End of Regular Season Player Regrades - 2011
by gore51 on Oct 3, 2011 11:44 AM EDT
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PrintNow that the regular season of minor league baseball has arrived, I figured it'd be a good time to start another regrade thread.
The last time I did one of these, it pretty much exploded the site with 2195 comments and some pretty good discussions. [http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/9/8/1676215/end-of-regular-season-player]
The format that we used last time worked very well, with a user listing a players name, and then the rest of the community replying to that comment with a letter grade for that player, and possibly an explanation for why they choose that grade.
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PS: I might also through it out there that I would be okay if we also included major leaguers who are still young and unproven, guys in their first or second year in the majors who we still don't have a great idea about the type of player they are going to become.
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by mrkupe on Oct 3, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
O-Scar
A-
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B-/C+
respect the increase in power. still skeptical he hits, but up the middle players w/ some pop have value.
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C+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
B
Was happy to see his BB-rate increase, and K-rate decrease, but not sure that the power output will develop (19 XBH in 373 PAs). Defense seems to be his calling card, and I can see average years of .260/.340/.400 in his future (the .400 might be optimistic, though). Big league regular, though, if he can maintain those kinds of numbers with his defense. Still needs a year at AAA, IMO. FYI, John had him as a B- coming into 2011.
probably not good that he only has thrown out 24% of runners in the minors if defense is the calling card
obviously, that’s not all there is to catching. B- for me. potential average catcher, don’t see a whole lot more upside though.
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C+ for me, tentatively.
Might bump up to B-. Don’t like the body. Didn’t like the defense when I saw him in person. Very sloppy moving and blocking balls. Not much of a hitter. Just some gap power. I have never seen what the big deal is with this kid. He really hasn’t improved year to year either.
His plate discipline has improved for 3 straight years...
And it wasn’t awful to begin with – I see that as a glimmer of some upside, albeit limited. I suppose I could cede to a B/B- ranking.
Its improved from "poor" (6%) to "ok" (8.5%, 5% in his cup of coffee)
Heard some negative things on his work ethic, too. Pro evaluators I’ve talked to about him don’t think a whole lot of him, fwiw.
Right now Id take Banuelos, Betances, Sanchez, Montero, Williams, Bichette, Gumbs, Culver, Cave/Cote, and some of the back of the rotation AA & AAA arms over him. Not all that tough a call for most of those guys. I do still think Romine is a major leaguer, but he’s a backup catcher type for me. I don’t think he hits for a particularly high AVG. I don’t see all that much power there, more gap to gap. He’s not terribly impatient, but I wouldn’t call his approach or discipline a strength of his game at all. Defense still very raw. Lots of sloppiness behind the plate. Very “blah” prospect for me, but he could/should end up a useful MLB piece anyway, since he’s a catcher and not terrible at anything. Will get plenty of chances, too, being a 2nd rounder with bloodlines.
B- for me
Considering he was repeating the league and didn’t improve his performance, not to mention some questions on his defense, I can’t up him higher than where he was last year.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 3, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
Solid defense and a bat with decent upside. He’s hitting in an extreme pitchers park though. Montero only OPS’ed like .500 in that stadium too.
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B-
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
probably not going to be eligible
but, B or B-. struggled a bit in majors, but he’ll hit.
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what do you think of his defense?
looked far better in person in Omaha and on TV than advertised. granted all the reports were fairly negative.
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B-
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
solid B
position pushes him down. gotta rake at 1B, don’t think he’s THAT good. could be talked into B+.
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B/B+
The Majors exposed him for what he really is… an average to above-average 1B. I also view him as “what you see is what you get.” Not that much future potential, although he’s already valuable.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Exposed?
Sheesh, I think he’s handled himself pretty well & improved as the season went on (higher OBP & SLG than Joey Votto in September & a higher isolated power # than Albert Pujols in a similar small sample special too). I don’t really get into the letter grade thing but an everyday player who is more than capable of hitting 30-35 HRs yearly with good defense that is already OPS-ing over .800 in his less than 200 PAs is a good prospect to me. I agree he’s probably an above average first baseman, but that’s pretty high praise really.
In my opinion, ranking Devaris Gordon or (the spectre of) Aaron Hicks higher than Paul Goldschmidt at this point (not saying you btw) is quite a leap of faith.
I meant
average to above-average as the overall package, with above-average as his ceiling. I think his floor is below-average. Considering 1B is hypothetically the easiest position to fill, I just think his value is good, not great. I think he was too hyped mid-season, and I think a very low B+ or very high B is appropriate.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hakuna matata
No worries. I’m sure we could debate for awhile on Goldschmidt having a ‘below average floor’ (which I disagree with relative to plenty of more heralded names), but I think we’ll just agree to disagree on this player.
It’s hard, health permitting, for me to not see Goldschmidt as a productive major leaguer in some capacity & he continues to inculcate that belief with his production & what I perceive to be his ongoing & rapid improvement in just a small introduction to pro baseball. Even this kid’s body language is sublime – I think he’s going to be very, very good.
I'll give him credit, he's not having nearly the problem with fastballs that he did early
He was swinging and missing at them at an insane rate early on, but got it under control for the last month of the season. Next year will be much more telling for him once pitchers have more detailed scouting to go on. If he can continue producing when pitchers know what his weaknesses are, then I’ll be very high on him. I do have a worry that he might struggle big time with strikeouts early next year, and then it will just come down to how he adjusts.
B- Gordon, B+ Sands
Sands OPS’d .908 in September and killed lefties on the year. If his September is even close to real, he will be a very good player. Gordon just does nothing for me.
Ah, the classic "but he raked in September" trap
With all of the craptastic filler September call-up types that get brought up, relying on September numbers is extremely suspect. Just an opinion, but this seems like a dangerous thing to base one’s explanation on.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
B+, B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Travis d'Arnaud
A-.
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A/A-
He was a B- last year and now he’s definitely an A-, maybe even an A if he can have another strong year at the plate.
A-
how much is Arencibia going to play if the Jays end up keeping those 2 going forward?
a dozen or two dozen games a year now? lol
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
Classic Grade A arm with Grade C to C+ polish guy. He gets an extra nudge because of context (first American pro season) and because he handled the MWL well enough. It’ll be interesting to see if he ends up as a starter or reliever.
I can agree with that...
though I really hope he doesn’t end up as a bullpen arm…
solid A- for me
Elite ceiling and I don’t think you can knock him too much for his performance as a 19-year-old in advanced-A.
B+/A-
Amazing arm, but very raw. Probably need to read more scouting reports to know for sure. Leaning towards the A- part.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
but it’s the kind of B+ that could change to an A in no time. Martinez doesn’t necessarily have to be a level-by-level guy. If a couple of things click next year, he’s on the fast track to being dominant in the majors.
Aaron Hicks B
treading on B-
When you get Jim Hoey, Brett Jacobsen, Kevin Mulvey, Deolis Guerra, Cole Nelson, Lester Oliveros, Matt Capps, Jason Pridie, Brendan Harris, and 20,000 dollars for a half dozen key intrical parts to you're organization eveybody hurts.
And you're fan base begins to revolt. Why does Bill Smith evaluate talent? He would be much better served as the teams ball boy.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 3, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions
B.
Low B, but probably still a B. Not a big fan, but there’s still enough upside that, when combined with his youth, you can still dream about what happens when he puts it together. At some point, though, the perception of potential will have limited impact on his grade and he simply will have to be more productive. I think he gets a pass for another year, though.
Hicks gets a C
I don’t think he’s a top 100 guy
by johnnycomelately9 on Oct 5, 2011 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions
What is this?
A contest to see who can have the lowest grade for Aaron Hicks?
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C for me
Never really liked him all that much. When do his tools translate into skills? But more importantly, when do they translate into results. His eye might get him to the Majors, but if he doesn’t improve his Slugging, he wont get out of AA.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 6, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Strong B
Nothing wrong with a center fielder who gets on base.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Solid B.
Great defensive skills and strong plate discipline, but his body lacks physicality and you have to wonder if he’ll ever hit for power. The approach should lead to better results, but pitchers won’t give him anything to hit if he doesn’t challenge them.
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by Satchel Price on Oct 12, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Then again
If he can become some sort of a stolen base threat he’ll have to get something to hit. Never want to walk a guy to second base.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 12, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
hold on B i think
and it would be unfair to call next year a “make or break” since he’s young, but at some point i’d like to buy into his hitting more.
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Brett Jackson
B+. If you want to go low B+, I can buy that. I can understand some folks suggesting high B, but a majority of folks thought he was a B+ last year, and it’s easy to forget, but he’s probably a better overall player than last year (defensive improvements).
dude is fast
that’s pretty stanoudish.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 6, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
B+
and solid too. Ks are a worry, but I love his all-around game.
by PrincetonCubs on Oct 4, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Szczur long term more
But only gave Matt a “B” so i gotta go high end “B” with Brett …. I wouldn’t be shocked if he played a little passed that.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
B+.
More gut feeling than anything. I know there are concerns, but he looked so damn good.
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Weird Year
I’ll feel more comfortable grading him when we get some new scouting reports out of AZ
B-
I have (too much) of an affinity for great glove guys, so if he can be passable with the bat, which I think he can, he will be a valuable guy to man short and put in the 9th spot.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
C+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
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B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
I agree with lost of what Kupe said, I’d just rtoll the dice on the upside a little more. He came a long way this year.
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I agree with you here. I also think the fact that he was able to jump from 43 to 118 innings is a good sign for those concerned about his injury history. If he can put up similar numbers next year over a full season in A+ ball, he’s going to be dyn-o-mite!
one thing
“I also think the fact that he was able to jump from 43 to 118 innings is a good sign for those concerned about his injury history.”
Call me this time next year about this and let’s both hope you’re still on the right track.
Agreed
My point is that he showed the ability to greatly increase his workload this year. If he’s able to maintain that and build on it (130-140 innings next year), I don’t think his injury history will have any more merit than a pitcher who has none.
B+
very encouraged by his season. Making all his starts and logging the innings he did wasn’t something I was expecting. The numbers were top-notch. On par with what Peavy did at the level (both 11k/9). Opponents only hit .192/.274/.303 off him. The .574 ops against is crazy impressive, but even more so was the fact it was 20 points lower coming into his last start when he gave up 6 runs in 2.1 IP, the same number of runs he allowed in his previous 9 starts.
