Royals trade Melky Cabrera to Giants for Jonathan Sanchez
by casejud on Nov 7, 2011 3:26 PM EST
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PrintI'm a big Melky guy but, I like this trade for both. The Royals probably want to give Lorenzo Cain a shot in CF and, the Giants have enough starting pitching and really needed another bat as well as a Centerfielder. Jonathan Sanchez is a much needed, high-upside, reasonably priced starter for the next couple of seasons for the Royals before he hits free agency.
They Royals also got lefty Ryan Verdugo in the deal. Don't know a lot about him but he posted very nice strikout numbers in the minors as a reliever from 2008 -2010 (113 IP, 167 Ks, 13.3/9 IP) before being switched over to starting this season. He wasn't terrible as a starter either.
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I've never met anyone that is a "big Melky guy"
May I ask why?
I think this is a surprisingly great trade for the Royals. They essentially traded one year of Melky Cabrera for one year of Jonathan Sanchez. KC has Lorenzo Cain ready to step in at CF for the next six years who may provide more overall value than Cabrera.
Melky sucks. He flat out can't hit.
Melky had a 121 OPS+ this year and can handle CF. Next season is his age-27 campaign. He had 3 averagish seasons before breaking out as a 26 year old. He made the majors at a very young age. He can fill up a stat line, and there’s some reason to believe he changed his approach at the plate this season, leading to better results.
As long as he stays in shape, I don’t see why there’s any reason to believe Melky won’t be at least an average CF next season.
Interesting title
Sort of threw me off from where your eventual text went.
Hehe
Just having a little fun. John pretty famously (or maybe not, I guess) said “Melky sucks. He can’t hit.” back in this thread http://www.minorleagueball.com/2006/3/3/16420/08548
AFAIK, that’s the furthest off the mark John’s ever been. Which is to say, that’s a pretty good track record.
um
considering that the analysis was made in 2006, and Melky wasn’t good until 2011 (and there’s a reasonable chance that 2011 was a fluke year), i’d say that John wasn’t even that far off the mark
by blue bulldog on Nov 7, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Job
Lighten up. It was a little rib.
It’s John’s job to do things like look 5 years into the future and discern whether or not a player would turn out to be decent. While Melky didn’t break out till 2010, he was serviceable (and not sucky) in the years prior. I think it’s pretty fair to say John missed on this one, and like I said above, if Melky Cabrera’s your biggest miss, you’re doing pretty well.
the reason i made that comment
is because i don’t think people value discounting the future enough in prospect valuations. they think some prospect is good when they are in the minors, and they proceed to be nothing special for the next four years in the majors, then finally have an above-average year, and all of a sudden it’s like they were vindicated and the prospect was good after all
people have to realize that if a prospect sucks the first couple of years when they enter into the majors, they are easily replaceable with other prospects/free agents. hence, if they are only valuable years down the line, then they weren’t all that valuable as a prospect in the first place.
6.8 career fWAR in a career of essentially six full seasons.
He kind of sucks, actually… John wasn’t much off the mark on that one.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 7, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Melky's Pretty Good
a) It was a tweak. Don’t be so defensive.
b) I can’t believe that you’re saying Melky sucks. How does a 27 year old with 1 very good season and 3 average seasons in his background suck?
I think it’s fair to take away his not-ready-for-primetime 05 season (-.7 WAR with only 19 PA? Why are we accepting WAR at face value so easily?) and he suddenly looks a lot better. He looks like… an averagish CF who had a crappy 2010 because he was out of shape.
Moreover, we’re talking about a player who broke out as a 26 year old (August bday) and seems to have changed his approach. Melky was very good last year and there’s a reasonable chance he’s a worthwhile player going forward.
Melky Cabrera doesn't 'suck', true
Far from it & he’s barely 27.
There seems to be a lot of this dismissiveness going around in general though. Anyways, I think this was a great speculative get for the baseball Giants. (For KC too for what that’s worth, although I think that expecting Lorenzo Cain to replicate Cabrera’s 2011 is overly optimistic thinking probably).
PS
‘(-.7 WAR with only 19 PA? Why are we accepting WAR at face value so easily?’
Boy, is this a great point.
In fairness
It’s -0.4 in fWAR terms. Much more reasonable.
