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Minnesota Twins Top 20 Prospects for 2012

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Minnesota Twins Top 20 Prospects for 2012

The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Comments are welcome, but in the end all analysis and responsibility is mine of course. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2012 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!

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QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:

Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.

Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.

Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don't make it at all.

A major point to remember is that grades for pitchers do NOT correspond directly to grades for hitters. Many Grade A pitching prospects fail to develop, often due to injuries. Some Grade C pitching prospects turn out much better than expected.

Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise coming from me, and some C+ prospects turn out very well indeed.

Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment in the book for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.

1) Miguel Sano, 3B, Grade B+: Contact issues and defensive questions remain cautionary factors, but given his youth and prodigious power potential, he's clearly the class of the system. I buy the Miguel Cabrera comparisons but there is always the chance he could turn into Joel Guzman if he is mishandled.

2) Eddie Rosario, OF, Grade B: Solid tools across the board, with better-than-expected power production in the Appy League. A total steal as a fourth round pick in 2010.

3) Liam Hendriks, RHP, Grade B: Australian right-hander should be in the rotation mix for 2012. Possible outcome: Kevin Slowey circa 2008-2010 with fewer homers.

4) Oswaldo Arcia, OF, Grade B: Excellent power potential, but I don't like the problems he showed with the strike zone, 18 walks/70 strikeouts in 292 at-bats. Young enough to improve a great deal at age 20.

5) Joe Benson, OF, Grade B-: Impressive power/speed tools and should get a shot at a major league job in 2012. Still fights the strike zone, could be a 20-15 player but could also struggle in batting average and OBP departments.

6) Chris Parmelee, 1B-OF, Grade B-: He isn't going to hit .300+ in the majors, but I bet he can hit .260-.270 with moderate power and a good OBP. Not a star but should have a productive career. Less upside than Benson, but a higher floor too.

7) Aaron Hicks, OF, Grade B-: Tough to get a handle on this one. The tools are all here, patient, great glove, but the power is just not developing. He gets slack with the grade for one more year.

8) Levi Michael, SS, Grade B-: No pro data to work with, but based on college performance and scouting reports, I think he can be a solid regular and useful at the top of the order, OBP with speed-type.

9) Travis Harrison, 3B, Grade B-: Like Michael, a 2011 draftee who signed too late to play, so there is a lot of projection/speculation here. Excellent power potential, but reports/opinions are very mixed about how complete of a hitter he really is, and where he fits defensively. Personally I lean to optimism about the bat but am not sure about the glove.

10) Brian Dozier, SS, Grade B-: Not the best tools in the universe, but very polished, terrific instincts, and he just keeps hitting. Older prospect at age 24 but all the markers of a guy who will surprise people, and soon.

11) Madison Boer, RHP, Grade B-: Minnesota kid and University of Oregon product looked great in relief in Appy League but will reportedly move to rotation, where he projects as a workhorse inning-eater.

12) Hudson Boyd, RHP, Grade B-:
Hard-throwing, mature-bodied Florida high school prep was supplemental first round pick, no pro data yet. Lacks physical projection, but already throws hard and command is well-regarded. Stock could go way up in 2012.

13) Adrian Salcedo, RHP, Grade B-: Scouts outside the organization are lukewarm on him, but he keeps throwing strikes and getting people out and doesn't turn 21 until February.

14) Alex Wimmers, RHP, Grade C+: Stock took a big hit following spring collapse of command and confidence, but he seemed to have righted the ship by the end of the season. Hard to rank higher than this without seeing what happens early in 2012.

15) Kyle Gibson, RHP, Grade C+: Tough to rank, since he will miss all of 2012 recovering from Tommy John surgery. Number three starter if healthy.

16) Niko Goodrum, SS, Grade C+:
Outstanding tools, took a big step forward late in the year for Elizabethton, hit .341/.438/.489 in August with greatly improved plate discipline. Still raw, but this is progress.

17) Max Kepler, OF, Grade C+
: Uber-athletic German outfielder showed little power in the Appy League, but given age (just 18 in 2011) and background he remains intriguing.

18) Manuel Soliman, RHP, Grade C+:
Converted third baseman with power arm has one of the higher upsides in the system but is still learning to pitch and was erratic in Low-A. Has to be protected on the 40-man roster to avoid Rule 5.

19) Matthew Summers, RHP, Grade C+: Overlooked sleeper prospect, converted outfielder, throws hard, fourth-round pick out of UC Irvine, posted 0.87 ERA with 36/5 K/BB in 21 innings in Appy League, 3.33 GO/AO. Left-handed hitters batted .000 against him.

