Community Pitching Prospect #34 RUNOFF
by auclairkeithbc on Dec 22, 2011 12:04 PM EST
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PrintNestor Molina and Chad Bettis tied in the open vote and now will face off to determine the 34th pitching prospect.
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#01 - MATT MOORE - 91.0%
#02 - JULIO TEHERAN - 57.3%
#03 - SHELBY MILLER - 66.7%
#04 - TREVOR BAUER - 40.0%
#05 - TYLER SKAGGS - 30.0%
#06 - GERRIT COLE - 24.3% (65.2% In Runoff)
#07 - JAMESON TAILLON - 26.0% (34.7 In 3-Way Runoff, 51.2% In 2-Way Runoff)
#08 - DYLAN BUNDY - 39.3%
#09 - DANNY HULTZEN - 45.6%
#10 - TAIJUAN WALKER - 31.6% (51.5% In Runoff)
#11 - DREW POMERANZ - 34.2%
#12 - JACOB TURNER - 45.7%
#13 - JARROD PARKER - 44.4%
#14 - JAMES PAXTON - 24.6% (51.6% In Runoff)
#15 - CARLOS MARTINEZ - 48.0%
#16 - RANDALL DELGADO - 28.6%
#17 - ARCHIE BRADLEY - 33.3%
#18 - MARTIN PEREZ - 32.3% (52.6% In Runoff)
#19 - ZACK WHEELER - 29.7% (67.9% In Runoff)
#20 - MATT HARVEY - 32.2% (55.4% In Runoff)
#21 - ROBBIE ERLIN - 37.1%
#22 - ARODYS VIZCAINO - 26.9% (58.5% In Runoff)
#23 - A.J. COLE - 32.2%
#24 - MANNY BANUELOS - 35.0%
#25 - BRAD PEACOCK - 22.4%
#26 - JAKE ODORIZZI - 28.3%
#27 - MIKE MONTGOMERY - 26.8%
#28 - NOAH SYNDERGAARD - 23.0% (50.9% In Runoff)
#29 - TREVOR MAY - 33.3%
#30 - TYRELL JENKINS - 25.0% (64.6% In Runoff)
#31 - ZACH LEE - 27.7% (58.7% In Runoff)
#32 - DREW HUTCHISON - 28.8%
#33 - KEYVIUS SAMPSON - 24.1%
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by Calvn n Hobbs on Dec 23, 2011 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
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by Gobroks on Dec 22, 2011 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is it just me . .
. . or, are these two guys pretty suimilar? 22 year olds, similar size, pitched very sucessfully in High A, threw a TON of strikes, missed a good amount of bats, etc. Bettis may have a bigger fastball and, Molina’s repetoire may be more diverse but, there are have been rumbling of both as bullpen arms. Obviously another difference is that although Bettis looks like he has very good control, nobody has better control than Nestor Molina (except Rob Erlin?).
I know we have been instructed to judge prospects in a vacuum but, when one guy is a tad closer and has a clearer path to a starting rotation spot, can that logically be the tie-breaker?
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Scouts don't like Nestor Molina's & his #'s nearly as much as they say we/them should.
Yoenis Cespedes
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 22, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
neither would get my vote, but Bettis here easily between the 2
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Dec 22, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Posted in poll thread
Personally, I went with Molina. I like Bettis, and have him on my own list in the low 30s (and ahead of some people already on). But I like Molina just a tad more. Both are the same age, Molina made it to AA (albeit for only 22 IP), while Bettis made it to A+. They are the same height, with Bettis being more filled out than Molina right now.
Molina: 28.9 K%, 3.1 BB%, 9.25 K/BB, 2.12 FIP
Bettis: 26.7 K%, 6.5 BB%, 4.09 K/BB, 2.73 FIP
Molina bests Bettis in every category, especially in BB rate. Molina has good scouting reports, with a low 90s fastball and a plus sinker. Bettis has the better fastball, but his secondaries sound like they are behind Molina’s at this point. Both good pitching prospects, but I have to give the edge to Molina.
Molina has a plus splitter/changeup – don’t know if that’s what you mean by sinker. Also, the scouting reports in Molina are what I would term mixed, at best. There are also concerns about his mechanics.
Sinker/Splitter same to me. Bettis also has some scouting concerns, and was originally drafted as a relief pitcher. They are close in pretty much everything, which is why Molina’s results, especially his control, put him ahead for me.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 22, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I see
I went Bettis here, but I’ll admit that it’s more of a gut feel about Molina here than anything. Before the trade, I had him as the 5th pitcher in the Jays system, and didn’t think he was more than fringe top-50 pitcher, it if all. I think he’s destined for the bullpen. I don’t love Bettis, but there’s a number of (non-Jays) pitchers I would put ahead of Molina. I almost feel like I maybe should have skipped this one, as I did other votes with Jays prospects, but the relative info gap is big as to lead to bias one way or the other ).
Why are a sinker and a splitter the same thing to you?
Or am I just nitpicking?
It's more of how they were used when I was growing up
Now, a sinker is a faster pitch than a splitter, but both are pitches that break down and in to a right handed batter from a right handed pitcher.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 23, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, that makes sense
I tend to think of the separation of velocity as being more important than the movement of the pitch, but i can understand the philosophical difference you’re referring to.
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Bettis wins a close one with 52.1% of the vote.
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