Rating last year's rookies-results and a final poll question
by Dalman on Dec 12, 2011 10:19 PM EST
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PrintJose Altuve narrowly wins the wins the 25th and final spot on our list. But, it was very close, and with the benefit of your cooperation in voting for your favorite and second favorite we are able to add several additional honorable mentions in approximate order of support. The final list is below:
1. Brett Lawrie, 3b Toronto Blue Jays (51%)
2, Eric Hosmer, 1b Kansas City Royals (57%)
3. Michael Pineda, P Seattle Mariners (38%)
4. Dustin Ackley, 2b Seattle Mariners (41%)
5. Desmond Jennings, of Tampa Bay Rays (47%)
6. Jeremy Hellickson, P Tampa Bay Rays (49%)
7. Freddie Freeman, 1B Atlanta Braves (45%)
8. Brandon Beachy, P Atlanta Braves (27%)
9. Brandon Belt, OF/!B San Francisco Giants (33%)
10. Mike Moustakas, 3b Kansas City Royals (38%)
11. Domonic Brown, of Philadelphia Phillies (32%) (70% runoff)
12. Jason Kipnis, 2b Cleveland Indians 29%
13. Cory Luebke, P San Diego Padres 19% (59% runoff)
14. Paul Goldschmidt, 1b Arizona Diamondbacks 26%
15. Danny Espinosa, 2b Washington Nationals 36%
16. Craig Kimbrel, P Atlanta Braves, 38%
17. Aroldis Chapman, P Cincinnati Reds 56%
18. Wilson Ramos, C Washington Nationals 38%
19. Chris Sale, P Chicago White Sox 26%
20. Mike Minor, P Atlanta Braves 40%
21. Salvador Perez, C Kansas City Royals 24%
22. Jemile Weeks, 2b Oakland A's 26% (67% runoff)
23. Vance Worley, p Philadelphia Phillies 29%
24. Danny Duffy, p Kansas City Royals 29%
25. Jose Altuve, 2b Houston Astros 25% (of first place votes)
hm Zach Brittton, P Baltimore Orioles
hm Mark Trumbo, 1b Los Angeles Angels
hm Lonnie Chisenhall, 3b Cleveland Indians
also receiving a fair amount of support in the final round were Juan Nicasio (pitcher, Colorado Rockies), Dayan Viciedo (3b Chicago White Sox) and Dee Gordon ss Los Angeles Dodgers)
Others on the ballot in the final round and receiving a vote or receiving a vote by write in were: JD Martinez, Lucas Duda, Allen Craig, and Eric Thames
That leaves as the group who were on the ballot but never found any support: Kyle Drabek, Ben Revere, Mike Carp, Josh Collmenter, Kenley Jansen, Aaron Crow, Tyler Chatwood, Ivan Nova, Alex Cobb and Jordan Walden..
Never even got on the ballot: tJordan Lyles, Jerry Sands, Craig Gentry, Al Alberquerque, Kyle Seager, Brian Bogusevic, Greg Holland and we also never got to Hank Conger.
I enjoyed doing this--having just done 25 plus a few write ins and knowing how much time that took a definite shout out is in order to those continuing to hack away at the "main" community prospect lists
I'll close with a final poll. Which major league team had what will go down as the best rookie class of 2011
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"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White
by Beachy Keen on Dec 12, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Rays +1
Seriously? No mention? Jennings, Cobb, and Hellickson are an excellent trio, perhaps better than any other. Factor is some other valuable pieces, and I like the Rays the most.
You aren't being objective
The Royal’s top two players are just as good (being generous) by any rational measure and, they have sev er al other players who figure to be very very strong contributors down the line. For instance, it could be argued that no less than 4 or 5 Royals rookies project to be better than Alex Cobb, couldn’t it?
I think if you were being honest you would see this. Go chenge that vote!? Lol, just kidding. I believe in homersim, kind of like I believe in patriotism. I think authentic homerism involves evaluating ones one favorite teams prospects honestly and, critically . . . but, shit, what do I know?
" Kenny G has a Christmas album out this year. Hey, happy birthday, Jesus! Hope you like crap! " - Norm MacDonald
Which I am.
You are forgetting just how good Cobb is. If he didn’t pitch the additional 5 or so innings, he would be a B+/A- prospect right now.
I like Hosmer a little more than Jennings (assuming the bad defense was fluky), but I am not a believer in Moose.
Hellickson gives you a guy who should/could become a 3-4 WAR starter, starting next year.
Unless Brett Lawrie becomes like an 8 WAR player, I’m not sure why the Rays would be lower.
To add onto this, I don't believe you can call someone a homer on something that is completely subjective and is a legit question.
I ran a poll around a year ago asking who was better, the Rays top three lefties or the Royals? I was called a homer immediately. However, going back now, it is pretty clear that the Rays are even if not ahead. I’m not trying to tuse that as any type of evidence that I am right. I know the Rays system though, and I see three top 50 prospects who are in an organization that prides themselves in developing good MLB players.
I forgot about McGee too. He, from what I have seen, should develop into a relief ace. That isn’t worth a whole lot, but 2-3 wins is nothing to scoff at.
Thats cool
I take it back then, my bad. It doesn’’t make any difference anyways really. I just don’t see baseball through the lense of one team or, any team in particular so that makes me sceptical of those who do. I will always feel that way. Just the fact that you are looking and, rooting, hoping for one teams players to do well precludes your being able to just look at the respective players involved in a discussion, doesn’t it.?
" Kenny G has a Christmas album out this year. Hey, happy birthday, Jesus! Hope you like crap! " - Norm MacDonald
I don't know about that.
At some point you have to draw the line between being an objective fan and being a homer.
I admit, I used to be a 100% homer, but I have cooled down quite a bit now. Being a homer is often a result of knowing more about your team and not enough about others. I used to think that the Rays were the only team with these interesting guys and such, but I have backed off of that as I have learned more about all MLB prospects.
Its all good
At least you open about it. Its supposed to be fun anyways and, I take it too seriously sometimes lol. I was a huge Brewers fan as a kid but, Im a Mariners fan now. Thats probably why Im bitter!
" Kenny G has a Christmas album out this year. Hey, happy birthday, Jesus! Hope you like crap! " - Norm MacDonald
Alex Cobb
You’d be hard pressed to find many Non-Rays fans who would give him a B+, much less an A-.
Better question: why not?
He never got prospect fandom because he was under the radar for quite a while.
Cobb has an average FB, an above average curve, and a plus split-change.
He has good pitchability and command. He gets groundballs. He has dominated every Milb level he has faced and did well in his MLB time.
He isn’t a future star, but he is a very good bet to be a 2/3 starter.
I have them second, behind Royals
I was surprised they weren’t listed. It is close between them and the Braves.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 13, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I probably should have listed the Rays
they were certainly the only other team I even considered adding to the list. As you probably gathered from the comment I was joking somewhat my listing the Jays, based almost entirely on Lawrie’s impending superstardom. I certainly have the Rays class in aggregrate significantly ahead of them. Closer call between the Rays and the Mariners, I had leaned Mariners when I posted this but am having some second thoughts.
Angels
obviously, we are drawing somewhat arbitrary lines (albeit based on mlb rookie definitions) as to who counts and who doesn’t. In a world where you count all of the above, plus Bourjos who was in his first full year, it is clear that the Angels recent influx of talent ranks right up there with any of these teams.
It is kind of weird
That Lyles probably made a few top 25 prospect lists last year, but never even got on the official poll for the top 25 rookies. Such a deep class.
by auclairkeithbc on Dec 13, 2011 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
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