20) Deolis Guerra, RHP, Grade C+:
Forgotten remnant of Santana trade posted 2.77 ERA with 65/13 K/BB in 52 innings, 36 hits, after conversion to relief in Double-A. Still just 22 years old. Sleeper prospect for relief contributions in 2012.

21) Nate Roberts, OF, Grade C+:
On-base machine hampered by knee problems in Low-A, still hit .302/.443/.446 in 68 games. Turns 23 in February so he needs to move forward, solid tools, questions about power.

22) Lester Oliveros, RHP, Grade C+:
Hard-thrower acquired in Delmon Young trade, could be nice relief asset if he throws strikes more consistently.

23) Tyler Robertson, LHP, Grade C+
: Like Guerra, a forgotten prospect who revived his career in 2011 after moving to bullpen in Double-A, left-handed ground ball machine, could help in major league pen in '12.

24) Matt Hauser, RHP, Grade C+:
Posted 1.98 ERA with 75/29 K/BB in 64 innings between Low-A, High-A, Double-A. Good arm, very effective when his command is on, yet another bullpen option.

OTHERS: Matt Bashore, LHP; David Bromberg, RHP; Scott Diamond, LHP; Tyler Grimes, SS; Carlos Gutierrrez, RHP; B.J. Hermsen, RHP; Chris Herrmann, C; Trent Higginbotham, RHP; Austin Malinowski, LHP; Angel Mata, RHP; Angel Morales, OF; Daniel Ortiz, OF; Jairo Perez, 3B-2B; Bruce Pugh, RHP; Daniel Santana, SS; Tim Shibuya, RHP; Yangervis Solarte, UT; Kyle Waldrop, RHP; Jason Wheeler, LHP; Corey Williams, LHP; JaDamion Williams, OF.

There is an awful lot of B-/C+ in this system. Michael, Harrison, Boyd, Boer, and Summers from the 2011 draft could all rank higher next year and rate more confidently as impact players once we get more pro data. The Sano/Rosario duo was devastating at Elizabethton and I expect both to keep hitting. The system still needs more high-upside arms; they don't have anyone who looks like a future ace starter to me, although there are several inning-eater types and strong potential relief arms.

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sweet! already that time of the year!!!

This farm isnt as bad as I thought, 13 B’s isnt too shaby. Hendriks, Benson and Parmelee should make an impact in 2012, but what do you guys think the chances are that all 3 gets starting jobs out of ST?

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by mathisrocks5 on Oct 9, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Question

I would say in an ideal situation none of Hendriks, Benson or Parmelee start on the MLB roster. It will depend on who the Twins sign as free agents and the health of Morneau.

Benson won’t be ready to start the year. I would guess he needs at least half a season in AAA.
Hendriks would ideally start in AAA and be the first pitcher called up.
Parmelee has the best chance IMO to start on the MLB roster, but if the Twins resign Cuddyer and Morneau is healthy he would be well served to get some reps in AAA (he still hasn’t played there) and be an insurance policy.

by drjim on Oct 9, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

chances of starting spot out of ST in 2012

I would think it is very good for all of Revere, Benson, Parmelee, Hendriks
heres a rough estimate of what I currently think:
Revere 90%
Benson 40%
Parmelee 60-80%
Hendriks 50%
Oliveros 90%
Bromberg 10%
Waldrop 50%
Diamond 40%
Dozier 20%
all these guys should see big league time in 2012

thats just a rough estimate

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 9, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

13 Bs

plus a C+ who is a “number three starter if healthy.”

Also: Yay for these lists starting!!!

by Al Swedgin on Oct 9, 2011 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

well

Keep in mind that several of these “B” grades are “B-” and speculative, namely the guys from the 2011 draft that we don’t have any pro data for yet. They scout well…but they could all go up or down a lot next year.

You also have the enigmatic Hicks.

by John Sickels on Oct 9, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rosario

John, I like Rosario a lot too, but a borderline B+ seems very aggressive for him at this point. How meaningful are Appy League numbers? I understand that Rosario has a broader base of tools, plays CF as opposed to a corner, and probably has some glowing reports, but as a point of comparison Angel Morales put up a ridiculous line as well when he went through the league a year younger than Rosario (age 18 season): http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=morale002ang

Morales wasn’t/isn’t without tools/upside either; Rosario would strike out well over 100 times prorated over a full season worth of ABs. It’s ultimately your call but this seems very bullish without seeing him against full season competition yet.

