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Los Angeles Angels Top 20 Prospects for 2012

Los Angeles Angels Top 20 Prospects for 2012

The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Comments are welcome, but in the end all analysis and responsibility is mine of course. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2012 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!

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QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:

Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.

Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.

Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.

A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.

Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.

Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment in the book for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.

1) Mike Trout, OF, Grade A: Complete player: hits for average, hits for power, steals bases, will draw walks, plays great defense. Was rushed to the majors, but there should be no doubts about his star potential. He looked exhausted in the Arizona Fall League and the collapse of his plate discipline there was likely just a glitch.

2) Garrett Richards, RHP, Grade B. Hard to believe this guy couldn't get college hitters out, but he's come a long way in three years. I might be overrating him a tad with the B+, that grade is under review, but he looks like a strong mid-rotation starter to me and possibly more.

3) Jean Segura, SS-2B, Grade B: Same grade he got last year which seems appropriate given the season lost to injury. Adapted well to shortstop although I've talked with people who think he'll still end up at 2B. In person, he looks a lot stockier/bulkier than his listed height/weight data, though the quickness is still obvious. I want to see his bat in Double-A.

4) Taylor Lindsey, 2B, Grade B-: I want to see his bat outside the easy-offense Pioneer League, but a young middle infielder with pop draws my notice. His defense turned out to be better than expected as well. Should develop into some sort of Adam Kennedy/Todd Walker type regular.

5) Kaleb Cowart, 3B, Grade B-: I want to see his bat outside the easy-offense Pioneer League, but a switch-hitting third baseman with power potential and a promising glove is intriguing. Needs to get the strike zone under control to thrive at higher levels.

6) C.J. Cron, 1B, Grade B-: I want to see his bat outside the easy-offense Pioneer League. It didn't impact his production, but his plate discipline wasn't as good as it was in college, and he's not much of a fielder. He should still mash his way to the majors fairly quickly.

7) John Hellweg, RHP, Grade B-: Weird season in the Cal League, was horrible in relief (7.71 ERA, 33/31 K/BB in 26 innings), but suddenly figured out how to pitch as a starter (2.12 ERA, 80/28 K/BB in 64 innings, 5.00 GO/AO). Upper-90s fastball, slider, changeup, 6-9 height. Is the breakthrough sustainable? If it is, will be at least a B+ a year from now.

8) Luis Jimenez, 3B, Grade B-: Doesn't get much attention outside of Angels fandom, but he had a good year in Double-A (.290/.335/.486, 40 doubles, 18 homers, 15 steals) at age 23 and is a solid defender. A candidate to sneak up on us.

9) Nick Maronde, LHP, Grade B-: Third round pick from University of Florida in '11, relieved in college but being converted to starter. Good fastball/slider combo, working on changeup. Number three starter if all goes well.

10) Dan Tillman, RHP, Grade C+: Borderline B-. The best of several relief arms that will be ready within the next year or two. Low-to-mid-90s fastball, very good slider.

11) Kole Calhoun, OF-1B, Grade C+: Borderline B-. Not toolsy but continues to exceed expectations, battered Cal League pitching, steals bases despite average speed. Raise grade if he keeps hitting in Double-A.

12) Randal Grichuk, OF, Grade C+: Better tools than Calhoun and younger, but prone to injury and has serious issues with plate discipline. Could develop into an excellent slugger, but could also fizzle out in Double-A.

13) Fabio Martinez Mesa, RHP, Grade C+: Hard to rank due to health. Big "ifs" with bad shoulder and persistent command issues, but overpowering. My guess is that he ends up in bullpen eventually.

14) Jeremy Moore, OF, Grade C+: Has power, runs very well, steals bases, hits plenty of doubles, triples, and some homers, very good outfield glove despite mediocre arm. A broad range of tools and skills, but inability to control the strike zone keeps him from projecting as a regular. Could still be useful bench player, perhaps more if he shows some late-blooming plate discipline.

15) Ariel Pena, RHP, Grade C+: Hard-thrower, impressive fastball and slider, struck out 180 in 152 innings in Cal League but also walked 81. Could rank as high as 10th if you believe in his ability to develop changeup and improve command.

16) Matt Long, OF, Grade C+: Showed solid speed/power/patience combo in the California League, like Calhoun he plays above his tools and has exceeded expectations. Six months older than Calhoun and not as much pop in the bat, but could be very useful role player.

17) Cam Bedrosian, RHP, Grade C+: Can't rank higher until we see how Tommy John recovery goes.

18) Carlos Ramirez, C, Grade C: Short, stocky catcher hit great in the California League. Former Arizona State star has a very good glove, will take a walk, has some gap power, but probably won't hit enough to be a regular.

19) Trevor Reckling, LHP, Grade C: Former top prospect has seen his stock drop due to loss of velocity, command problems, and a sore elbow. Still young at 22 and it is too soon to give up on him, but he might need a change of scenery.

20) David Carpenter, RHP, Grade C: Posted 0.57 ERA in 48 innings between High-A and Double-A, 52/14 K/BB, 35 hits, 2.10 GO/AO, 16 saves. Stuff doesn't match the stats, but he gets his sinker into the low-90s and could be a solid middle reliever.