Additionally, it all evens out over larger samples, which is why the arbitrary endpoint of “these 19 PA’s came in ‘05 and should be discounted, yet any 19 PA’s from the sample from ’06 totally count despite the only difference in the player being a year, a Spring Training, and 31 games in Triple-A” seems strange to me. Find his hottest 19 PA stretch of 2011 and discount that – I think it’d probably knock down his total value more than you think.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 8, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
But he didn't change his approach
His K rate went up and his walk rate went down in 2011.
You know what else went up? His BABIP. A lot.
Unpossible!
That’s not a sign of a more aggressive approach! And it’s wholly impossible that a player found he’s better off swinging from the heels! No way! It’s never ever happened before! Ever!
i just don't get what you're trying to say
do you think his BABIP will continue to be at .330 next year?
care to make a wager on that?
Changed Approach
It’s possible that Melky’s power spike is a part of a repeatable change in skills related to a more aggressive approach at the plate. Would you care to wager that Melky’s power completely reverts?
sure
i’d totally be willing to bet with 50/50 odds that Melky’s ISO is under .150 next year
Ehhh
a) I wasn’t being defensive. I was just saying that I disagreed with you.
b) Where are your three average seasons? He wasn’t an average regular in ‘06 or ’09 because his bat wasn’t good enough for the corner position he manned more often than not. Fringe-regular, sure. Nothing wrong with a cheap fringe-regular player. But the third one? ’07? Spent way too much time playing center field terribly to have much value in ’07.
Oh, and fWAR puts that ’05 year at -0.4, with -0.3 of it coming from the field. Even if you discount that, 7.2 career fWAR in a career of essentially six full seasons is pretty awful, especially with most of the positive production coming so late in his career.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 8, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
He had a great 2010 season, no doubt
Not sure that completely wipes away his prior track record of mediocrity though. Dayton Moore was smart to sell high on him after picking him up off the scrap heap last year.
Prior track record of mediocrity
You mean when he was 25 & below? If it doesn’t ‘wipe (it) away entirely (not that Melky Cabrera’s career was horrid or anything to begin with), I’d say his 2011 certainly was a marked step in the right direction.
One year supersedes five?
Edit: One (BABIP-aided) year supersedes five?
I don't get why Cabrera is necessarily a big upgrade on Torres.
In that spacious park, I would want a CF capable of covering a ton of ground, and Cabrera is not that guy. If his BABIP regresses significantly, this could get ugly for SF.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 7, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions
My guess is Torres will be in SF next season. The Giants will likely decline arbitration and resign him to a more reasonable deal.
If they decline arbitration
Someone will give him more than that arbitration allotment would. His glove is so valuable, and if his bat regresses to career-average he’s over a 3-win player. The rest of the league would be crazy to let Torres just slip through the cracks back to SF.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 7, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Not to nitpick
but you’re talking about if his bat RETURNS to previous levels, not if it regresses, which is a statistical term. If you want to argue that his BABIP should regress toward league average a bit, that’s different.
And to further nitpick, you’re really talking about if his 2011 was the anomaly, not his 2010, which is the only other season with a meaningful number of at-bats. I don’t know if I’d be banking on a 34-year-old coming off a <300 wOBA season – in which he got primarily favorable platoon splits – to suddenly go surging past his recent production. I certainly think it’s possible he comes in near a 100 wRC in 2012, but anything approaching that 126 mark from 2011 seems pretty scary to bank on.
On the defensive front, am I the only one who wonders if the weird dimensions of NL West ballparks significantly impact the fielding value (particularly range-related metrics) of outfielders? The ball REALLY hangs up during night games at both Petco and PhoneCoPark (and does to a slightly lesser degree at Dodger Stadium, where the dimensions are a bit more normal). The combination of more room to roam and additional hang time on fly balls with the same trajectory would seem to have the potential to boost the numbers for a guy like Anthony Gwynn or Andres Torres.
I’m not sure that I’m arguing that these factors actually overstate their value to their N.L. West clubs (although I might make that argument if I think about it). But I do think it means that I’d discount any projections for the value they could offer my team looking forward if I was the GM of an NL Central club.
by realitypolice on Nov 8, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very interesting points
The fact that 2010 isn’t seen as a pronounced outlier (considering the rest of Andres Torres’ campaigns) is somewhat odd to me also.