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by rswanzey on Oct 9, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

rosario

I hear you, but I have been high on this guy since he was drafted, more so than I was with Morales. It is an aggressive call, yes.

by John Sickels on Oct 9, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rosario

I’ve got him 4th. He’s got incredible tools and power and speed and an arm… I try to be conservative with short-season guys, but with guys like Sano and Rosario, that’s hard to do. Morales is still a top 10 Twins prospect for me. Arcia’s definitely top 5.

by SethSpeaks on Oct 10, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

high on rosario since drafted

Well, I did listen to you last winter on him and managed to make a sleeper in SS ball the main return in a big sim league trade, so I can certainly defer to what you’re hearing on him again, haha. Wish I had gotten out to see him for myself when Elizabethton was in town. Thanks!

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by rswanzey on Oct 10, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

System

I appreciate your summary of the system, very much how I view it. Not a lot of elite talent, especially arms, but there is some really good depth and the system could take a serious step forward next year if they draft well at #2 and some of that depth emerges.

by drjim on Oct 9, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes love the list John

I actually predicted you’d have Wimmers, Gibson 14 and 15th !!!

Little suprised the seperation between Hendriks and Salcedo is that great even though they’re both similar arms. With Salcedo slated more for GB, and Hendriks FB because he will give up more over the Fence.

I’d prefer Kepler to GoodRum at this point but can’t argue with the placement.

The one big X -factor for me is Travis Harrison this is a guy who could still flame out in A ball.
Enjoyed the Parmelee love, and Benson could be huge next year too, although he struggle in short MLB stint.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 9, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

There looks to be a couple top of the rotation collage starters...

in next years draft. I’m guessing that’s where the Twins do with the #2 pick. Then pick up a prep hitter if they get a comp pick. Twins have a lot of potential ( all the B- grades) but guys like Hicks and Michael need to show something more. Guys like Morales and Roberts need to show health. Starting pitching is a mess….

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by maxisagod on Oct 9, 2011 10:29 PM EDT reply actions  

quick

ask him who Pujols, Fielder and Reyes play for in 2012!

by Woodman663 on Oct 10, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roads?

Where ‘maxisagod’ came from, we don’t need roads.

by Matt0330 on Oct 11, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sure

and I agree with your original point (not sure what Michael needs to show – but then, I’ve never bought into him as a SS)… but lets not pretend we don’t have any data points for Michael – he went to a major college program, played in the college world series, played on the cape… Scouts have seen plenty of the kid. There really isn’t a whole lot of difference between the baseball they play on the Cape and in the NYPL. Its the same game. 2 months of NYPL stats aren’t suddenly a baseline for the statistically inclined to choose as a starting point for significant baseball… you know?

by alskor on Oct 11, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree completely

Sure the pitcing in the Appy Lg or Mdwest Lg is going to be likely greater than the competition North Carolina faces most of the time, but there is plenty to go off of in regards to Levi Michael in his colliegate career.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 11, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, sure

My first comment was really just attempting to be humorous & I wasn’t trying to call out the poster or anything (hopefully that was apparent). If the original commenter meant what you infer, then I guess he had an issue with the draft selection itself if anything.

We’ll see how Michael does this spring. I feel like the Twins have had a myriad of middle infielders somewhat like him before but I agree with the article above that he has a pretty good shot to top that & be a valuable regular guy.

by Matt0330 on Oct 11, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't worry Matt I liked your post... :-)

So people are wondering what I think Levi Michael has to show more of? Well first off that he can stick at short. He seemed to move to a different position every year in collage. He hasn’t put up a lot of innings playing short even though he was drafted as a SS. He doesn’t have a Sano like bat that will “play anywhere”. My poor word choice may have come from that fact that I, like a lot of people saw him play after he was drafted, in the Collage World Series. I guess he didn’t “show me much” with that bat then. I do tend to think of collage ball as the equivalent to rookie ball or short season A ball, but I’ll give the guy a fresh start after he logs in pro ball innings. After all, his series run was a small sample size.