OTHERS: Alexi Amarista, INF; Abel Baker, C; Chevy Clarke, OF; Mike Clevinger, RHP; Steve Geltz, RHP; Frazier Hall, 1B; Ryan Mount, 2B; Nick Mutz, RHP; Darwin Perez, SS; Donn Roach, RHP; Andrew Romine, SS; Max Russell, LHP; Chris Scholl, RHP; A.J. Schugel, RHP; Matt Shoemaker, RHP; Daniel Vargas-Vila, RHP; Travis Witherspoon, OF, Austin Wood, RHP.

This system is better than I thought it was at first glance, although it isn't elite right now.

Mike Trout is the big star here, of course, the second-best hitting prospect in baseball behind Bryce Harper. He didn't look like his normal self in the Arizona Fall League, losing the strike zone and not playing with his normal zest, but the general consensus is that he was just tired and will be fine in the spring. Jean Segura should develop into a major league regular, although I'm not quite as high on him as some people are. Lindsey (2B), Cowart (3B), and Cron (1B) are the core of a major league infield, however I want to see what they can do outside the Pioneer League. All three have strike zone issues. If they hit in full-season ball, you could have three B+ prospects next year.

Luis Jimenez strikes me as an underrated prospect worthy of more respect than he receives. Kole Calhoun, Matt Long, and toolsy Jeremy Moore should all be useful role playing outfielders. Recent heavy bets in the draft with tools guys like Grichuk, Clarke, and Ryan Bolden haven't panned out, although Trout shows what happens when you hit on one of those wagers.

The pitching side has one premium prospect in Garrett Richards and more live arms-with-questions behind him. Hellweg could be the best pitching prospect in the system by mid-season if his second-half turnaround as a starter is for real. Nick Maronde should be solid if the changeup comes around. Hard-throwers Fabio Martinez-Mesa and Ariel Pena are enigmatic; they could both be terrific, but only the monkey knows if FMM is healthy, and Pena has to get the walks down. There is a lot of raw material for a bullpen, beginning with Tillman, then continuing with Carpenter. Clevinger, Geltz, Mutz, Roach, Scholl, and Schugel all have relief potential.

Overall, this isn't a bad system and could look much better a year from now if the Orem contingent hits at higher levels. It would also look much worse if they don't.

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Richards: shouldn’t a 23 year-old in AA with Richards’s stuff strike out more than 6.5/9? Seems like a red flag

Cron: Legit 80 power, they say. Is he another Goldschlugger? He strikes me as at least a B.

Cowart: Would like to see a some better production. Seems to be trading on his name and draft status a little.

by Trashman on Dec 22, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Richards

The strikeouts are an issue, yes.

by John Sickels on Dec 22, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Ryan Ghan wrote about Richards' declining K-rate at length.

He thinks it’s organizational — an artifact of an instructional approach at the AA affiliate that’s reflected in several prospects’ peripherals there.

See: http://mobile.halosheaven.com/2011/11/28/2590666/richards-ready-for-the-show-top-angels-prospect-performances-of-2011

by Turks Teeth on Dec 22, 2011 2:36 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

hmm

Fascinating…. Though is is compelling?

Ghan cites Weaver, but he dropped from an absurd 13.4 k/9 in A+ down to a still dominant 9.6. Santana went from 9.4 to 7, which is a little more noteworthy I suppose, but he was 20, while Richards is 23. Joe Saunders dropped from a mediocre 6.5 to more mediocre 5.8, at a comparable age to Richards, and continues not to strike anyone out in the Majors.

If the strategy is to pound the strike zone in Arkansas, you’d think there would be an accompanying decline in walk rate with these guys. I don’t see that with any of these guys.

I guess Santana is the best model, but he was so much younger it’s hard to compare him to Richards. Either way, something strikes me as funny about that stat. What kind of pitcher do we think Richards will be. I see an Edwin Jackson as his upside – lots of velocity, but not quite the performance one might expect given that advantage.

by Trashman on Dec 22, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Great point about the lack of change in walk rate.

Hadn’t thought of that.

Chatwood, Reckling, and (I think) Walden talked about the “three pitch mantra” in interviews earlier in their career, with quotes from their pitching coach backing them up. Abe Flores, former head of Angels’ player development, also mentioned it when I last interview him.

At any rate, I remain convinced that the organizational philosophy played a role in Richards’ AA rate stats, though to what degree is debatable. We’ll know more next year.

And good god, I hope Richards fastball sees more success than Jackson’s. That may be a good, if chilling, comp.

by rghan on Dec 22, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm curious if this would improve Richards ranking

the three pitch mantra seems like something that could have affected his K rate.

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 22, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

In the majors, he strictly used his FB/Slider as well

Angels pitching coach wanted him to use his 2 best pitches and not think too much during his cup of coffee in the bigs.

by deltarich on Dec 22, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

CJ Cron power

I don’t think he’s quite on the Paul Goldschmidt level as far as pure power goes & I doubt he’s an ‘80’ (at least from what I’ve gathered). Either way, I could see the case for him as a higher ‘grade’ as he does have plus power & should move quickly if he’s to succeed.