They're both outliers
Which is why they’re aggregated to try to get a better sense of who he truly is as a player. It’s not like his 2009 was awful, either. And what other data do we have to go by? He’s been solid in the minors, but, well, Triple-A data kind of sucks, particularly in the PCL.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 8, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nitpicks well-picked
But what about the fact that his awesome 2010 production happens to be separated from his 2011 production by the inherently arbitrary endpoint of a “season” makes the 2011 production so much more accurate than the 2010 production?
As for the whole NL West thing, the ball certainly doesn’t hold up in the air in Colorado and Arizona – line drives and hard-hit fly balls, the ones most likely to be hits in the first place, get to their landing points in a hurry.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 8, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
But, as I understand UZR and the +/- metrics, not getting to a ball in Coors that the averages say would normally be a hit anyway doesn’t negatively impact the rating.
However, if the averages say that a fly ball that’s 15 steps over the CFer’s head and to his left is usually a hit, getting to it (even if, thanks to extended hang time, it’s the equivalent of 13 steps in Great America) is a plus in both systems.
by realitypolice on Nov 10, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
No pun intended Dan, but that’s a very arbitrary take on the situation. Someone could very well OFFER him a competitive one-year deal. But, Torres isn’t going to warrant such a raise that another team is going to blow him away with an offer. It isn’t like the Giants will be looking to lowball him. My guess is the Giants offer a multi-year deal in the neighborhood of $4 to $5 mil over two years with a moderate third-year player option.
I'll take the under
way under even
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Its possible
I don’t see the logic though. He was at 3.07 just a year ago, misses bats, and wont allow a lot of homers in KC. All he has to do is stay healthy and, throw strikes and he’ll be good. I thuink nhe is very capable of a very, very good season there.
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huh, all he has to do is throw strikes
You do know which pitcher we are talking about here, don’t you . . .?
he has a career 4.78 per 9 walk rate in a league that lets him throw to pitchers
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I don't think he'll "throw strikes"
But the way I’d put it is that he’ll fail to throw strikes seldomly enough to be at least a #4 starter.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 7, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
His career ERA
against American League teams is below 4.00. Just saying
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Under.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 7, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Like the trade for both too
The two principal guys both in their ‘walk years’ & it certainly makes sense for both from a perspective of what each team needs.
I'll +1 this
The Royals wanted to clear an OF slot, and they managed to do so while adding a talented and experienced arm. If the team moves into contention this year, Sanchez can be an important asset . . .and if they don’t, well, it’s not exactly hard to get a nice return for a quality left-handed starter at the trade deadline.
For the Giants, it’s a great way to kick the offense up a notch. Melky’s gap power should play handsomely in SF. Furthermore, Sanchez clearly wasn’t going to be retained post-2012 . . .considering that they’ll need to bid big to retain Lincecum soon enough, it just ends up being too much money to spend on a pitching staff in that stadium.
i'm still not convinced
Melky is going to do all that much next year in SF
again, he’s had only one good year, and it happened to be last year
by blue bulldog on Nov 7, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
hey, I hear you
I think that regression, if there is indeed regression, will likely be situated in a lower batting average. 2011 was 25 points over his previous high.
Still, his power numbers jumped in his age 26-27 season, and were accompanied by a more aggressive approach. I think there’s a pretty good chance that the power increase can be sustained (adjusted for park, of course), at least for his upcoming age 27-28 season.
Of course, if SF has him in center field, defensive value would carry its own share of downside . . .
yeah, i agree with what Dan mentioned above as well
defensive value at ATT could be very concerning for Melky, and he is almost assuredly going to be the CF next year for SF
by blue bulldog on Nov 7, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's actually hilarious
That putting Torres in center would make Melky almost worthwhile in a corner, hoping that some runs above-average with the glove could make his gap bat translatable in LF or RF. But, instead, they’re going to let go of Torres and play Melky in center, and have the ultimate outfield defense of suck in S.F., an enormous park, despite shelling out tons of cash for a highly-regarded pitching staff.
Except that they now have to rely on Zito or Surkamp, who are super pitch-to-contact dudes. Which, again, leads us back to the beginning of this all to the ultimate outfield defense of suck…
I is confused.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 8, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Quit panicking, is my advice
I think Mr. Sabean kinda knows how to build a ballclub.