As for my time machine, Reyes stole it so he can play for the 86 Mets and get a ring. He then gave it to Fielder who plans to go to the future to get paid 10 times what he will this season. Pujols… passed on using it. Word is, after his payday this offseason he’s going to buy two time traveling DeLorean … one for entertainment at parties and the other to throw empty bottles of Cristal at when he’s alone. It’s really kind of sad when you think about it. ;-)

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by maxisagod on Oct 11, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

I’m not as well versed in ‘all things Michael’ as some but I feel like there are those who are pretty confident he can stick at SS – not challenge for Gold Gloves or anything necessarily but hold his own at least. If not, he can almost certainly play a mean 2b (with a fairly reasonable utility infield fallback) . We’ll just have to wait & see where he ends up. Well, unless we can catch Prince Fielder at Twin Pines Mall when he gets back in the time machine..he could probably let us know.

by Matt0330 on Oct 12, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wondered about Guerra recently just enough to still

not Google. Probably ended up watching pron.

For no reason at all I think Kyle Gibson is going to work out all right, and might even go as high as a #2 starter if things really go well.

by SenorGato on Oct 9, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the write up on Roberts, my darkhorse here

I think he can become kind of a poor mans Johnny Damon, never hit for much power but get on base a lot and collect hits.

by Dbullsfan on Oct 10, 2011 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Has your outlook on Gibson gotten worse...

…independent of the injury and surgery?

It seems like he was talked about as a #2 or borderline #1 starter as recently as the middle of this season.

by latestalias on Oct 10, 2011 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

He was never viewed

as a borderline #1 by anyone… low end #2 was his ceiling since he was drafted.

by another know it all on Oct 10, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

BA described him as a #1 then

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by OldProspects on Oct 10, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kyle Gibson's ceiling

Injury or no, I think anything above a middle of the rotation ceiling was pretty optimistic. Realistically, he was probably more of a back of the rotation guy on any club even bordering on contention, right? He’s definitely got the ‘innings eater’ frame & is somewhat polished, but I don’t think any of his offerings (even his supposedly vaunted SL) were as advertised this year.

by Matt0330 on Oct 10, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure

Before he was drafted he was a top 10 (some said top 5) in a pretty good class. His first year he went from A to AAA and this year he was pretty darn good at AAA – over 9k/9ip, tons of groundballs before he started pitching hurt and needing TJ surgery. I certainly don’t think he projects as a back of the rotation guy.

by Gunnarthor on Oct 10, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

B-

I don’t like the full letter grade drop here especially since he was injured. I think a potential back of the rotation innings eater is worth a B-. Hopefully he recovers because as John has said he “fits perfectly into Twins pitching philosophy”

by James Westfall on Oct 10, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah to me B- seems more appropriate, as well

However given the track record for guys with the Twins who had the Tommy John Surgery there certainly hasn’t been a very benificial outcome in terms of guys getting back to, or better then their pre-surgery selves…

Liriano isn’t the same
Joe Nathan (so far) isn’t the same
Pat Neshek isn’t NEARLY the same
Joe Mays was’t’ the same
Brad Radke opted to Retire instead of having a surgery done under the Twins physicians (not sure if it was going to require tommy J)
Phillip Humber (tommy J with the mets) wasn’t the same , altough he’s clearly broken through now.

It actually could be argued of all 30 MLB teams in the league the Twins of had by far and away the least amount of succes with the Surgery.

I mean there are so many success stories out there but the Twins only 1 is Liriano and he now looks diminished after what he did in 2010. What Nathan does in 2012 will really tell us a lot. (he’s rehabed as hard or harder than anyone else I’ve ever seen after a surgery)
Ryan Vogelsong, Jaime Garcia, Chris Carpenter, Scott Feldman, Jordan Zimmerman, Matt Holliday, Kenny Rogers to name a few and many many others…. Brett Anderson, Adam Wainwright, and to a lesser degree Strasburg all remain to be seen.

So that is part of my argument, in that C+ is actually appropriate given the Twins’ track record at bringing back a pitcher after he’s had the surgery. I will say this though Gibson was a minor leaguer when the surgery was performed where as all the other guys were already in the Majors.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 11, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Mays had TJ twice and Milton once. Could be wrong.

In any event, without going through every organization, it would be tough to determine if the Twins are 1) worse at rehabbing TJ patients and/or 2) better/worse at preventing pitchers from needing it.