I concur with you on your other two points however. Garrett Richards is far from a lock to stay a SP in my opinion.

by Matt0330 on Dec 23, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Hellweg

Hellweg (not Hellwig)

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. George Carlin

by GregJP on Dec 22, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

I think Darwin Perez is a sleeper.

Surprised he isn’t seen as such. Voted best defender at short in the MiLB last season, and knows how to take a walk. Had a great first half in AA in 2011, but flagged down the stretch. Holding his own in winter ball in the Caribbean Leagues.

This kid is going to make the show, at minimum in a reserve capacity, and will be valued for his defense.

by Turks Teeth on Dec 22, 2011 1:59 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

He's in the book. Here is the comment.

Darwin Perez is a Venezuelan infielder signed back in 2005. Although he’s been playing professional baseball for six seasons, he is still just 22 years old entering 2012. As a hitter, he has very little power, but makes an effort to work counts and is adept at drawing walks. He runs and bunts well and plays the "little ball" game. Defensively, his best position is second base although he’s spent most of his time at shortstop. He is very reliable and made just nine errors in 117 games at short last year, but his range and arm fit better at second. Perez won’t hit enough to start, but he has enough skills to vie for a bench job. Grade C.

by John Sickels on Dec 22, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see him as a Reggie Willits that plays SS

I’m hoping for more because the organization is sorely lacking OB type players like him

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 22, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I like that you give credit where it is due

The Angels system tends to be overlooked, but is very deep in talent. I think you have a firm grasp on where they are as an organization. A lot of the top talent is in the lower minors. If they succeed at the higher levels then the Angels have one of the strongest minor league systems in baseball. Not all of them will but there are some names in there that look like major league regulars in the future (Segura and Cron specifically).

Credit to you John for not overlooking Luis Jimenez as many other prospect sites do. The kid keeps hitting and is fielding his position well. Swings at everything between the foul poles but he doesn’t strike out and that’s important. Very good gap power and solid home run power to boot.

"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor

by Halowood on Dec 22, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

Lucho Jimenez

I’m a big fan of his. Those were some impressive numbers in AA playing in a pitchers park/environment. I keep reading comps to Adrian Beltre, and would be thrilled if he could be close to that in his peak

by deltarich on Dec 22, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been well. Life is good. How about yourself?

"You play for Cleveland? I didn't know they still had a team." - Claire Holloway
"Yup, we've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!" - Jake Taylor

by Halowood on Dec 22, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess Conger isn't considered a prospect anymore or....

do you not rate him very high? I know there are issues with his defense.

"The Transplant" (So. Cal boy stuck in NYC)

by BryanHarvey'sMoustache on Dec 22, 2011 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

What the heck to we make of Reckling at this point?

In most cases I would feel like this is a buy-low opportunity for other teams, but in this case I’m not so sure.

by polodude017 on Dec 22, 2011 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

Cron can't play

I’ve been watching him since he was in seventh grade, and the only reason he got drafted is because he’s the son of an former major leaguer.

Courtesy pick.

He may get a few cups of coffee, but don’t be surprised if he’s selling cars by the time he’s 30.

John’s right, fatigue was a factor for Trout in the AFL, but the best part for me was seeing him playing next to Harper on the same team.

Someone was mentioning on another thread about “tools” and while Harper’s arm and power are legit, Trout’s clearly got the better package and is the better player.

Segura’s to high, Jeremy Moore too low.

Otherwise, no arguments.

by Kelsdad on Dec 22, 2011 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

I think your my new favorite poster
Cron can’t play

I’ve been watching him since he was in seventh grade, and the only reason he got drafted is because he’s the son of an former major leaguer.

Courtesy pick.

Will you teach me your ways?

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 22, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

idk Kelsdad is pretty genius

I’ve never known a first round draft pick to be a courtesy pick

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 22, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

but they do sometimes work out

see Mike Piazza

go long with extenze...i do

by angelsownredsux on Dec 22, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Sean Burroughs wasn’t a courtesy pick. And for a couple years, he was a solid major league player.

by boonitez on Dec 22, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Barry Binds only got picked

because he was the sin of a major leaguer

Griffey Jr. too

by Rev Halofan on Dec 22, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Never heard of Barry Binds

Barry Bonds was pretty good though!

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by King Billy Royal on Dec 22, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Please never change.

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RIP Randy "Macho Man" Savage

by gatling on Dec 23, 2011 6:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Segura

He’s the classic “B/Borderline B+” player — he’s a B+ talent but we haven’t seen him above A+ and he was injured for most of the year, so I’d be a bit leery to give him higher than B at this point.

by Angelsjunky7 on Dec 23, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Jett Bandy

Is he a prospect or minor league filler? Watched him a lot at Arizona and had a great sophomore season before falling apart in his junior year. Angels picked him up late in the draft and he had a nice debut in rookie ball.

by Pitvipers on Dec 29, 2011 2:58 AM EST reply actions  

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