B+
I’m still a little concerned with durability but he did a lot this year to quell that fear. K/PA is fantastic. I like him a lot long term.
by polyrhythm07 on Oct 3, 2011 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
B+/A-
I’ve been on this guy since he was drafted in 2009 and he’s done nothing but impress me since day 1. Before the Mike Adams trade I would rank him as the top arm in the padres system; now he has stiff competition from Wieland and Erlin.
I see him landing between a #1-3
by johnnycomelately9 on Oct 5, 2011 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions
B
Has the potential to be the top arm in system and a B+/A- by the end of next year though.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 7, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
My biggest point on ARL to league is that it keeps you realistic about a player from just looking at them. I like to judge players on visual impressions but, when I see Xander is 18 and another guy is 20, the difference in growth potential is huge. It’s an enormous, real, factor that the eyes can’t see – at least my eyes. It has nothing to do with them automaticly a big-leaguer, or given a pass because of thier age. It’s just fundamental to the game, and a lartger factor than most give it credit for.
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B
BA is low, too many K’s, not enough walks, but still young for league. I am a bit more conservative with younger players though. Let’s see how he does in A+ next year.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 3, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
I want to go higher ,and my gut tells me too. It’s hard to argue with 98 Hits and 177 Ks, in two upper-minors stops. His frame doesn’t scream durability but, he knows and how to use his fastball – up to 94 from what I saw, bigger in the futures game – his curve is nasty and, he he seems to be fearless out there.
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He was up to 96 in his first MLB relief appearance, fwiw
and when I saw him at AAA he was hitting that high as well.
+1
not sure i buy him as a starter. has a chance, though.
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B/B+
I think he’ll be productive at the next level.
by johnnycomelately9 on Oct 5, 2011 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
B
Hurts to watch him pitch.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Vincent Catricala B
Likely should be aC+ or B- since little scout love and can’t play 3rd, but i like that he raked at AA after the promotion at his age.
B
Next year he could become an A- or a C+, let’s see how he adjusts in AAA and if he can maintain this production.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 3, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
about as high as I can go on a reliever
Agree...being a RP does hurt his ceiling for overall ranking, even if he closes...
Relative to other RPs only, he’d be an easy A.
B
Docked for being reliever, agree with dbreer23 – top of the reliever class.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 3, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right, he's no Kimbrel.
His control is MUCH better.
Kimbrel
Still had 127 Ks and 46 saves with “lesser” command.
This is really an apples and oranges comparison.
Kimbrel obviously had a great rookie season. But if you are comparing them based on their prospect status heading into their rookie season, it would be hard to convince me to take Kimbrel over Reed. Their K rates were very close and Reed’s BB rate was MUCH better.
no way
Even Heading into 2010 I would have taken Craig Kimbrel before I’d take Addison Reed heading into 2012.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
He closes in 2012 w/o Santos there. I love me some downward plane.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed
Plus, his stuff is just way better than Reed’s (not a slight on Reed as Santos’ raw stuff is awesome) and he’s made leaps and bounds in learning how to pitch every year thus far. Reed might have a shot at closing for a number of teams, but in Chicago, I think he’ll have to hope for a Santos injury or total collapse (which would probably suggest an injury anyways).
Agreed.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 10, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
That was supposed to be hypothetical scenario, but I do see how that could have been misconstrued.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 10, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
C+
He has stalled since reaching AA. Hasn’t shown real growth in last two years between AA and AAA. Going to be in his age 24 season next year, and will probably make or break him as a starting prospect – could excel if moved to bullpen.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 3, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
still debating, but I'm probably going C+
I know he rebounded a bit later in the season, but boy did he look awful when I got to see him. I don’t really believe that he’ll be any more successful at AAA next year than he was this year. The command and stuff isn’t quite closer caliber at this point, but I think he can have a career as a decent middle relief/set-up type, some good years, some bad years.
C+
In 2010 he pitched like a B/B+ In 2011 Like a D+/C-
by johnnycomelately9 on Oct 5, 2011 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions
B-
At worst I think he’ll be a very good late inning reliever. Still a fair chance to be a solid starting pitcher though.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 7, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
C+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
B
I’m actually optomistic on this guy. 6-9, mid to upper 90’s heat, only started starting this season
Keeps ball in ballpark too 5 Hr in 185 pro innings. Lots of upside here – B is quite conservative on him really but, he has a few of the earmarks of a guy that gest shifted to the bullpen in the long run.
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Somewhat
I like Richards a tad better though. He doesn’t look like much but, decent stuff, big durable looking kid, throws strikes – is a good combination.
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B-
Ugly BB-rate, new to starting, not particularly young for A+, let’s see how he fairs next year.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 3, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
Not higher because I’d cap relievers at B+ and while Hellweg is good, he’s not great
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B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
B
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
B
strong side well shoot maybe B+
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd go B+ on the Mets pitching trio
With Harvey a fringe A- and Familia a fringe B. Wheeler in between as a straight B+
B-
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll
be aggressive. B- The potential, solid scouting reports, and decent numbers he put up at the age all add up to a B- for me. More of a gut feeling call though.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
er B-
for appearance’s sake.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
A+ for the name only.
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C+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Szczur
B, but probably a low B. I can buy B-. I like him, and have defended him in threads here, but are the low walk rates something to be concerned about? The walk rates started to decline in MWL, and they were low in FSL. Sure, he has a plus hit tool, and the reports on his eye/approach aren’t bad enough to be really worried about the walk rates, but it’s enough to be concerned with. How much power he develops is also a factor.
B
I’m inclined to like him more than I thouight I would. Looking at his AA performance, I see a guy who went up a big step – hit the ball harder or,just as hard, looks like – walked and K’d about the same. The sizeable difference in slash-line looks superficial to me.
I wonder If he and Gary Brown aren’t aren’t very similar players, separated in some minds by the differences in thier leagues? I like both of these guys.
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B
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B-
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
A-
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Debating between strong B and weak B+
Going to withhold grade on Sano for now…
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B+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
Command is wobbly after TJ. If it returns to pre-surgery ratios next year I’ll confidently give him an A-
by polyrhythm07 on Oct 3, 2011 2:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A-
How about an A- to balance you guys out? He’s a good looking pitching prospect but, I suspect he may have some struggles at first. Easy arm though – wow.;
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by doublestix on Oct 3, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
ill compromise with an A-. I’m just glad he’s getting the pub he deserves. Easy arm man. You guys will find out one day…one day guys
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B………..was working at 91-93 mph in his MLB start……..did not dominate in AA and struggled with command all year……..realize hes coming of TJ but would have liked to see improved command and velocity towarDs the end of the year but did not happen………..ceiling will by a 3 and only if command and durability issues come around
Can't comp that velo to pre-surgery, though
He’s changed fastballs, now working w/ two-seam instead of four-seam
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A-
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A-
Should have seen this one coming. Made me chuckle. :-)
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Manny Banuelos
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
B-
He’s been pushed hard- relatuive to his age. I like him but, at the same time I don’t thibnk there is much that is special about him except perhaps – Yankeenss? For a kid with not-great-stuff, he also now has control issues and gives up too many long-balls. Thats a big red flag for a pitching prospect.
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I've yet to read any report
saying he doens’t have great “stuff.”
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Really? Not great stuff?
The same kid who Mo called the best pitching prospect he has seen?
by cookiedabookie on Oct 3, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
I still believe in him, but he needs a consolidation season at AAA next year – he still will only be in his age 21 season.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 3, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
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B
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B+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
Better control and he would be an A-
by cookiedabookie on Oct 3, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
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Superb B+
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Danny Duffy
He had his struggles but I thought he showed enough potential to merit a B+ at least. Dominated the PCL too.
fine then
B+. No reason he can’t be an above-average LH starter.
CH needs to come along
if it does, yeah.
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I think his entire career is going to hinge on the change
You are exactly right. When I wrote about him last year I said the change is going to make or break his career and it looks like it was a key in this season.
C+ ???
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by ChalupaCabrera on Oct 12, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Zack Cozart
I’m thinking B. Good defense and solid hitting at a premium position. Walks are a concern but I like the low strikeout rate.
B.
Perhaps a low B. I could understand a B-. I get the upside, I do. But he’s got more work to do on his secondary pitch consistency and his control/command.
B
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Nolan Arenado
He started slowly, but came on as the season progressed. I saw him live once in San Jose. He drove the ball well and made a nice play at 3B. I think he gets an adjustment from B+ to A-.
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B
i’ve yet to hear good things about his D at third. and if he’s not at 3rd, it’s 1B probably. lets see what he does outside the Cal League.
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the defense in the futures game was more than sub optimal
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is better?
“more than sub-optimal” or “less than sub-optimal?” LOL.
by slacker george on Oct 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Arenado's D
A-
I remain bullish on Arenado and think his bat will stick at third.
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40) Nolan Arenado, 3B, Colorado Rockies, Grade B: Hit .298/.349/.487 with 20 homers, 47 walks, 53 strikeouts in 517 at-bats in High-A. Defense improving. I expect a big breakout in 2012. Stock up.
And Kevin Goldstein of BP on 10/4:
Nolan Arenado, 3B, Rockies (Rafters): 2-for-4, 2B, 2 R, RBI, BB. Minor League RBI leader impressed scouts as much with his defensive improvements this year as his hitting ability.
A-
I’m a big fan.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A-
And it makes me sad. :-(
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
B- sounds good
Made some progress this year, still not sure how he’ll fit defensively, not a big believer in his bat.
How so?
Held his own okay in an older league, but his plate discipline took a pretty big dip.
not sure what you mean
His production was by no means exceptional (in fact, it actually went backwards from 2011 if you use OPS+), but he did all right for himself in AA and his Ks didn’t explode at that level. It wasn’t a year to really get excited about, but there are signs that his pure hitting ability improved, and that gives us more to go on as far as projecting his ability to meaningfully produce in the majors. His defense also improved somewhat, and while I don’t think he’ll be an ideal option, I think there’s a chance he can hold down SS for a bit of time.
I’m not especially high on him, but he’s only 22 and there’s a chance that he’ll find a breakthrough at some point. He might be nothing more than a quality reserve, and he doesn’t hold great appeal either scouting-wise or statistically, but I think there is enough on both sides to think there is some chance he will turn into a decent starting player somewhere on the field.
