose Quintana LHP
Rangel Ravelo 3B
Addison Reed RHP
Andre Rienzo RHP
Tyler Saladino SS
Hector Santiago LHP
Marcus Semien SS
Brandon Short OF
Juan Silverio 3B
Kevan Smith C
Scott Snodgress LHP
Jeff Soptic RHP
Trayce Thompson OF
Keenyn Walker OF
Blair Walters LHP
Andy Wilkins 1B
Yeah, the Doyle decision was baffling..
He went to the AFL pitching for a roster spot and for a month was the best pitcher in the league and he still got cut.
Maybe Ozzie’s flakiness has rubbed off on everyone else.
since the changes to the eligibility requirements for the rule 5 draft
two drafted and unreturned pitchers have been above replacement level performers: darren o’day and joe paterson.
terry doyle was never going to pitch for the white sox. it was courteous of the club to let him have an opportunity with a club that might let him. and it’s not like C pitching prospects is what this team lacks.
list of some pitchers the white sox have sent to the AFL in the past few seasons
henry mabee. matt long. johnnie lowe. justin cassel. jacob rasner. i’m sure you’re aware that each club is required to contribute players so that, you know, the AFL teams have enough players to actually play games.
yes, and yet
I’m sure there are players the Sox can envision being possibilities, even distant ones, for the major league team one day. It doesn’t make sense to use the roster spot on a pitcher who is viewed by the team as strictly organizational fodder. They could have even sent the aforementioned Santiago, who has been picking up a few innings in winter ball anyways.
santiago needed to rest. good lord did the man need to rest. he was out of gas for the last month at birmingham. that's why he wasn't a september call-up.
i’m also sure you’re aware that each team is supposed to send one pitcher who can start games. most teams aren’t willing to send their better starters if they’ve pitched full seasons in the minors already. that’s why guys like lowe and cassel have been the designated white sox starters in the past. in recent history, they’ve sent lucas harrell who was kind of a prospect. but they sent him because he needed to get his innings up after missing time with injury. i can’t think of any starter the white sox had this season – at any level – who was kind of sort of a prospect who missed enough time to warrant being slated as a starter in the AFL. it was nice of the white sox to send doyle there to let him showcase himself for other teams. it worked out perfectly for him.
as for whether it makes sense or not, every single team sends organizational pitching fodder to the AFL. that’s one of the reasons it’s considered a very favorable league for hitters.
"every single team sends organizational pitching fodder to the AFL."
Not always.
For the White Sox, yes, because their entire organization is fodder, so how can they help it?
i'm pretty comfortable with my assertion.
perhaps you have a more expansive view of what is a prospect. the alumni list appears to support me.
Each team is required to send seven players.
There are no positional requirements.
Here's what I'm interested in
The Athletics, in the Cahill, Gonzalez and Bailey trades, have netted the following 9 prospects (grades): Parker (A-); AJ Cole (B+); Peacock and Norris (B); Milone (B-); and Cook, Cowgill, Alcantara and Head (C+).
So, would you rather have these 9 prospects, or the entire Chicago system /
Well Molina and Reed
Cancel out Cole and Peacock, in my mind. The four C+ can cancel out four of the Sox C+ prospects. So you are left with Parker, Norris, Milone vs. 2 C+ prospects and the rest of the entire system. If you think there is no way any of the rest of the Sox players will ever contribute value, then you go with the A’s trade haul. But there are a lot of eggs in the Sox basket, versus three in the A’s basket. It is a tough call.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
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