This year was such a SNAFU that I’m not sure the training staff knows what they’re doing anymore. But it also seems to me only a few years ago that the Twins had some very healthy pitching staffs.

by Gunnarthor on Oct 11, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Twins

The twins have a terrible track record with players post surgeries. I would go as far as to say that if you are twin and you get injured you are in big trouble. Look at Mauer and Morneau, they both cant shake their injury bugs either. To a lesser degree i wounder how much the Twins lack of medical care contributed to Johan Santana’s injury? cleary that is just speculation but it makes you think.

by James Westfall on Oct 13, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries

I’m pretty sure almost every injury that happened in baseball last season can be traced back to the Twins medical staff.

by drjim on Oct 13, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oswaldo Arcia

The lack of walks might be an issue, but for a 20 year old faring well in the FSL he performed very well. The 53 Ks in 227 PAs in High A aren’t a negative to me & when coupled with his brief assault on the Midwest League, he’d be my #2 behind Miguel Sano here but I can see the case for Eddie Rosario too (not dissimilar to Arcia in a lot of ways but a probable CF).

I’m not sure if Liam Hendriks even has Kevin Slowey’s upside (i think he might end up a bullpen swing guy if he becomes a somewhat consistent MLB-er) but we shall see.

by Matt0330 on Oct 10, 2011 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Sano

I’m drinking the Kool-Aid on Sano. 58% of all hits went for extra bases en route to a .350 ISO. He’s going to be a beast. Probably the 2nd best power tool in the minors after Harper.

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by mckeeno on Oct 10, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Revere

John, I’m curious as to where you think Ben Revere is headed after this season. He’s not a prospect in the true sense anymore, but I don’t think he’s fully developed. Thanks!

by GuyinNY on Oct 10, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully to another team

He will get far too many innings in Minnesota if he stays.

by diehardtwinsfan on Oct 10, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Revere doesn't scream 4th OF?

He’s at best a 2 dimensional player, and that’s pushing it. He’s Carlos Gomez with less tools but (hopefully) a better IQ. He is at best a 4th OF, and Gardy will turn the guy into a starter. He will best help the Twins if someone overpays for him.

by diehardtwinsfan on Oct 11, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Juan Pierre?

Doesn’t Revere’s skill set remind you of Juan Pierre? Sure, there’s a general lack of pop, but Revere is REALLY fast and puts the bat on the ball. Guys like that are disruptive, and they can certainly be very useful starters at the big league level (see Juan Pierre in his prime or Willie Wilson.)

by GuyinNY on Oct 12, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thoughts

I’d still have Angel Morales ranked, towards the back end of the top 20. He’s been slowed by injuries but is young with good tools. I’d also put Arcia 2nd. Injuries have been an issue for him as well but the guy is just a pure hitting machine. The strikeouts are due to being pushed aggressively- something the Twins only do with special cases.

I think Parmelee is getting a little overrated due to his blistering cup-of-coffee performance. He hasn’t shown much power in AA and has minimal defensive value.

It’s a good list, and I agree with most of the rankings and grades. Given the relatively good success rate of TJ surgery I’d have Gibson as a B-… he still has mid-rotation upside and a better chance of reaching it than someone like Boer or Boyd.

by drivlikejehu on Oct 10, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

An interesting system that's very heavy on outfield propects at the top

If they can really hit on a couple of them, it could become a strength of the Twins for years to come.

I was pretty disgusted after the Rockies season, but the rapid demise of the I-95 teams have helped with that.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 11, 2011 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Ranking Question

John, Always enjoy your write ups and insights on minor league baseball. Just a comment on your top group without calling out anyone out on the list. I think that it is very hard to include rookie year players without really any pro track record (I know there is a lot more that goes into than that …) but to drop down guys or not include guys that have put up great stats at the A+ or AA or even low A for a full season & include a rookie with average stats – don’t see that one. One rookie on this list got toasted a bit in low A this year – while another 2nd year guy was lights out at Beloit and Ft Myers + reached AA. The rookie was ranked higher?
At some point the performance has to outweight the hype. With that said again you do a great job and I would be curious if you had a comment.

by baseball SD on Oct 11, 2011 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

?

You have me confused. Usually I get criticized for paying too MUCH attention to performance and not enough for projection. Which players are you talking about specifically?

by John Sickels on Oct 11, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t want to go there, but Boer would be one & Summers did really well at E Town but that’s along way from A+ or AA as compared to say Hauser, Hermsen and the Dutch Dynamo that got to AAA.

by baseball SD on Oct 11, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

We shall see it gets really hazy with that Ceiling / Projection stuff. I like the numbers & I would add them in next year once they prove themselves. It is a bit of the cart before the horse.

by baseball SD on Oct 11, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, you're a little hard to please

I think John is perfectly competent and then some at negotiating these issues.