Interesting to see the opinions on him here. All of three months ago, “Beckham is back!” was all the rage from some folks. He really shouldn’t have been in AAA this year, so I can’t believe that his stint there is solely responsible for the step back.
B-
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
looks like he could be a solid late inning type if he can improve his control
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What are the chances he’ll get to start for Toronto a few years down the road? Or will he just be demoted/traded if he doesn’t end up as a decent reliever.
I think none
The system’s already full of solid SP prospects
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high B+ for me
Need to see him keep it up at higher levels but he is extremely promising.
B+
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C+
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Wil Myers
Still a straight A for me. Probably good for his long-term development that he worked through some struggles this year. He ended the season on a tear and I expect him to do very well in the AFL.
debating between B+ and A-
I’m not sure about how his body will mature down the line, but he took to the outfield very well despite his injury and positively resolved the defense question. His arm strength plays VERY nicely out there.
Offensively, I quite like the package. I’m not sure he will be more than above-average as a contact hitter due to some lingering issues with quality breaking balls, but he has impressive plate discipline and I put a 70 grade on his future power.
A-
the dummy fans don’t mind Myers getting traded. for real. not I, kid is going to be a stud.
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I'd sure like to keep him.
He’s one of the few that I wouldn’t trade. He’s going to be a corner piece for KC.
if he's traded for a real stud pitcher that's fine
but yeah i really would like to keep him.
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yeah...you better be getting an ace for 3+ years if you're including myers
he’s damn near untouchable for me
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by billybeingbilly on Oct 4, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
A
Bat is still there and in the end it’s the most important factor if you’re sticking in the MLB.
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A-
have to give a little knock for this year, but still..
by PrincetonCubs on Oct 4, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Troll
At this point, you are now a troll. Myers at no point is a slightly above average prospect, even considering his injury here. Age relative to level, bat speed, pre-season ranking, pedigree, successful defensive transition to outfield, etc. What is a C if Myers is a C+??? Let me guess, Jesus Montero, ahh gotcha.
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by ChalupaCabrera on Oct 12, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
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Anthony Gose
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B+
Needs to be more consistent and cut down on the K’s.
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I admit I am a low BB-rate, high K-rate whore lol
And a 1.9 BB/9, 10.8 K/9, 5.62 K/BB line is a sexy thing. Add that to him being a year younger, and he is a tad bit higher for me. But Hutchinson is still nice, and I could see a B+ for him.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 3, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Hutchison
B
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B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
C+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
C+
Obviously has a ton more just want to be patient with him. He’ll need some polish.
by DominicanDandy on Oct 7, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
I actually like Nimmo a lot, but there’s also a lot about him that screams possible bust. I could see him being anywhere from a C to a B+ this time next season.
B
Really like Nimmo. I could see him jumping big time.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
Love the tools and the swing which as see producing for power and avg.
by DominicanDandy on Oct 7, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You aren't kidding.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
impressive debut, let’s see if he can maintain it.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 3, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
or that he adjusts
should scare you on.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 6, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
scares me off
if he adjusts and finds that consistent swing, he’ll scare you ON
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 7, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, i see.
possibly, still he’s a HS bat first guy, who doesn’t have a consistent swing. other than his rookie ball numbers, not much impresses me there
B-
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
C+
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
someone likes to be serious around here
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 14, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
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B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Franklin
B/B+. Power regressed after promotions. Still, K/BB improved and have to take his 2011 stats with a grain of salt due to concussion, illness. Might have to move off SS but should be plenty valuable even at second.
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like Nick Franklin
A pretty good campaign at 20 wherein he reached AA & more than held his own.
C
have you seen him play?
‘cause he’s ONLY scouting reports now.
I stay with C until there’s proof he can handle pitching not thrown by a 16 year old.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 6, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
A C grade basically means he's barely a prospect at all
Claiming a high first round pick should be a C is insane. Maybe 4 years from now if he looks continuously lost at the plate. A grade C for Starling would take a Skipworth like performance over an extended period of time.
B-
I haven’t seen much of anything positive about his actual ability to hit and that really worries me. Yes, he is super toolsy and he’ll likely have speed and defense to contribute, but I’m exceptionally uneasy about his overall offensive projection.
B
Too raw for me to give him anything other. I’d be hard pressed to find another B bat with similar potential, or any batter in minor league baseball with similar upside, sans Trout and Harper.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
B+, could be a top-5 guy next year
This report really sold me on him: http://diamondscapescouting.com/scoutingreports_2011_starlingde.html
by gore51 on Oct 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, you probably won't find anybody more pessimistic than me
I’ll even say that I’m cautiously optimistic that grade will be up to a B by this time next year. But considering that there have long been questions about his pure hitting ability, I’d rather be conservative for the moment than go with a grade on a prep draftee that I don’t feel comfortable with.
B-
There is just too much a question if he can hit or not. Baseball is a game that eats pure athletes. Hitting is such a freak ability…I think you either got it or you don’t.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
A
Ridiculous year and BA just mentioned 3 plus pitches (considering how many plus pitches they mention though I do take that with a grain of salt) for him. Seems like a guy that might be a little underrated right now that will be a consensus A once more recent reports on his stuff start making their way around.
B+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
A
top-15 guy.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I've gotta go C too
Age, delivery, walks…. the guy’s a bit of a mess.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree his stock is dropping off
but what’s wrong with his delivery? He has that weird dance thing in the beginning but he’s pretty low effort and has a smooth arm action.
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by CaptainCanuck on Oct 9, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmph
Must have mixed up my prospects. That bob thing is freakin’ strange, though…
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 10, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
C
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
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B/B+ border for me
Think I’m leaning towards keeping him at B+.
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Agree
Ended the season on a high note allowing a .258/.276/.330 line over his last 11 starts.
B
Not the best season, but his K/BB ratio wasn’t bad and he had a 56% GB percentage. He is still plenty young enough to put it all together and reach his potential.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 7, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't care for her arm action
Ah, thank you..
by Matt0330 on Oct 4, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
haha
you guys are too much…..
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by CaptainCanuck on Oct 8, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Thick lower half
I can picture her bulking up and moving to a less demanding position in the future. Intangibles make up for the bad body. Been described by some veteran scouts as a dirt dog.
by Guyute on Oct 4, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
B-
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
Kid might have the highest ceiling within the entire Rangers organization….
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haven't decided, might be "only" an A-
I’d like to see how his tools really hold up in game situations against serious competition. Only so much I can take from the numbers of such a polished player in Low A.
A
Yes, straight A. Not calling out those people who find fault in him, cause I’m certainly not always right, but I simply believe that any “fault-finding” involving Profar is picking nits. The dude is phenomenal.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
A
as well , but this time next year he could end up A- / B+
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
A
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A
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
Saw him a few times in person against Taillon. Impressed me.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
Prior to his draft I liked this swing and his approach he’s showing interesting tools.
by DominicanDandy on Oct 7, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll reserve judgement
but where are the reports of his increased defense from? Just curious because his passed ball rate is insanely high last year.
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the passed balls
were mostly before he got disciplined.
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Julio Teheran
A
Interested if some people with drop his grade a bit
A-
but I don’t give A’s out very easily. I’d probably give Moore an A and Teheran is probably my #2 pitching prospect.
I can at least understand that
Interesting that you’d also give Pomeranz an A- though. Don’t get me wrong, I like Pomeranz a lot, but I personally feel the difference between him and Teheran is bigger than the difference between Moore and Teheran.
Tough to argue with that logic
I mean I don’t think your position is unreasonable either, but it’d be cool to at least hear your reasoning. Teheran showed significantly better velocity on his fastball in the majors this year (over 3 MPH more). He got more swinging strikes. Both the change and curve showed their potential to be plus at the end of the year. He started throwing the change with more velocity on a consistent basis, which leads me to believe he’s starting to try and throw it hard which should keep the arm speed up. Seriously, other than struggling in his first exposure to the bigs as a 20 year old and two people questioning the curve (ProjectProspect and Law, if I remember correctly neither of whom has actually seen him live in the past year), what reason is there to not love Teheran?
I'm definitely with you on this one
I don’t think Pomeranz is the same caliber of prospect that Teheran is.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
B
solid fan of the bat.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
B
stil a big fan, room for more maybe not a lot more though
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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Andrelton Simmons
B- for now, but that could move up to a B if others rate him as highly as the BA CAR top 20 did.
I saw him this summer and he was MLB ready defensively
Easily ready. Better than half the SS’s in the league I would guess. The bat is the question.
Thanks for the first hand opinion
I’m far more optimistic on his bat than I was when the Braves drafted him. Obviously he’s got almost no power, but the K rate is quite promising. And even if he can’t hit, hopefully he can make it as the first ever (at least as far as I know) relief pitcher/late inning defensive replacement.
sounds good to me
He’s been underrated for a while now . . .his bat is coming along much better than could be expected, and with an above-average glove at SS, he’s going to get plenty of chances.
i agree
he could bring the same things to the table that Elvis Andrus does.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 6, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Won't bring that sort of speed
But otherwise I agree
B-
can’t go B even though most would
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
B
I saw him 3 times and I really like what I saw. His defense was awesome and at the plate he sprays the ball around the field, he makes solid contact and has great speed. The only things I see he needs to improvement on is his BB rate and basestealing .
B-
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
Crazy-good defensive shortstops are just so hard to find. Those who show even the faintest ability to hit a lick are special. Big fan.
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I'd probably go A-
He could very well end up as a cutoff point between A- and B+ hitters IMO
A-
He’ll stick at short through his prime years barring a surprise, and the offensive potential is that good.
A-
Whispers about him having to move off short; and I’m not 100% convinced his bat is good enough at 3B for him at to be a straight A. It still could be, and either way his bat is good enough he’d be a very good 3B, but too many question marks.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
B+/A-
It is hard to deny his obvious talent and upside, but you have to be cautious due to previous cases.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
B+.
I think A- is a bit too aggressive but I understand why you might feel that way. But the reports out of instructs makes him sound phenomenal, and I’m willing to go upside on him and give him that B+ nod.