A couple other points. I know some WAR lovers will cry and, feel free to do so, but even If Andres Torres was responsible for 6.8 wins in 2010 (and he wasn’t), it kinda looks like a big, gigantic, fluke season! He was 32 and was a 4th -5th outfielder beforehand, then returned to that level of abilty in 2011.
Also wasn’t that bad defensively last season and, is coming into his age 27 season. I don’t believe in UZR but, since others do it shows him to be roughly the same quality of defender in CF as Adam Jones, Alex Rios, Micheal Bourne, Curtis Granderson.
I think Sabean recognixed this and, went out and filled a big offensive hole on the club with a player just coming into his prime, coming off a career year.
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*MELKY* wasn't that bad defensively last season
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Great Andres Torres paragraph
Yeah, some seem to be propping that 2010 Torres campaign up in simple WAR terms (buoyed considerably by UZR in a ‘Barton-esque’ fashion) & bemoaning his ‘plight’, but it is somehow harder to accept that Melky Cabera made tangible strides when given a legitimate opportunity as a full time player during a campaign in which he was just 26 for the majority of it? I don’t get it either.
one small issue
Melky’s had plenty of “legitimate opportunities”. He had 500+ plate appearances in 4 of the previous 5 seasons, with the lone exception still leaving him close to 450 plate appearances in that year. If anything, he’s been exceptionally fortunate to have received so much major league playing time by this point, and that experience clearly gives him an edge compared to your average player of the same age.
True
Yeah, ‘legitimate opportunity’ might have been a little much. I didn’t realize that Cabrera had seen that many PAs in all honesty although I suppose the general perception him as a platoon/bit guy pre-2010 might play a part there.
I think this might have been a perfect storm of sorts though as the Royals seemed at least somewhat committed to affording him everyday playing time. Basically, I don’t think 2011 was a smoke & mirrors thing; I think Cabrera is starting to find himself. I like the deal for KC too & I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that more than a couple of contenders were kicking the figurative tires on Jonathan Sanchez after the fact as he has pretty tangible upside to me & is a worthy flier (not unlike Cabrera for SF).
Which is why I'm not expecting a seven-win player in 2012
Of course. Is it so absurd to think that aggregating Torres’ production from ’09, ’10, and ’11 might provide some slight insight into what kind of production this guy is actually capable of? And how is he truly a 4th/5th OF beforehand when he was spending his time (raking) in Triple-A? The truth is that nobody knows what kind of player Torres was before he arrived in SF. He had fewer than 300 big-league plate appearances to his name for his entire career prior to SF, most of which came in 2003.
Your dismissal of Torres’ ‘09 and ’10 and simultaneous praise of Melky’s ‘11 for an identical number of plate appearances of stellar offensive performance (740 for Torres from ’09 to ’10 and 706 for Melky in ’11 – comparing those two intervals, Torres actually blows Melky out of the water with the bat) is hilarious to me. This isn’t some big WAR debate, it’s a debate as to whether or not a CF with a 85-90 wRC+ (let me know if you think this is unfair for Torres) and plus defense is comparably useful to a CF with a 105-110 wRC+ (an aggressive Melky projection, if you ask me) with poor CF defense, which Melky has always had.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 8, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
You make some good points
When you put in those terms I see your point, to an extent. I don’t know how to grade the value of the defense though. I see Torres as +9 per season as a CF on BBref and Melky as between -1 and -4 per season – which is about average. I don’t see him as being a bad CF.
I can tell you what I would do though, if you were really worried about it. Bring back Torres too! He may be better and healthier as a backup, could play a lot vs lefties, spell Mely in the late innings and, occasionally I could see an OF of Melky in LF and Torres in CF.
I do think Melky is much likelier to hit, going forward and, the Giants need hitters. It may be hilarious to you but, my reasoning is sound. It is just fundamental that a player is likelier to build and repeat a season when he was 26 than one had when he was 32. Beyond that, its just my opinion, as well as Sabean’s, it looks like.
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I agree
That bringing Torres back as well is the best plan. Melky belongs in a corner, particularly in cavernous AT&T Park. Problem is that it seems awfully likely that Torres gets non-tendered at this point, which I find rather humorous.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 8, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
and then what are you going to do with Belt?
play him at 1B instead of Huff?
we all know Sabean doesn’t have the brain to think outside of the box like that. bringing in Melky almost assures that Torres will not be with the Giants next year.
