Community Pitching Prospect #15
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 24, 2011 11:04 AM EST
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PrintWith 24.6% of the open vote and 51.6% of the runoff, James Paxton is elected Community Pitching Prospect #14.
*I might leave this poll open for longer than 24 hours due to Thanksgiving if it seems like it's needed.
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RESULTS:
James Paxton: 24.6% (51.6% In Runoff)
Carlos Martinez: 29.0% (48.4% In Runoff)
Randall Delgado: 17.4%
Robbie Erlin: 8.7%
Martin Perez: 8.7%
Zack Wheeler: 2.9% (write in)
Archie Bradley: 2.9% (write in)
Jarred Cosart: 1.4%
A.J. Cole: 1.4% (write in)
Tyrell Jenkins 1.4% (write in)
Nestor Molina: 1.4% (write in)
Matt Harvey: 0%
Jake Odorizzi: 0%
Taylor Jungmann: 0%
Mike Montgomery: 0%
CANDIDATES: Carlos Martinez, Randall Delgado, Robbie Erlin, Martin Perez, Zack Wheeler, Archie Bradley, Arodys Vizcaino, Nestor Molina, Drew Hutchison, Keyvius Sampson
IN ROTATION: Brad Peacock (#13-1.6%), Manny Banuelos (#13-1.6%), Sonny Gray (#13-1.6%), Trevor May (#13-0%), A.J. Cole (#13-0%), Jarred Cosart (#14-1.4%), Matt Harvey (#14-0%), Jake Odorizzi (#14-0%), Taylor Jungmann (#14-0%), Mike Montgomery (#14-0%)
TESTERS: Jed Bradley, Matt Barnes, Tyrell Jenkins, Wily Peralta, Casey Kelly, Dellin Betances, Garrett Richards, Joe Wieland, Zach Lee, Chad Bettis, Justin Nicolino, Noah Syndergaard
#01 - MATT MOORE - 91.0%
#02 - JULIO TEHERAN - 57.3%
#03 - SHELBY MILLER - 66.7%
#04 - TREVOR BAUER - 40.0%
#05 - TYLER SKAGGS - 30.0%
#06 - GERRIT COLE - 24.3% (65.2% In Runoff)
#07 - JAMESON TAILLON - 26.0% (34.7 In 3-Way Runoff, 51.2% In 2-Way Runoff)
#08 - DYLAN BUNDY - 39.3%
#09 - DANNY HULTZEN - 45.6%
#10 - TAIJUAN WALKER - 31.6% (51.5% In Runoff)
#11 - DREW POMERANZ - 34.2%
#12 - JACOB TURNER - 45.7%
#13 - JARROD PARKER - 44.4%
#14 - JAMES PAXTON - 24.6% (51.6% In Runoff)
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by Calvn n Hobbs on Nov 24, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
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by auclairkeithbc on Nov 24, 2011 11:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
What's the argument for Martinez over Delgado?
I’m not saying its wrong, I’d just like to see what the reasoning is. Delgado is only a year and a half older, yet he’s far more advanced and has already shown the ability to handle near MLB starter workloads already. I guess Martinez has a better curve and a slight advantage in velocity, but is that really enough to make up for Delgado’s big advantage when it comes to the changeup, a solid 4th pitch (Delgado’s slider, never seen anything on Martinez having a useable 4th pitch for now, but maybe I’m wrong), proven ability to handle large workloads, and MLB readiness?
Delgado sat 92-93 in the majors, touching as high as 97
We’ll see how hard Martinez ends up throwing when he reaches the majors, but I’m guessing it will be ~2 MPH than what Delgado has already shown.
I don't think...
There are many rational people that would take the Paxton side of a Paxton/CMart trade…just saying…Paxton doesn’t have the same upside or ARL, and the floor isn’t that different. The floor on Paxton isn’t that impressive, given that we’ve already seen him struggle. It’s mott given the vote, but I don’t get it…
Disagree
Obviously there his a huge bust rate for all arms but Martinez is a FAR more volatile prospect. His delivery is awful and there is a great chance that he never gets to the show given that he is in A+ (injury probability aside). Paxton on the other hand has already dominated AA (tRA+ of 145, K% of 33, BB% of 9.2) and has a floor of a dominate LOOGY. The upsides are definitely comparable because the stuff is comparable. Paxton is sitting mid to high 90s and throwing a nasty CB too.
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FAR more volatile??
I seem to remember just last year Paxton’s stock dropping considerably due to him not signing with Toronto, pitching in an independent league and showing a drop in velocity. People (including scouts) were talking about Paxton almost like he was going to be the next Matt Harrington. It’s amazing what one year of success can do to a player’s reputation for volatility.
All I am saying is let’s not forget that Paxton is extremely volatile in his own right. I don’t think volatility is a good basis for an argument when comparing him to any other pitcher – unless you want to argue against him.
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I totally disagree. Given his situation post-Kentucky and his layoff from the game, his independent league performance was far from surprising. It’s far enough in the past that isn’t a concern at all with his future performance.
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What is it about Martinez' delivery that you think is awful?
His timing and effort, IMO, are very good. Not a fan of the exaggerated kick with his follow leg at the end when he’s trying to hit 100mph, but the arm action and mechanics from when he brings his kick leg forward through plant and release are very nice.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 25, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Funky arm circle could lead to timing problems and command/conrtol issues
Not to mention the active breaking and recoil of the pitching arm after release is a red flag when it comes to elbow and especially shoulder injuries
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With 48% of the vote, Carlos Martinez runs away with it.
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