B
I almost went B+, but that is awfully high praise for someone who hasn’t really pitched yet and is coming out of HS.
i'll be honest
I was leaning B after the season, but some of the reports out of instructs have been great. To be fair, I guess I shouldn’t let instructs impact me that much, considering it has minimal meaning and is really more to teach guys specific things.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd probably go A-
He could very well end up as a cutoff point between A- and B+ hitters.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think B is the right grade
But it’s really a shot in the dark, more of a hedge between the huge upside and the complete loss of control this year.
I’m just glad he graduated so I don’t have to write about him this offseason.
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B-
Chance to start, doubt he ever reaches the ace potential people once saw, really think he could be a fine reliever if given the opportunity.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
A-
Great pitcher. I’m just afraid the Tigers will some how ruin him…
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Coming back from injury, I would knock him down to a B- personally, until he proves he is healthy.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 4, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
the injury doesn't bother me
i still might have him in my royals top 5.
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He's still got the best "stuff" in the Royals system
He just couldn’t control the ball consistently enough. Now that KC has new MiLB pitching guys in place… we’ll see how he develops. If he finds his control he’s an A.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
forgot the injury
probably a B- for now
by cookiedabookie on Oct 5, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
B
based on how terrible he looked in the show IMO
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
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by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 6, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
poor choice of words, maybe pedestrian or average was better choice…
Don’t get me wrong I think he’ll end up a heck of a relief pitcher, but I think he’s desitined for the ’pen.
but I should wipe away the picture I have of Arodys and forget, it was very SSS.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 7, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
C+
there are three things I look at when it comes to pitching prospects stuff, command, and hittability. Well Archer has no command and got hit around quite a bit in AA. He will have to impress me quite a bit in AAA to make me think he will ever be anything more than a long reliever.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
B
Perhaps a Low B, but I’ll go B. I know a lot of folks will go B- here.
a) At times this year, Trey still flashed his plus fast/plus curve.
b) The change showed improvement this year.
So, what’s the problem? The problem was consistency. For one reason or another, he never put it together consistently this year and the pitches weren’t consistently strong. What’s the reason? Well, the Cubs believe it has to do with the two injuries he dealt with. He had a blister injury after the first game, but he recovered well enough there. In June, he had a rib injury. He struggled in his return, and had a poor June/July where his control wasn’t there (6+ walk rate). His GB rate notably dipped those two months.
I think he was perhaps a touch over-hyped last year, but the potential that had everyone excited is still there, and there is a specific reason why he struggled. The Cubs are sending him to AFL to get extra work in in preparation for 2012.
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B+
A .311 wOBA over 200 PA in the majors. He was 23 at the time, so it wasn’t like he was extremely young. Since I personally think he will have to move to 1B fairly quickly, or be a liability in the OF, a B+ seems appropriate to me.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
.356 wOBA
For the younger Paul Goldschmidt in just under 200 MLB PAs in the regular season. I really think he’s a better potential bat than Brandon Belt.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of your grades are coming off as rediculous
bordering trollish
by cookiedabookie on Oct 5, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
TTO guys have been playable at much less-valuable positions than catcher.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
B/B+
my main concern was his ability to catch after the injury…he convinced me there, and I think next year will be better with the bat
by PrincetonCubs on Oct 4, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
probably a B, but not thrilled with him
He has some pop and some genuine catching skills which should ensure him a decent major league future, but I’m still skeptical that he’ll put everything together at the plate.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
A bit shocked to see
The Rosario grades better than the Norris grades.
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B
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B+
dang Reds and their stranglehold on the catcher market.. them and the Blue Jays.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
A-
You can’t ask much more from a prospect than to advance from high-A to AAA in one season. Plus he’s a catcher with a first-round pedigree and a slash line of .305/.401/.500 for the season. His defense seems to be ok, and his only real knock is that he has Mesoraco in front of him.
B+
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B-
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Domonic Brown
anyone here soured on his longterm outlook? Still an A for me.
A-
Some struggles, even while being yanked around, make you wonder.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
B+, slightly down from last year for me
It’s a pretty good bat, although he needs more consistency. Defense has always hurt him, though . . .the really high grades on him came from when he could use the “young and inexperienced” label to justify his poor defense for the time being, but he really hasn’t improved at all. You can find a lot of guys who can hit while playing mediocre defense in left field.
A
In my mind, I see his name as “Demonic Brown”, which would make a good Adult Swim cartoon name.
by slacker george on Oct 5, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
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Will Middlebrooks
He seems to have a good rep among Boston fans but I don’t know… Good but not overwhelming power numbers, ugly K/BB. I guess he plays good defense and has a “projectable physique” but it’s not like this is some raw kid anymore. B- for me.
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B-
The David Freese of 1b. A solid average player for the position with offensive upside to have better then that years. If I was a Cards fan I’d be in the closet hoping he’s just that in 2012-2014 making league minimum with all that money Pujols would make being devoted elsewhere, on younger players at higher demand positions. Holliday, Berkman, Adams & Freese isn’t a bad fallback option to potentially mortgaging future. Could see them providing 100 homerun’s next year.
B+
based only on how much BA seems to like him
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
B+
Gyorko minor league rankings:
hits (192) – 1st
TB (318) – 1st
2b (47) – 5th
runs (119) – 3rd
rbi (114) – 2nd
Think he’ll be the starting 3b late 2012. Looking forward to his bat being in the lineup, possibly the most ideal one they’ll have deleloped since Petco opened in 2004.
B+
Was a B, but then I started seeing/hearing positive reports about his defense at 3B. If he can play average or better defense at 3B he should hit plenty to warrant a B+ grade.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised you're still that bullish on him
B- is as high as I can go here.
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Basically gets a mulligan
Pretty bad hand injury, the kind that lingers. Flashed the secondary skills and glove.
hmm, probably a C+ with higher potential, but might end up being a B- in this end
He gets a little bit of a pass due to injury, and I still believe in his tools, but .213 for a 22 year old in the MWL is still .213 for a 22 year old in the MWL. It’s a long way to Kansas City from here.
MWL MVP
Combination of tools/upside and stats/progression. Easy B here.
A-
Most underrated prospect.
IMO better than Trout offensively.
Coming off 62 steal season.
by johnnycomelately9 on Oct 5, 2011 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions
'IMO better than Trout offensively'
I’ll agree to disagree. Vehemently.
IMO better than Trout offensively
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did he make
Jesus cry?
He’s trolling.
Liriano is talented, but he was repeating the MWL.
Tee-hee
You’re funny.
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B+
Impressive set of tools to go with an impressive statistical season.
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B/B+
Looking forward to what he does in the CAL league. Expect the hr’s to start increasing a ton, with a 20hr/40sb season a legit possibility. Not a ton of previous padre prospects with his power/speed combo. Raul Mondesi comp has been used on him. Lot of upside.
B-
Looked good, not great when I saw him.
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C+
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B+ level talent
C+ level mental capacity
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 9, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
A-
Put more runs on the scoreboard than fellow youngster, Jon Singleton and, is an asset on the bases and in the field a well. One of the best position prospects in the game.
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Straight B
Same area as Gose. Not at all sold on the bat. I don’t see him hitting for power. Not sure why the cart is getting so far ahead of the horse here… basically cruising off a strong start power wise.
His final line at A+ was .318/.389/.443. FSL, so pretty good… but nothing special. He then went to AA in the second half and hit .190/.272/.310 (114 PAs).
Basically all I’m sure of is that he’s a legit SS who has a patient approach. Definitely in my top 100 and probably close to top 50 (both he and Gose might be getting bumped up I guess – I might have been too stingy with the B+s – but either way I wanted to make these points since I see him getting some VERY high rankings). Not at all sold he’s much of a hitter – looks pretty slappy to me. Good prospect, shouldn’t be crowned an elite one yet.
Slappy
But doesn’t he have the speed to succeed slappy?
He absolutely does.
Even speed wise… he’s a good runner, but he’s not a true burner. And as nixa said… I don’t dislike him at all. In fact, I was one of his biggest supporters around here going into the ‘11 season. Just recently I’ve seen him really, really too high for my tastes in a few quarters. More of a solid, steady SS with a good AVG, who gets on base and is an above average defender. That’s pretty valuable… but the bat isn’t ready now, isn’t a sure thing and overall this isn’t a star or impact kind of player IMO… not the kind of guy who should be getting ranked top 10/20 range, IMHO.
If the odds are high that he can put up a .360+ OBP with 30 SB and plus defense at SS in the majors, that’s a 1st division SS in my book and worthy of a B+. I don’t see the top 10 either, but if you like speed and defense I could see putting him at the back end of the top 20. He’d be 25ish for me.
He was 11 on the HBT list
so yeah, he’s getting a bit too much love. If he steps it up next year at a higher level it’ll seem too cautious, but I still need to see him do better above A+ ball.
In terms of slappy/power, too
The guy is pretty tiny. Tall (6’2) but so lanky and skinny. & not in a projectable way… in a “I think he’ll always be rail thin” way. BA can project his speed leading to some doubles power, but I’m skeptical. Not sure he’ll be strong enough to drive the ball in the bigs. Still, he’s a good defensive SS with the ability to hit for AVG and take a walk. 26 teams could use one of those… so, he’s entering pretty high floor territory. That’s enough to get him top 75, maybe top 50 on my list typically… not sure I’m taking him above guys with tools that wow me.
Probably unfair of me to post a pic from his Cubs days, since he looks like he’s added a little muscle definition since then, but you can see the frame I’m talking about here.
http://www.chicitysports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/hak-ju-lee.jpg
ding
I’ve been saying that all year here. I like Lee quite a bit, even though my comments may have seemed otherwise. But his bat really tailed off after a hot start. Add in that his defense does need cleanup work, and I found some of the mid-season comments about him as a top 10 prospect (was it Keith Law?) fairly ridiculous.
I’d go B, high B perhaps, but B.
Well midseason was before his performance in AA
Top twenty was reasonable. Now, it depends on your taste in prospects. I still think he will make top 30 for me personally, but haven’t made the list yet.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 4, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
By midseason
we had already seen that outside of his red hot April, he was still pretty much the same guy he was before, a slap hitting infielder with great speed and a solid hit tool who had great defensive potential but was inconsistent.
