Community Positional Prospect #15 RUNOFF
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 21, 2011 5:43 PM EST
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PrintWe are going to have a 3-way runoff between Xander Bogaerts, Anthony Rizzo, and Oscar Taveras.
Reply +1 to vote for a particular player, and include your 2nd place vote in the body of your +1 reply in case the 1st place votes are not conclusive.
*The 2nd place votes might be used to determine the winner of the #16 poll. Both "losers" will go back into an open poll, but IF the two losers of this runoff end up as the clear top two vote-getters in the next poll, instead of running them off again, we'll use 1st and 2nd place votes from this runoff to determine the consensus opinion.
POSITIONAL RESULTS SO FAR:
#01 - BRYCE HARPER - 59.2%
#02 - MIKE TROUT - 38.8% (In Poll #1)
#03 - JURICKSON PROFAR - 52.9%
#04 - MANNY MACHADO - 31.5% (55.1% In Runoff)
#05 - DEVIN MESORACO - 45.1%
#06 - WILL MYERS - 31.6% (51.4% In Runoff)
#07 - JESUS MONTERO - 61.3%
#08 - ANTHONY RENDON - 53.1%
#09 - TRAVIS D'ARNAUD - 46.6%
#10 - NOLAN ARENADO - 33.3%
#11 - MIGUEL SANO - 37.3%
#12 - YONDER ALONSO - 22.5% (45.3% In 3-Way Runoff)
#13 - FRANCISCO LINDOR - 26.1%
#14 - BUBBA STARLING - 33.8%
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2nd taveres
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by mathisrocks5 on Nov 21, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
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2nd Rizzo
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by Gobroks on Nov 21, 2011 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 21, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
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2nd Rizzo
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 21, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
+1
2nd …I don’t really like either of the other guys and feel they’d both be highly overrated here.
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2nd Rizzo
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by bone31crusher on Nov 22, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
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2nd: Tavares
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 21, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
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2nd: Bogaerts
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by Beachy Keen on Nov 21, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
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2nd Xander Boegarts
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 21, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
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2nd Xander.
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by CaptainCanuck on Nov 22, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
Vote Oscar
Bogaerts was 3 and a half months younger than Oscar and had a .365 wOBA and was 6.9 runs above average (bRAA) in 291 PA’s
Oscar posted a .454 wOBA and was 37.7 runs above average in 342 Pa’s.
I can see voting for XB if you think he will develol better but, he isn’t that much younger and unlerss you are morbidly obsessed with babip, Tavares deserves credit for being an extremely advanced young hitter.
The only thing that Bogaerts actually did better was hit more runs, in a park that is great for them. Oscar hit a lot more singles, a lot more doubles, a lot more triples, walked more, and struck out less. I see no evidence that Bogaerts runs better, in fact, to the contrary.
Perhaps, again perhaps, Bogaerts ends up as a solid 3B and, it looks like Taveras can be a solid RF. Give X-Man that but, I don’t see how you can wipe away .130 points of batting average and just hand over offesive projection to Bogaerts with a real good reason to.
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
this is my reasoning as well
go long with extenze...i do
by angelsownredsux on Nov 21, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Because Taveras is not going to be a better offensive player than Bogaerts
he hit better, but most of that was influenced by BABIP, the walk rates are similar, but the Power is much different. If you plug both of their numbers in to Bradley Woodrum’s FIB calculator and give them both league average BABIP, Taveras should have a 120 wRC+, Bogaerts should have 122. Bogaerts has a much higher offensive upside because of his insane power. He plays a more important position. Mike Newman did some research about which numbers have the best power. Bogaerts came very close to all of them. Bogaerts’ upside is just huge.
Ok, I'll drop it
After I say two things… firstly, I think Bogaerts is a hell of a young prospect, don’t get me wrong on that. He’s one of my next few players.
Secondly, the majority of baseball offense is babip influenced! 70 percent of plate appearances, on average, result in a ball in play. There is luck involved but, some guys have babips of .350+ over 1000’s of at bats and, some guys have babips of .250 over 1000s of at bats. Its a perversion of the facts to just assume they will all even out.
A third point is that the farther apart two players bapibs, the more likely that skill is involved, not less likely. One guy has a .446 and the other had a .294.
Again ,we can just wait and see though now. We don’t need to debate it anymore.
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
Bogaerts is going to win by a longshot but
why did we do a runoff? in the main poll, Bogaerts got 20 votes, Rizzo 15 and Taveras 14. We don’t really need to do one when it’s 5 and 6 votrs.
I agree
Has to be closer than that. Within two votes, or top three within 3-4 votes
by cookiedabookie on Nov 21, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
It was 20-15-14
Bogaerts only had 25% of the vote, and the lowest vote percentage to win yet has been over 33.3%. Eventually 25% might have to get you in, and I knew some people wouldn’t agree with this, but it seemed like the best choice to me. Plus if Rizzo/Taveras force a runoff next poll, this one will decide it. It was a somewhat borderline decision, but you can’t please everybody.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 22, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Voting Closed
Bogaerts wins with 55.2% of the vote. Taveras and Rizzo tie with 22.4% each. Taveras received 18 2nd place votes from Bogaerts voters, and Rizzo received 15, which will only factor into the next poll, if those 2 are the two clear winners of the next poll (and the race is within that 3 vote margin).
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