Community Positional Prospect #12 RUNOFF
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 17, 2011 5:07 PM EST
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PrintThe open poll for positional prospect #12 has resulted in a tight 3 way race at the top between Yonder Alonso (16 votes), Bubba Starling (15 votes), and Francisco Lindor (14 votes). We are going to have a 3-way runoff.
**Additionally, in the body of your +1 post, please post the name of the player you think is 2nd best. This will help us avoid having to do an additional two-way runoff, if that appears necessary. If you choose not to list your 2nd favorite, that is ok. Your +1 will still count, but your second choice will obviously not be taken into consideration.
POSITIONAL RESULTS SO FAR:
#01 - BRYCE HARPER - 59.2%
#02 - MIKE TROUT - 38.8% (In Poll #1)
#03 - JURICKSON PROFAR - 52.9%
#04 - MANNY MACHADO - 31.5% (55.1% In Runoff)
#05 - DEVIN MESORACO - 45.1%
#06 - WILL MYERS - 31.6% (51.4% In Runoff)
#07 - JESUS MONTERO - 61.3%
#08 - ANTHONY RENDON - 53.1%
#09 - TRAVIS D'ARNAUD - 46.6%
#10 - NOLAN ARENADO - 33.3%
#11 - MIGUEL SANO - 37.3%
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second Lindor
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 17, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
+ 1
Bubba
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 17, 2011 11:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
Starling
"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White
by Beachy Keen on Nov 18, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
+1
2nd: Lindor
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 18, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
+1
2nd Yonder Alonso
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Nov 17, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
+1
2nd Starling
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by Gobroks on Nov 17, 2011 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
2nd: Alonso
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by mathisrocks5 on Nov 17, 2011 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just my opinion
. . and Im not really complaining AK. I know this hard enough to run as-is but, I really like doing the votes this way. I’d like top three even better and, I meen not just for run-offs. I think it adds nuance to each vote and, would be almost a built in tester vote in a way.
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
Well
Top 3 would obviously be meaningless for this poll, since I can use my genius powers of logic to deduce who the 3rd favorite would be. But in general, I don’t think I’d be for people listing 2nd favorites or 3rd. I bet almost half the people change their minds about who is in 2nd place quite often.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 17, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Sure
I didn’t really meen for this pole but, in general. Even if peoplechabnged thier mind, the voting woukld be intertestinmg. I thinjk it is actually interesting when reading the comments and, seeuing the votes make me look at a prospect again and, reconsider him. You have done that recently for me with a prospect I have supported around here for years, Yonder Alonso.
Interesting how in this poll that Yonder looks to be getting some separation in first place votes but, is losing sall of it with the lack of second place ones! Its a philosophical difference here. The guys who like Starling also like Lindor, bercausde they like youth and upside – and vice versa with guys who like LIndor.
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
For some reason
I think this method could cause more problems than it solves. I’m hoping not though. I just feel like if we did it for the open polls, and there was a runaway winner with lets say 32% of the vote, with the 2nd place finisher getting 12% or something, but hardly any of the people who didn’t vote for the top guy had him listed as #2 or #3 even, there could be some negative feelings. This is going to happen more and more, where by the end of the list, less than half the people are even interested in any of the two runoff candidates for the hitter/pitcher polls that go to runoffs. I think it would only complicate the process. If this works out somehow better than most 3-way runoffs, maybe I’ll be a little more likely to have more 3 ways instead of 2 ways when either one could be considered appropriate. We’ll see.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 17, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Could be
I just think it helps people start to vote for a guy they like beforer he is ready to actually get on the list – as in win a vote.
It sort of gradualy buids the tesrter list because anybody who gets a 2 vite or, a 3 vote gets on and, hopefully, discussed.
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
Well that is part of the reason I set up the larger discussion threads
But in the hitters thread, I don’t think one person had someone in their top 5 that wasn’t going to be on the list next time, or at least in the rotation.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 17, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
I like the discussion threads
But you wouldn’t beed a tester system if it was included in the vote and, it’d just be funner to add up than just “who is the best”. Maybe next year. I wasn’t really proposing to change things now.
I think some people also get bored when they just keep voting for a guy and, others don’t like him. Like I’ve been doing for Oscar Tavares :) That is one thing I do olike about these run-offs and, the overall prospect threadws. You have to look at things a new way.
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
Yeah
The continual votes for non-listed players or for players that have no shot, isn’t incredibly helpful for that player’s candidacy in my opinion. If someone is getting 3 or 4 votes and hanging on in 6th place, it is unlikely he’ll win one of the next 3 polls. If someone is off the list and getting 2-3 write in votes, I do consider it, but it will only help a player get back on maybe 1 poll early, and it is extremely unlikely they’ll win the poll when they were just re-added to it.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 17, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah true
but, what are you gonna do y’know? Not voting for them isn’t good for thier cantidacy either AK :)
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
Yeah true
It does affect your chances of affecting the outcome, 5 or 6 people moving from a couple 2-3 vote guys and voting for the player 2nd in the poll, could force a run-off. realistically though, each vote is pretty marginal, and it is pretty rare that 1 vote will ever change anything unless we’re already in a runoff.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 17, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
AK?
How is this vote being tallied? This houls be clear before we vote unless you want people to start bitchin’?
On the one hand Yonder is getting the most #1 votes – on the other he is getting no #2 votes.