I thought BA’s midseason ranking, 23, was okay. I just thought the top 10 stuff was a bit overboard.
as a side note
meant to post this the other day, but his post April line in A+ was roughly .298/.365/.407 (give or take, too lazy to go through and check on when his 5 HBP happened), an improvement from before, but not nearly as glamorous as his overall A+ line. All that said, I do think the chances he’ll hit with some more consistent power is okay (the reports out of instructs, when with the Cubs, was always positive on his ability to drive the ball eventually). I just don’t know if he is nearly as “there” as a lot of people think he is.
I think he’s probably top 40. I never really make a list, so I can’t say anything more specific beyond that.
Most of the difference in AA was babip
the other components were fairly similar, and it was a small sample. Not sold on the power eaither, but he’s young and tall and could fill out some. The iso wasn’t so bad in FSL. I like the whole package, but I think you are right. A straight B is still a good grade to build on at his age.
He might very well end up B+ for me
I have an idea where he’s landing and it could very well require an upgrade to B+ when I get the full list together (I tend to be too stingy with the B+’s first time around every year). I’ve always liked Lee, if you search my comments… I just think some of the recent stuff is a little over the top and wanted to make a couple points about him. Going to be a pretty good player.
A-
No worries about the glove, obviously. As far as the bat goes, tough go of it in AA, but that was an aggressive move anyways and there aren’t any other underlying statistical markers that worry me about that stint. What’s really interesting to me for Lee, performance-wise, is how he managed to add over 100 points of OPS to his line while moving up a level from last year. Hitting like he did in the FSL is not easy, especially at age 20. I also believe there is at least a bit more power on the way, although I don’t expect wonders there.
Frankly, if the guy had hit in AA like he did in the FSL, he’d be a strong candidate for a Grade A. I’m not going to get down on a 20 year old for having some adjustments issues to AA. He’ll be fine.
Well, my question to you would be this:
Did his .318/.389/.443 in the FSL line convince you he’s an A-/top 20 prospect? That was the best line of his career so far. Do you really buy into his power projection so strongly that he’s an A- for you (and others)? He has 8 career home runs and is super skinny with a slappy, contact oriented swing.
I’m just not at all clear what makes Hak-Ju Lee an A-/top 25 (or whatever, A- is not even full top 20 for me typically). Comparatively, if Lee is an A- then Profar and Machado have to be A++s for me, or stronger. I don’t think he’s at all comparable to those type of players – neither on production so far nor projection – and I don’t think he compares favorably to A- shortstops in previous years.
that line represents a pretty huge jump in production, you'd have to admit
I believe he can be a plus defensive shortstop who hits for average, draws walks, and hits for a respectable amount of power. He should provide premium value in all aspects of the game other than power, and I think there’s a good chance that even that can be resolved as his body firms up and he gets more experience (although I agree, the power will probably never be that great). To give an actual figure to work with, I think .290/.360/.420 is very attainable, and that wouldn’t even require that much improvement. Lee already has the feel for hitting and the plate discipline. I’ll admit it might take a bit of time to see things through, but I’m not looking for a profound change so much as an incremental improvement.
I would take Machado over Lee without a doubt, I think there’s a better-than-average chance he sticks at shortstop and I’m very high on his bat. Profar and Lee are pretty close for me, I go back and forth between them just about every day. Profar is a bit more advanced with regard to using his power (and he should hit for more power down the line as well), but Lee holds the edge on defense.
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High B+.. borderline A-
Stud. Wish the Pirates had taken him instead of Allie.
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B+
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C+
Maybe a B- if I’m feeling charitable. I’ve never really gotten the fascination with him. No defensive value at all, huge problems with contact, and scouts have questioned if the bat will ever play in the majors because of holes in his swing. Not to mention he hasn’t even been that good in AAA once league context is taken into account.
B-
respect the upside enough. but i agree for the most part.
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B-
Keeps crushing the ball in the minors, keeps failing in the majors, keeps getting older, and little defensive value. Based on numbers, I want to give him a B, but feeling a bit of Brandon Wood here.
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B
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B/ borderline B+
Would like to see more Ks but really like the rest of the profile. Seems like a number 3 starter
B/B+ border
Depends on how much value I want to give to his performance in the majors
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Jameson Taillon
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 3, 2011 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
A-
Not great stats, but great scouting reports. And it sounds like the Pirates were working on his mechanics, and sort of not worrying about his results in low-A.
What is wrong with his stats?
2.1 BB/9, 9.4 K/9, 4.41 K/BB, 3.37 FIP looks great to me
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B+
Can’t argue with the arm obviously. Not quite convinced that he’ll be as good as some are hoping he will be.
I admire
your stance mrkupe lol. Honestly love when people stick to their guns. I just hope you are wrong :p
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
The weird thing is, I don’t see myself as being down on Taillon at all! There are lots of things to like about him. Hopefully this next year, there will be more to like about him. I’m certainly not adverse to higher grades as I see fit, I hope you realize.
I'm
just looking at the other grades lol, and comparing. Again, my praise was serious. I want everyone to grade according to their own believe, not be swayed by others. Personally, I think he’s the 3rd best pitching prospect in baseball behind Moore and Miller, but I’d be hugely in the minority on that, if not the only person who thinks that.
Time will tell clearly and I’m ready to eat my words if I’m wrong lol.
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A
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A-
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"C+ with potential"
it’s hard to give a much better grade at this point.
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Ya
Was wondering if some nut would go with a “B-” or if the consensus had downgraded him to a straight C.
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C+
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C+
Played HS down the street from me, rooting for him, but he needs some innings under his belt to improve his control.
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B-
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B-
Has such a sweet stroke. Defensive questions, horrible plate discipline, and injuries are alot of barriers holding him back right now.
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B-
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B-
Seen him in person a few times, he looks very impressive. Very raw, but tools allow me to give him a B-
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
eh . . .okay, B-
Wasn’t quite ready for a full season league, but some encouraging signs, and the tools are very nice. Drawing 50+ walks and staying below a K a game is very impressive for a raw 18 year old. If he had spent this year in a short season league, I think he would have performed well enough to justify a B-, maybe even better than that.
C+
First thought you were talking about his father as a joke lol.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 4, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Made this argument the other day on twitter
but his development was pretty stunted. Lost a year of eligibility b/c of the NCAA mess. Went straight to AA as a pro. Was up in the majors after a few months as a pro. Only a little over a year of minor league time total.
I don't know about that, if his command ever sharpens or is more consistant or just can stay healthy
he could still cieling at #2 theoretically…
I just don’t like his chances.
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C+, maybe B-
I’d like to say higher, but just don’t see more than an average player at best
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B-
Right now. Depending upon how he does next year, he could be a C or an A-
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B- or C+.
I am really, really intrigued with him, and my gut feeling is far higher than how I would grade him. There are two big marks against him from where I’m looking at it, one off-field, one on-field.
The on-field one is easy. He strikes out a ton. Now, his BB rate was better than I expected, and he’s a raw kid, but still, that’s a lot of strikeouts in the NWL. That in of itself probably pushes me off of giving him a B personally.
The off-field one is that he came into this spring grossly out of shape and limited whatever chances he might’ve had to go to full-season. Is it an issue of youth and not knowing any better, or is this a sign of concern? I tend to lean to the former when it’s this early in a career, but it’s enough to have me waffling between a C+ and a B-.
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Starling Marte
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Be
controversial! Everyone having the same opinion sucks! With that in mind, why? I’m honestly curious, not being sarcastic/rude.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I just see a lot of players like Marte who don't get the same attention he's been getting
Toolsy guys with good defensive potential, who post solid but not amazing OPS with awful BB/K ratios.
My home team’s Jimmy Paredes for example. I wouldn’t go higher than a B- on him, and that’s with my homer bias and Paredes already producing in the majors.
Yeah, Marte outhit Paredes’ OPS, but that was mostly on the back of a late-season surge when Paredes was already hitting in the majors, and it was entirely because of BABIP.
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Good
point. There are plenty of toolsy guys out there, even some who can hit, but awful plate discipline will eventually cause a player to get eaten alive by good pitching.
I don’t know much about Paredes, although he did have a decent debut this year, enough for me to take notice in my NL only fantasy league. Still, how do you ignore Paredes’s defensive value vs. Marte’s defensive value? Or are you accounting for that? Either way, Marte still has huge bust potential, so I can Paredes, who’s had some success in the majors getting the nod potentially.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Paredes actually has pretty big defensive potential at 3B
I would give him 60 run/60 arm, maybe even higher on the arm, not sure. He has a little work to do on his footwork but plenty of time.
Third base is almost as valuable as CF, defensively
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Wait
it is? Since when lol? Plus, Marte isn’t a “plus” defensive CF (derived from 60/60) he’s an plus-plus Franklin Gutierrez type glove in CF.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 8, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Sabermetricians give 3B approximately the same positional value as CF
Take for that what you will.
I’m skeptical about Marte being a plus-plus defensive CF as I haven’t seen reports to substantiate that he’s that good.
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B+/A-
I think he’s gonna be a star, and maybe a bit better. I think his lack of plate discipline is less about approach and more about not really needing one with his contact ability against the level of pitching he’s been playing against. Clearly it could use work, I just think the stats are a pseudo-mirage.
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a very healthy A-
If he was 2 inches taller and left-handed, could you make a better prep pitching prospect?
Bundy is a top 15 prospect
Behind Shelby, and Moore
You could make a strong case that he’s better than taillon, and teheran
What's the case for him being better than Teheran?
You do realize that Teheran is less than two years older than Bundy and just finished up posting a 3.06 FIP in AAA? People are placing way too much emphasis on two reports about his curve not progressing enough.
indeed
We’ll see how fast Bundy moves . . .of course, in this day and age, I wouldn’t be shocked if Bundy pitches like 35 innings this year, with 2 inning outings every 2 weeks.
I really can’t see why anybody would pick now of all times to sell on Teheran. If anything, it’s a great time to buy on him. His arm is awesome, he has an out pitch, and his pitching performance in AAA this year was outstanding.
B+/A- border
Not a huge fan of giving high school pitchers higher than a B+, but could be convinced to do so.
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Straight B.
He stayed healthy and between this last season and the Cape he flashed some quality stuff. Probably more of a #3 type, but there are lots of those in the Bs for me.
B
Disappointed with the reports of his inconsistent velocity.