Well, yeah,
That’s what I would do. Huff doesn’t belong as an everyday player.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Nov 8, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
People are slamming Sabean already?
How quickly they forget 2010. The guy may not be the most unconventional GM but his teams tend to perform well.
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by King Billy Royal on Nov 9, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
will the change in stadium have any impact on Sanchez's numbers in 2012?
Of course there’s also the league switch… I still like Sanchez’s chances of having a sub-4 ERA, just a feeling. The chance is there for him to be ace of the staff, maybe that will motivate him…
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by The Congo Hammer on Nov 7, 2011 8:38 PM EST reply actions
Not really
It isn’t like San Francisco is a hitters park. If anything, I think the league switch hurts him.
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by King Billy Royal on Nov 7, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
thats the great thing
about interleague, we can see how he performs against the other league, and Sanchez has been good, especially against Detroit and Cleveland, two of their divisional opponents. Certainly worth the risk considering Lorenzo Cain should be able to provide Melky type production overall.
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thats the great thing
about small sample sizes, we can see he only has faced Detroit once (in 2008), and Cleveland twice (2008-good, 2011-bad), two of their divisional opponents.
but he was good against them!
You can’t argue with the performance!
Right
I also love the idea, floated out here in this thread a couple times, that Lorenzo Cain is going to roll on into Kansas City and get 201 knocks, 44 Doubles, and hit 18 home runs. I like the deal overall for Kansas City but, Melky had a hell of a season. Cain is 25 himself, y’know guys?
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not quite the intent, I think
I believe the idea was that Cain could equal Cabrera in overall value, not contributions on offense, because Cabrera is below-average defensively in CF while Cain is supposedly at least plus there.
Ah, I guess
I still think it is wishfull thinking but, we’ll see I guess. Cain is 25 and spent the whole year in AAA so, I’m not quite as optimistic. I also don’t think Melky was that bad defensively.
I do not care for UZR but, since that is the language around here he ranked just behind Micheal Bourne, Alex Rios, Coco Crisp and just ahead of Adam Jones and Colby Rasmus.
I still like the deal for the Royals but, Melky was an asset for them and, I think he will be for the Giants as well.
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watching Melky everyday
he’s quite clearly below average for a center fielder. not a disaster, but doesn’t have the quickness you want a CF to have.
i think the step forward he took with the bat is mostly real though. much more thunder in the stick.
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by JoelGuzman'sScout on Nov 8, 2011 5:14 AM EST up reply actions
Cain didn't spend the year in AAA due to lack of performance
His numbers have been pretty superb the last two years actually, he’s just been blocked.
I wonder if the real difference might be more 'stuff'- & league-dependent...
His pitching repertoire might play better in the AL – more fastballs, works higher in the zone, etc.
...
It seems as if people are loath to believe that Cabrera ‘broke out’ in any meaningful way, instead believing that 2011 was a fluke and that he’ll regress heavily in 2012. While I suppose I can see this line of thinking to an extent, I think it’s worth noting that nothing really screams fluke. Sure, his BABIP was higher than his career norm … but he was also in better physical shape this year, based upon the eye test and a few reports of weight loss, and his BABIP is just about in-line with his xBABIP. I can see him splitting the difference between 2011 and his career averages going forward – something like .285/.335/.445 going forward. That’s certainly a regression, but not so much so to make him worthless.
At the same time, Sanchez has been treated as if he were a very young pitcher barely removed from a break out campaign. In reality, even at his best he hasn’t been much better than an average pitcher. His approach is dependent on high pitch-counts and flyball outs, neither of which will allow him to reach the sort of heights that some seem to expect. If someone is betting on Cabrera to drop down to his 2010 line, then it seems reasonable to worry that Sanchez can easily go the path of Oliver Perez.
i don't think you are reading the opinions correctly
most people who don’t like Melky aren’t going to come out and say Sanchez was an awesome asset
in my mind, this was a trade of two volatile assets, both with extremely low expected values moving forward (though i highly suspect that both DM and Sabean thought they were trading assets of much higher expected values). there’s nothing wrong with that from a value exchange standpoint.
what doesn’t make sense, is why Sabean bothered getting an asset like Melky, when he should be doing his best to fix the middle infield, or getting prospects to stock the farm for the future.
by blue bulldog on Nov 8, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
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