The three players you mentioned all project to be fringe major leaguers at best. Boer was “only” a high upside second round pick this year.

by mrkupe on Oct 12, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

The point I am trying to make is let the rookies earn their way on the performance not the hype. See how they do in their 1st full year of pro ball rather than rolling out the red carpet now. Rank them lower on the chain or on the fringe and see how they progress. To put so much emphasis on the “ceiling or projection” I just don’t get that – really hard to pick one guy over another on that basis. The body of the work to me is a better indicator.

by baseball SD on Oct 12, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no interest in hype, but I do have interest in talent

Boer is clearly a very talented arm.

Nobody denies the usefulness of statistics to inform opinions but “the body of work” as you put it can also be very misleading.

by mrkupe on Oct 12, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time will tell it will be interesting to see how his 6.75 ERA & 1.63 WHIP in low A translates next season.

by baseball SD on Oct 12, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boer

He pitched eight innings in Low-A….a minuscule sample, and posted a 12/1 K/BB.

by John Sickels on Oct 13, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

if that's how you're going to treat the stats

The only numbers we’re letting you play with here is on the Minor League Ball Paint-By-Number Of The Month.

This month’s selection is Failed Prospect Mortal Kombat. I suggest Radhames Liz and his Errant Fastball Decapitation fatality.

by mrkupe on Oct 13, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Soliman at #18 a lot of guys can throw hard, but converting a 3rd baseman to pitcher is a tall order. He needs to show some numbers as well to be there.

by baseball SD on Oct 11, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tough crowd

Man, if anything I think one could make the case that Manuel Soliman could slot quite a bit higher. He had a pretty nice year all in all (especially accounting for his background).

by Matt0330 on Oct 12, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

kepler

i think hes one of the main ones to watch here. hes got a ton of talent. he ended up with decent numbers despite a horrible start last year. the power isnt there but i think it will come. i expect him to break out in 2013, possibly next year but i still think that may be too soon. give this kid some more time in the states. it wouldnt surprise me if kepler ends up becoming what everybody thought aaron hicks would be, it will just require patience

by rangersfan24 on Oct 13, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Sano and Rosario but...

…this is a bottom-tier system for sure, and within the Central, only the White Sox have a thinner system. To me, the Twins’ prospects are a full step behind Cleveland’s and Detroit’s and 2-3 steps behind Kansas City’s.

Overtime loss: The new black.

by Varry Galk on Oct 13, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd easily take Minnesota's system over Detroits

but I’d likely agree with K.C. and Cleveland….

Actually Cleveland is largely debatable now becuase all the graduates trades they’ve made (Carrasco, White, Pomeranz, Kipnis?, Phelps, Chiz?-maybe)

1. K.C.
2. Cle/ Minn
3. Minn/ Cle.
4. Detroit
5. Chicago

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 13, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you graduate Chisenhall and Kipnis (I didn’t for these purposes), then I agree that Cleveland and Minnesota are comparable.

Detroit’s is pretty thin too, but a little better in my opinion — in any event, not “easily” worse than Minnesota’s and I suspect that they will do slightly better on John’s list than 1 B+ and 3 B’s. Also, their top prospects (Castellanos and especially Turner) are much closer than Minnesota’s. Sano and Rosario are both years away.

Chicago definitely has the weakest system in the division.

Overtime loss: The new black.

by Varry Galk on Oct 13, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

For me:

1) KC
(drop off)
2) DET
3) MIN (basically a pick ’em w/ DET, but DET has slightly more depth and a better top prospect in Turner)
(drop off)
4) CLE
(drop off)
5) CWS

Frankly, the Indians system would be an complete disaster if not for their draft. That’s what separates them from the White Sox. I was shocked at how bare the cupboard is in Cleveland. Lindor and Howard are their top 2 for me, then another draftee in Sisco. Then you’re already into mid to backend starters (Blair) and guys who didn’t perform well (Washington). Yuck.

by alskor on Oct 13, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I might have understated this by not putting multiple drop offs between MIN and CLE.

You have 3 systems (KC, DET, MIN) that belong in the top 15 and then two bottom 5 system in CLE & CWS.

Obviously reserve the right to change my mind… and I’m not done with the NL yet.

by alskor on Oct 13, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd go along with this for sure

I can see that, I do really like Turner at the top

and that Machado kid is tearing up AFL for them right now…

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 18, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Niko's last name

Is it pronounced Goo-Drum, like a drum full of goo, or Good-Rum, like something that would make Cap’t Morgan proud….

by philc423 on Oct 24, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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