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Jose Iglesias
Might just be my homerism talking, but I’d give him a low B or high B-. Elite D, and very young for AAA. The wretched ISO is a concern but I think he was victimized by an unlucky BABIP, and the low K-rate is encouraging. I don’t think he’s going to be a star but I still think he could be a very useful player someday.
Still a straight B for me
His defense is just so spectacular… I saw him play 6 times this year and he made at least one sensational “holy ****” play each game. He’s the best defensive SS you’ll see. Probably would be the best in the majors right now. I know his numbers stink, but he legitimately looks solid at the plate.
I’ve mentioned this before, but he was born the same year as Hak-Ju Lee. Lee played most of the season a couple levels below Iglesias (who is super young for his level) & Lee batted .190/.272/.310 in AA. Yet, Lee is getting some A-‘s while Iglesias is getting crossed off. If Iglesias was in A ball I guarantee you he would have hit .300+. He’s absolutely going to hit some. Shows a feel for using the whole field. Has already become much more selective at the plate… Its coming, mark my words. He’s never going to be anything other than a bottom of the order guy… but its still coming.
Not
to sound like a jerk, but if your scouting report is that glowing on him, shouldn’t he be higher than a B. If he can OPS even .650-.700 and be the best defensive SS in the game, then that’d be a 3-4 WAR player, and it seems he could be even better. You seem to be arguing that that is Iglesias’s floor.
To back up my numbers, Alcides Escobar OPS’d .633 and had a WAR of 2.2. Andrus OPS’d .708 and put up a WAR of 4.5. Andrus gets a WAR boost from his baserunning that Jose won’t get, but Jose could possibly make some of that back with his glove, and would get a boost over Escobar with his glove (again referring to your statement – which I agree with).
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If he can OPS even .650-.700 and be the best defensive SS in the game, then that’d be a 3-4 WAR player, and it seems he could be even better. You seem to be arguing that that is Iglesias’s floor.
I’m not arguing that is his floor – that is what I’m projecting for him.
His numbers were so poor this year that his chances of reaching my projection/my confidence in my projection have slipped some. I do think he’ll be a better player than Alcides Escobar.
Okay
thanks for the clarification. That makes perfect sense.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Alcides could at least hit respectably in the minors
a .797 OPS, .369 wOBA in AA as a 21 year old, and a .762 OPS. .351 wOBA in AAA as a 22 year old. Do you think Jose could have put up a .750 OPS in AA this year, or a .725 in AAA repeating next year? I don’t see it happening, but I could be wrong. I mean, his MLE triple slash is .209/.249/.238 in Fenway – that would be one of the worst seasons ever, and no defense can make up for that.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 4, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
Not impressed with his bat, no matter how great he can field. Bumped him up to a B- for his youth, but he better hit next year, or he is a C+.
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Solid B
A+ on Defense
Red Sox fans are dumb for expecting anything more than league average from his bat. If he can hit 270 with 5 homers I would be happy with him as a B
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B-
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B/B-
Still looks like a Omar Vizquel clone. The part that I dislike about him is the fact that he’s making 2m/yr for the next several years, of course he’s in the right market to make that a moot point. He’s a great addition to a team without any offensive holes, stash him at the bottom of the lineup (like Omar, he seems to have the makings of a great contact hitter) and let him earn his keep with the bat doing the small things right.
I’d take him over the type of SS that has 15 hr pop to go with a poor obp (& lot’s of K’s) that also leaves a lot to be desired defensively.
With the Sox history at SS post-Nomar, around 90-100m spent on Renteria, Lugo & Scutaro – would hope they could live with what Iglesias has to offer AND be happy with it. Pedroia is exactly the type of 2b you’d want to pair him with up the middle. Replace him with a league average 2b and the combo would leave a lot to be desired.
Eddie Rosario
Great numbers this year. I think he’s a B for now.
A-
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but no one in short-season ball should be getting A-.
This part, I disagree with. Where a player has played doesn’t mandate what grade I am willing to give.
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The way Sickels explains his grades, a grade should go up as a player establishes himself at higher levels. That means there has to be room for the grade to go up.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Sickels give an A to a player in short season ball. Maybe to a draftee who we all knew would debut in a full-season league, but not someone in short season.
High school ball is below short-season
So to knock a guy solely for being a short season player, to be consistent, you’d have to do the same to the HS draftee.
If Bryce Harper had made a brief debut in the GCL last year would that have precluded him from being given an A grade? If not, then you shouldn’t use that as the basis for argument.
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The way Sickels explains his grades, a grade should go up as a player establishes himself at higher levels
the fact that he gave Harper an A grade in the SALLY disproves this.
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B/A-
I think he’s mid rotation with chance to headline a staff
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B - high end
Same grade I gave him last year.
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Not as high on him as last year – K’s going up, power not progressing.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 4, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm
i’m starting to come down on him a bit more
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B
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B
for now. not sure what to make him completely.
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B
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B-.
Perhaps a high B-. I can sort of buy B, but reports out of MWL weren’t that great.
they weren't?
Spangenberg was ranked No. 13 in the BA Midwest League Top 20, FYI.
B
High Floor and ETA should be soon.
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B
I’m thinking Mark Loretta with a little speed.
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I’d say that if Cory Spangenberg ended up with Mark Loretta’s career he’d be doing very well but I think they’re somewhat different as Spangenberg figures to bring a lot more speed to the party than Mark ever did (as you mention). A fast, LH hitting Loretta – who had a decade plus career & a couple of AS appearances – would be a nice (& probably somewhat high end)outcome though, right?
B
A Mark Loretta type disciplined bat, but IMO, the speed difference gives him a much more dynamic overall makeup. Loretta reached double digit in SB’s only once in the majors or minors (10), reached 30 doubles three times in his long career. My thinking is the speed could give him a better shot at reaching that 2b plateau while having the additional benefits on the basepath’s. Too early to tell if has more defensive upside. Obviously Loretta played SS as well as 2b, but he was average overall.
Might be a B+ after playing a full season in 2012.
B
High floor and a decent amount of upside. No reason he can’t develop into a solid defensive 2B. If that ends up being the case he’s got the bat/speed combination to be a borderline all star.
I think the Mark Loretta with more speed comp might be a fair one. The speed combined with Loretta-ish BB/K rates should make for a very good second baseman.
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B/B+
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B/B+
I think he’d settle into the latter for me once he gets more experience. Love me some Spangenberg.
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Why?
His legs carry him quite well too. I saw him about half-a-dozen times this year. The athleticism and speed are exactly what you’d expect from an SEC running back (which he was bought out of becoming).
Played some RF for Lowell
Only LF defensively in the SAL though.
I think LF is his most likely landing spot though, yeah.
BA’s report: “Defensively, he profiles as a left fielder with his fringy speed and average arm.” I don’t contest the report on his arm, but the only way I can see his speed as fringy is if they mean fringe for CF. He should be a plus defender in LF and contributes power and aggressive speed on offense. The only question I have is whether he can continue cutting down the Ks.
I'm assuming that BA is using the 20-80 scale
Which most likely means that they consider his speed to be fringe-average, so somewhere in the 45-50 range.
I agree with you
Yes, Brandon Jacobs is more athletic than given credit for (didn’t see him this year, but last). Tailbacks in the SEC West can usually run a little bit too, true.
While he’s almost certainly a LF, I think he has the opportunity to be very good defensively there.
Probably wasn't going to end up at RB at Auburn
He was only their 4th best RB recruit that season and ranked just 60th overall in the nation per Rivals. Definitely a very good athlete though.
6'1 225 at age 20
He’s pretty good now, sure, but my worry is that he fills out/thickens up/slows down a little and then he’s not any kind of asset in the OF.
Also, more concerning is his 123 Ks in 115 games.
He was a RB/linebacker, btw… and he looks more linebacker to me!
ahhhh you can call it that yes....
pretty much the most debated prospect around here the last month or so…
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2011 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
B at worst
already a league average catcher and showed a hell of a lot more aptitude with the stick than i thought he would.
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I'll +1 on this
There really aren’t that many guys who can play quality defense behind the plate AND provide some value on offense as well.
but he really seemed to come out of nowhere, so who knows if he can keep it up
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Jaff Decker
This guy had a weird year. Really hot early, and ended the year well, but had a real struggle in the middle of the season. Still, he was only 21 in AA, and led the Texas League with 103 walks. .373 OBP, 19 HR, 15 SB all are promising. The .236 ave and 145 Ks not so much.
I am probably thinking middle-to-high B, but interested to see what others think.
B+/A-
His defense will prove worthy of league average; and his bat is better than the numbers. I see Decker as a solid everyday player with a chance at some ASG
by johnnycomelately9 on Oct 5, 2011 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions
His defense will prove worthy of league average
in Petco?? how might you prove this?
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 6, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
B
Think he’s got a huge ceiling but I could see him not working out. Really weird year.
B- until he cuts the strikeouts and improves the average.
Then potentially a B+
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B
With some tweaks to his approach he could be a monster. I think the most probable outcome is similar to Nick Swisher with more strike outs and more speed. Though he’s got a pretty decent chance to be better than that.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 7, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
I like his chances of bumping that back up to a B+ next year. To fully grasp his up & down year:
April – .316/.449/.759
May – .170/.333/.260
June – .276/.458/.414
July – .176/.286/.269
August -.275/.368/.471
September – .200/.320/.400
You can imagine how ugly the overall line would look from May on. The average texas league lie was . 265/.337/.410 with an average age of 24, giving the 21 year old Decker an ops+ of 112 for the year. The good news is he had over 600 PA’s, the results weren’t what was expected of him, but he stayed healthy for the entire year which was something he had yet to do. I’d like to see him spend a good chunk of next year back at AA with a promotion to Tucsan no sooner then July. The talk of him being a possible 2012 call up is too quick for my blood, especially with Blanks and Darnell already battling for playing time in LF. I’d prefer he stay in the minors until June 2013 before ever getting the call, and hopefully with another 800 PA’s under his belt. IMO that’s the best route for him to suceed when he’s called up.
I think he’ll be able to handle LF fine. Or for example purposes I think he’s got a good deal more defensive value then a Jack Cust type. Have seen videos of him running the bases and was impressed enough with his speed, to go with a strong arm (hit 90 in HS) that I think he should make him a capable LF at Petco. Doesn’t mean they’ll be able to put Blanks in RF and be peachy, they’ll need a second above average defender out there to make it work.