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
1st place votes
Is the traditional way. We’ll keep it that way, but only if someone truly separates himself. Maybe 38%, 31%, 31%. Something like that. I mentioned what I’d do in a post lower down the page if different things happen.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 17, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Is it just me
… or does anyone else think it’s ridiculous that Yonder Alonso is being considered for the 12th best position prospect in baseball? Is it that weak of a year for prospects?
by brok515 on Nov 17, 2011 6:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Its not just you
A lot of people don’t recognize a good basball player whebn they see one. Why is it a weak year for prospects when whoever YOUR umber 12 guy is, is clerarly awesome!
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
Well
I guess myself and the rest of the people who can’t recognize a good baseball player just shouldn’t comment here then, since having my own opinion gets me a face full of sarcasm
Thin skin much?
Sorry Bud. Just busting your chops a bit. What about people who like Yonder Alonso? Did you think of thier feelings before YOU posted? And you weren’t being sarcastic! :)
You are fully entitled to your opinion! But, aren’t I entitled to disdagree with it M ’man?
By the way, did you even consider my logic? If you don’t think Yonder is the 12th best prospect – who is yours? Maybe you will like that player better and, not think that there are no good players. I just disagree with that.
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
Sure
I mean everyone is entitled to their own opinions here. And it’s apparent there are plenty of people here who like Alonso quite a bit more than I do. It’s not like I just completely hate him, but I have him quite a bit further down on my list (number 30 or so for position players I think). It’s probably just a case of looking for different things in prospects.
I guess the reason I just got kind of defensive is that you implied that I simply can’t recognize a good baseball player, just because I don’t like Alonso as much as many others, which I don’t think is a conclusion you can make for certain.
That being said, I have Bubba next on my list, but even he has many question marks, leading to me making the statement that I think it is a down year for position prospects. Just an opinion.
look brok515
I myself, have Yonder Alonso down in the upper 20’s for position prospects to roughly 45-58 overall
But out of the 3 options I like him the best.
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 18, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
I appologize
. . . for that remark. I have no idea how good you are at recognizing a baseball player really. I just felt like you were criticizing the whole process so I reacted, my bad.
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
No worries man
My comment did probably come off as a little dickish and wasn’t anything that would probably spark any actual baseball discussion, so I’ll apologize too.
Hug?
Just joking Man. Take it easy. Keep posting brok, ok? I’m not as bad of a guy as people make me out to be around here. It’s just baseball talk so . . . enjoy! I’ll try remind myself of that and be nicer.
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
I, too ...
… think Alonso is too high as he profiles as a solid 1st-sacker but without the power 12 HR’s in 358 AAA AB’s (but 5 in 88 MLB AB’s), and I’m not sold on him being plus in LF either … but that’s the thing … we are pretty much past the point where high-value position players are in the mix and most of the guys left are OF’ers. I voted Lindor here based on pure youth, position and upside, but if we want to talk safe floor, you could argue no one is safer than Alonso.
Voting question for AK
Are these votes being tallied like 2 points for a 1 st place vote and 1 fort a second or, i it just whoever gets the most 1st place votes wins?
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
I believe 1st place votes win unless it is close with second place, then we tally like you suggest
by cookiedabookie on Nov 17, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
between the top two vote getters
that is my understanding
by cookiedabookie on Nov 17, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Well
The 1st criteria is going to be first place votes. But then it gets to the point where I was saying this method might cause some problems. If the first place votes separates one player from the pack…lets say 38%, 31%, 31%, then I think it is obvious that the guy with 38% should move on and we don’t need to sort through the 2nd place votes, even if there is a chance that would change things.
If it is too close to call between the top two, let’s say 37%, 36%, 27%, then we’ll decide between the top two vote getters, by adding the 3rd place finisher’s 2nd place votes (i.e. a 2 way runoff). Those 2nd place votes I think should count as full votes.
If it is really close between all 3, let’s say 34%, 33%, 33%, then I think we should do the 2 points for 1st place, 1 point for 2nd place thing.
There is a chance it will end up so muddled up, that each player has a case to be made as the winner. I’d like to get a good definitive system down before that happens though, but it will be a long complicated one to deal with all the different percentages and possible ways to score. Plus when a secondary or third tie breaker method ends up with a less distinct margin than the original margin that caused the tie-breaker to happen in the 1st place, that can cause a separate dilemma. I hope it works out.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 17, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Deep breath Bud
It’ll work out :)
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
by casejud on Nov 17, 2011 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I voted for Alonso
But Starling is the 2nd highest player on my sheet, and while Lindor isn’t quite 3rd, he is a very reasonable candidate here too. I want to do what best reflects the consensus, even though the consensus might not be totally apparent.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 17, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
With just number onmes being counted, it is sorting out ok as of now – 15 Aloo, 11 Starling, and 8 Lindor
but when #2 votes are added in it is back to a dead heat again…sigh …lol
34 Alonso, 34 Starling, and 31 Lindor.
It’s kinda comical actually but, it’ll sort itself out.
" It's never just a game when you're winning" - George Carlin
With those vote totals
Alonso is at 64, Starling at 56, Lindor at 48 – the separation is actually greater.
by cookiedabookie on Nov 17, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
please don't update things this way
update the 1st place votes if you want, but i don’t want to deal with 2nd place votes unless necessary. i don’t want to even see that stuff unless we have to deal with it.
by auclairkeithbc on Nov 17, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
11/18/2011
1:33 AM
Alonso – 25
Starling – 13
Lindor – 13
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Nov 18, 2011 1:34 AM EST reply actions
Alonso
Has a pretty comfortable lead. Looks like we won’t need to worry about the 2nd place votes!
"When the going gets tough, the tough get going."
Closing this poll
After 24 hours, Yonder Alonso wins 29-18-17 in first place votes (45.3% of the vote).
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