The best part about the prospect of Decker IMO is the shedding of a good deal of his baby fat that he had in previous years. He’s short and stocky, but the body has improved versus the alternative which bodes well for him developing into a big leaguer down the road. Think he has 30 hr/.400 obp potentialin his prime.
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solid B- (could be way higher next year)
B
Not much to this grade . . .he’s got a good arm but will need to answer some questions about command before he goes from a good prospect to a great prospect.
A-
It’s going to be very interesting to see what he does next year once he’s no longer coasting to protect his draft slot.
Huh?
I’m not saying you are wrong, I just don’t understand exactly what you are saying.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm very skeptical that Cole was going full effort this year
The only way he could have possibly lost out on his huge bonus payday was by getting hurt.
Okay
that’s what I thought you were saying. I’d never heard that. I’m not sure if I’d hope that’s true (explains the numbers – talent disparity; but brings into question his character/makeup etc.) or not.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Character
might be a strong word to use, but at least his competitive drive.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
A
My fav pitching prospect after Matt Moore
by johnnycomelately9 on Oct 5, 2011 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions
B+
maybe A-. i’m still not entirely convinced on his health.
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B+
I’m probably biased as a Pirates fan, but dropping to 6? The shoulder scares the crap out of me. He’s an elite 3B if he plays gold glove 3B. He’s an average to above-average 1B if he has to go there.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I just agree with John on this one
A+ should remain the “mythical beast” grade. A once in a lifetime type guy might get it, but it shouldn’t be given out easily
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B
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B+
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll go B+ on him
It might take him a couple of years to figure things out, but he’s got “holy crap” caliber bat speed. Can’t teach that, especially out of a middle infielder. Reminds me a little of Rickie Weeks.
B
I know some folks here have said B-, and I’ve got nothing to argue against that. The offensive upside seems intriguing enough to go with a B, though. He’ll probably be given a year to play short, but at some point, I still expect him to move to a corner role.
C+/B-
Hated this pick for the Cubs.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
B+/A-
I’m a big believer in Springer.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
i don’t buy him as a top starter. #3 upside for me.
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by Noah McKinnie Braun on Oct 4, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
call me skeptical i guess. power is great but not sure i buy the bat. and at 1B, maybe DH…
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B+
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Leaning B+
But I may downgrade him to a B.
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I think he's likely a B
Feels like a No. 3 starter to me at the end of the day.
Still going B-
Control still a huge issue (5.1 BB/9 in AAA). Going to be 24 yo. Argued last year that I don’t think you can fix the command here… still think thats the case and still think I’d put him in the pen.
yeah it seems like he's destined for the 'pen because of his walk issues
B- although high end
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 7, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
A
Easy
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
B
But trending towards a B+, mostly because I am way more confident of him being a solid major leaguer than I am with a lot of these guys. He seems like a new Tom Brunansky for the Twins.
B -
wow , keep in mind ladies and gents, Mr Sickles had him at C+ each of the last 2 years.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
As you get close to the majors, a C+ is a bench player and a B is a regular, and an A is a star.
Considering what Benson did this year, it’s not unreasonable to say he’s a probable regular.
He isn't anything more than a #3 OF most years...
granted he can play all 3 spots well though.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
B
Doesn’t really strike me as a top of the rotation type, but he’s got a couple of solid offerings and throws lots of strikes. That counts for something.
also
Can we add “assume he is pitching in a neutral stadium” to this guy? I don’t mean to belabor this point, but the home park doesn’t matter to prospect value at all. Fantasy value, sure. But we know the effects of a player’s environment and the defense that they pitch in front of . . .we can figure out how good they REALLY are. So can the major league organizations.
B+
might not have the great stuff of a TOR guy, but pitching in petco will sure help, especially as a fly-ball pitcher
by Noah McKinnie Braun on Oct 4, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He's in this thread thrice but..... B+
i really like him
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Solid B, nothing wrong with that.
I know we can’t factor in Petco, but he’ll have a B+ career there.
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Strong B/lower B+
His success this year was very impressive, AA bats hit .225/.274/.299 off him. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being more then ‘just’ a #3
B
I’m curious to know where people that graded him B+ rank him in the Padres system. I like him, but have him ranked 10th in the system.
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B-
Maybe I’m still holding onto what I saw last August, but I just can’t bring myself any higher.
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B-
and I think that’s generous. He’s the Pirates prospect I think I’m the lowest on.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
Tekotte really impressed me this year . . .the tools don’t jump out at you, but they’re solid, and he is a very heady player.
That said, he was 24 this year, and his window to earn a starting job is quite narrow. I’m not sure he’ll be able to do it in San Diego, where the OF situation is already crowded, and James Darnell will likely be pressing for a major league job as well.
I think he has a chance to be a starting OF (probably CF as his defense is quite good), but it’s very possible that he’s going to turn into a 4th OF type more through circumstance than through his own doing.
C+/B-
I like him for all the reasons you mentioned, but I just don’t see big league power in him. That as much as anything probably relegates him to 4th OF status.
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C+
At least 5 OF prospects better than Tekotte in pads system (maybe 10). He’ll be best served if he gets traded. Could be the 4th or 5th guy for them next year. Depends if they non tender Dinorfia and Venable.
by johnnycomelately9 on Oct 5, 2011 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions
how does somebody who seems to know so much about Padres prospects, know so little about Padres prospects?
I was going to respond to several different individual posts that were way off in left field . . .then I realized they were all yours.
Like
Jurickson Profar graded as a B, but Jaff Decker as a B+/A-? Hey, he’s entitled to his own opinion.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
C+
I’m not sure I’d call Tekotte a top-five Padre outfield prospect. Liriano, Fuentes, Tate, Decker, Darnell (likely LF), and Yoan Alcantara, the #1 prospect in the AZL who out hit prospects like Liriano, Decker, Blanks from years past at the level while stirking out half as often, would be outfielders in the organization I’m higher on, in no particular order.
With all the strikeouts, not sure Tekotte projects as a top of the lineup type. Don’t really buy that his bat projects as a prototypical #6 hitter. Start sloting him lower then that and think that gives a clear picture of his potential value as well as his limitations. Fuentes needs to cut down on the strkeouts as well, but he’s close to four years younger then Tekotte while being one level behind him, which I think bodes well of him doing that.
I might take Luis Domoromo over Tekotte as well. So that puts him as 7th or 8th on my personal Padre outfield prospect list. Obviously the ‘maybe 10 better’ bit was a stretch, but no I wouldn’t call him a top-5 outfield prospect either.
I’d probably look to trade Tekotte this off-season.
not sure what the organization has to do with it
Grades aren’t relative to the other players in the system, so the “top five outfield prospect in the system” thing is irrelevant. Half the guys you listed aren’t likely to pose any sort of meaningful competition for OF jobs in the near future. Darnell and Decker don’t offer the same defensive value.
Huh?
I thought the basis of your point was that you disagreed that there were 5 better OF prospects in the organization, considering that was the comment you chose to respond to versus some of the others. If you agree with that then I simply misundertood your position. I sure don’t agree that Decker is a A- prospect or that Liriano is a better hitter then Trout (sorry if I’m combining posters), but the basis of this one point had merit IMO. I could buy Tekotte as a B- as you ranked him (compared to my C+), doesn’t change the fact that he wouldn’t be one of the top 5 OF’s in the system in my pecking order.
Without Maybin in the picture Tekotte would be my starter in CF in ‘12, strikeouts be damned. Since that isn’t the case sums up why I’d dangle his name in trade talks. Not in love with him as a backup considering one of the club’s biggest shortcomings is their awful striking out ways. A guy like Dan Robertson is probably a better fit in that role for a team calling Petco home. Think they could get value for him via trade, so it comes down to a preference of resources.
For what it’s worth, I’d give up Liriano and Decker (& Tekotte) if it meant getting Mike Trout :) Sad that the craziest posts on this bugger of a thread came from a Padre fan(s). I’m just hoping it’s ignorance of youth at hand.
While I got you here I’d enjoy that Erlin read as well.
I think we're on the same page
I disagreed with most of his grades, yes, as all are really too high and scream homerism, that was my main point. I was under the impression that he was adjusting his grade in relation to the OF depth in the San Diego system, which just doesn’t make sense.
I’m really not sure Tekotte’s strikeouts are that big a problem. He does swing hard to maximize his power, but the Ks only really became a problem after he spent time in SD, so maybe he was just a little thrown off. Interesting that you bring up Robertson’s name . . .small guy, very level swing, not much in the way of power numbers but squares up the ball pretty nicely. Not a starting caliber player but not impossible that he works his way into a spot role.
I have every intention of doing the Erlin piece, but probably looking at somewhere in the area of 1.5-2 weeks on that. Going out of town for part of next week and it doesn’t seem likely that I’ll get a chance to make much headway before next Wednesday. Glad to hear that you’re interested in it.
C+
Ideal 4th OF. Like Kupe said he would have the chance to be a starting CF if given the opportunity. Though barring a devastating injury to Maybin that opportunity won’t be coming in San Diego.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 7, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Straight B
He’s usable at catcher now, but still pretty bad there. Bat speed not great. Some power and patience. Pretty useful player, but not a whole lot more here.
This
sums it up for me. Nice piece for the Red Sox to have though. If he can be a league-average or slightly below so for the next 5 years that’s a huge bonus for the Sox considering he’s home grown. Maybe they can go get some pitching instead of worrying about the C position.
I think he can do that, there just isn’t really any upside.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Could be like Napoli
Have some good years, and then bust out.
B+
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
B at absolute best
And even that may be too rich.
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B-
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B-/C+
I have never been on his bandwagon. I don’t see him as a guy who can do anything more than provide league average defense with plus contract, not many walks, and not much power, that’s a fringey starter, at best.
See, for me
He’s at least an average (and maybe above average) defensive second baseman who is going to flirt with batting .300 for most of his career. You can argue about how much power he actually has, whether he’s going to improve his patience, whatever, but if you buy into the hit tool then that’s at least a solid regular isn’t it?
Now, I actually happen to buy into his patience and power improving over time mainly because he has fantastic makeup and I think he will figure out the adjustments he needs to make and he’ll make them. So that’s why I’m leaning toward a weak B+ here… I think his ceiling is higher than he’s been given credit for because he’s just that kind of player who consistently exceeds expectations.
We’re talking about a guy who came over to America a few years ago and made a huge effort to learn English and now at age 21 he’s actually fluent in the language. To do that at the same time as working his ass off in the minors and making it to the majors in those few short years, as a 5-foot-5 low signing bonus no-pedigree international prospect just shows a lot of intelligence and a really impressive work ethic, for me. On top of that really pretty swing and solid all around tools, height excepted.
Maybe I’m putting too much into the character side of things though. Hard not to… Altuve is just really easy to root for.
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yes however 6+ years down the road will he stilll be starting?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
not that I'm looking to tear holes in your impassioned and well-constructed argument, but
I think your argument stood better without turning Altuve into Latino Rudy.
I’m all about work ethic and the sentence construction tool(?), but those are separators from other guys with similar talent levels. These things may certainly distinguish him from minor league players . . .but most everybody has to work hard to make it to and make it in the majors. The ones who don’t are the crazy gifted ones.
I don’t think belief that Altuve is a good pure hitter necessarily equals belief that he is “at least a solid regular”. If you think he’s going to have an empty average against this level of competition, then he may well not be a regular-caliber player at all. Of course, if that’s the case then his makeup may help him stick as a utility guy.
An empty, high batting average wouldn't be valuable at a corner
But it’s solid up the middle. Being about league average offensively, overall (it’s hard not to be if you’re batting close to .300), coupled with above average defensive value, is how I come to “solid regular” here.
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B+
He reminds me of Howie Kendrick, and I could easily see him following the same path. Though Kendrick seems to have sacrificed avg for some power recently…I thought he was for sure gonna be a .300+ hitter in the majors. If Altuve ever hits 18 HR’s I’ll be surprised, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him do a little better in the avg department, and I can see him consistently getting 10-12 HR, .290+ avg, 30+ 2B, and 20+ SB in his prime.
Personally, I think the only thing Howie Kendrick and Jose Altuve have in common is that they both played much of their minor league careers in super hitter friendly parks
I guess their untranslated minor league numbers are tricking people into thinking they profile similarly as offensive players. That’s one of the more far out there comps I’ve heard this year.
I think you're a pompous ass....
it’s a pretty simple comp….decent avg, low walk totals, some steals, some pop….
Christ, your response oozed dickishness….
I'm sorry you feel that way
It wasn’t my intent to irritate or embarrass you. I just don’t understand why I keep seeing this comp and disagree with it.
again....
Your choice of words are completely insulting…
Us dupes are being “tricked” into making outlandish comps, and you apologize for “embarassing me”.
I’m fine with disagreement, but drop the subtle insults….subtle enough to go right over nixa37’s head…
and to address your criticism...
if I had just stated this from the beginning…
“decent avg, low walk totals, some steals, some pop….”
nobody would have disagreed….and Kendrick through his first five seasons fit that exact same description…
Now it’s true that Altuve will probably never match Kendrick’s level of blackness, but not all of us are so shallow with our comps…
Dude there was nothing insulting about his initial post
He disagreed with the comp (and as he mentioned you’re not the only one to make it) and explained why he disagreed. During his explanation he mentioned why people might be “tricked” into thinking they profile similarly. Not really sure how that’s insulting.
Here's some advice:
Take a chill pill and accept what was meant to be a sincere apology.
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I apologize for overreacting...
When people make subtly assholish comments with no substance, I often assume that they are doing it on purpose, and I react as such. I sometimes just need to relax and accept the fact that some people talk in an assholish manner without realizing it. It was, after all, one of the most poorly written apologies I’ve seen all year. And again, I’m sorry for insinuating that it was reflective of your personality.
You might actually be a nice guy in person….so again….the apologies are all mine…
But it’s good to know there are no hard feelings either way….
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I’ll apologize again as well… you’re probably right, I was a little short initially… just feel like Ive had this conversation about 5 times already around here. I carried that over to your conversation and I shouldn’t have.
thanks....and I apologize for my snide remarks too....
I didn’t realize this issue had been rubbed a little raw in the past…
Should we hug now? :)
Two people rec'd this? Am I missing something?
I was never good at math but using “assholish” twice made this apology sound half-hearted to me……or should that be half-assed?
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 14, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
B
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B-
The season was sooooo bad. Can’t go higher than a B-. I hope he bounces back (for obvious reasons).
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
maybe a B later on when healthy
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Robbie Grossman
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Gerrit Cole
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry
this one was done above.
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B-
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Fail.
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B-
Word is he’s taking his career more seriously, working hard and finished the year strong.
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B-
I keep wanting to drop him way down my list of top Padres prospects, but every time I ask myself would I trade Tate straight up for player X the answer is often no. So while the series of frustrating injuries and questionable decisions have dropped his stock, that stock is still pretty high. Still a very high ceiling, but low chance of reaching it.
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Matt Purke
A potentially interesting one.
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A very volatile B-
He could be a top 25 prospect next year, or his stock could fall even further.
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B
Little power, bad BB/K ratio, but premium position and crazy speed.
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C+
don’t buy the hit tool at all.
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Oh, tough one
I like the improvement he showed over the season, and the speed is an impact tool… I think he squeaks into a B from me. I think he can be a Michael Bourn type player but as a SS or 2B instead of a center fielder.
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B-
The fact that he managed a mere .340 obp in A ball with his blazing speed really bothers me. He also showed practically no power and struck out in 21.8% of his plate appearances, which is not a good combination. With his speed he’d obviously be useful with only moderate improvement, but I’m extremely skeptical about the bat.
B+/A-
loads of potential, but still raw.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 4, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
C
Was impressed by the numbers; watched him pitch in the majors and I don’t think he’ll make it.
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C+
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B+
Might downgrade him when I get around to doing my prospect work, but I’m a pretty big fan.
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B-
with room for more, but hasn’t shown it yet IMO
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
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Preseason B from John, 4 stars from KG. 43rd on KG’s midseason list.
B-.
If he does this in AA next year, maybe I’ll change my mind, but I’m still concerned how that bat plays in the upper levels.
Marco Hernandez
I’m actually mildly curious what people here think about him. He went under the radar for a huge chunk of the year, outside of Cubs fans. That said, late in the year, along with the recent BA league rankings, may be pushing him forward a bit.
Just turned 19 (early September). Has the range and smooth hands to stick at short. Several reports have noted a good arm, but there was one guy who seemed to suggest it might be a question long term. Had good numbers in Arizona, was viewed as having an above average or better hit tool, and there’s some power potential. Approach is viewed as solid right now. There’s some physical projection, enough to hope for that power potential, but not enough to be really concerned, as of now, that he might grow himself out of short.
The Cubs don’t really have anyone blocking him that half-step up (Boise wasn’t exactly strong with shortstop talent this year) … unless Baez stays at short.
Anyhow, I’m thinking B- or C+.
C+ for now
will be interested to see what he does next year.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 5, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
so, I have a question then
What exactly makes Lindor a B and Hernandez a C+ (You gave Lindor a B above)? Age shouldn’t be much of a factor here – Lindor is one year younger, but Hernandez should be one level ahead of him (if not more) to start 2012.
This isn’t meant to bash Lindor (who I would, first instinct, say B as well). That said, been contemplating it the past 2 days, and I can’t see anything that would warrant a notable gap b/w the two relative to their skills/tools. Both are viewed as having above average to plus hit tools, as of now. Both are viewed as having good approaches at the plate, as of now, with good judgment of the strike zone. Both have average power projection, with 15 HR power potential listed for both guys before.
If you believe BA’s writeup on Marco Hernandez, then that should be a potential plus defensive shortstop, which jibes with the reports on Lindor (about the only question I have on Marco is his arm strength, but that’s only because a notable Cubs prospect follower once suggested it was average, or something like that, but BA noted it was plus arm strength but accuracy questions, which many young shortstops in the low minors have). Hernandez was noted by BA for having plus speed (but his baserunning instincts/skill is still a work in progress). Physically, he’s got a bit more projection than Lindor. Both guys are noted for having above average to good bat speed.
Again, I am not bashing Lindor. I think a B is fair for him. And I’ll be the first to say, two days ago, I was thinking C+/B- for Marco … but the more I think about it, I just don’t see a reason why it shouldn’t be a B. So, I’m curious why you have the gap b/w the two.
Not
trying to ignore this. I’ll think it about it more and get back to you. My immediate reaction is that seems to be a very generous assessment of Hernandez.
You said he had an average to plus hit tool. That’s a 50-60. I’ll average that out to 55.
Average power projection. That’s a 50.
Plus defense is a 60.
Plus arm strength, if the accuracy pans out is another 60.
Plus speed is a 60.
If you add in his good approach and strike zone judgment that’s not a B prospect. That describes Jurickson Profar fairly well. Profar is an A prospect not a B prospect. Maybe not quite as good Profar, but pretty close.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 6, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
as a side note
I said above average to plus, as of now, largely because I’m usually wary of any scouting reports for players in HS (like a Lindor) or the low levels of the minors (so this isn’t to say I think Marco will definitely be that good, but rather, a comparison of the Lindor/Hernandez reports I’ve seen seem fairly similar).
But my point was that the scouting reports on the two guys (Lindor, not Profar, whose tools are more polished) are actually fairly similar across the board. There’s small issues here and there (someone has suggested Lindor has elite bat speed, so maybe he has an edge there (although the clips I’ve seen, I’m not so sure if he has such off the charts bat speed); physically, Hernandez has more projection left).
Anyhow, read the write-ups and comments on BA on Hernandez if you can. I actually didn’t think he had legit plus speed, but they said plus speed. They note good defensive range, plus arm (but accuracy issues, but then again, a lot of young SS’s in the low minors have accuracy issues). The arm’s something I’m going to keep an eye on, as I’ve noted before. So, I sort of extrapolated from that that there’s potential plus defense, but I guess I don’t recall them specifically saying anything like that.
But everything else has all been from public reports. It isn’t me going to games and giving you an assessment – I’ll do that at times, but if I go to Arizona … well, I got other places to go.
Anyhow, thanks for the response. It certainly is possible that a lot of these reports are overblown, and there’s too many cases of guys, prep or foreign, not having anywhere near their scouting reports ability. I’m just wondering, and I think all of us have a tendency to do it at times, if there’s a case of draft pick bias at play. I’m certain we could go through all the systems and have comparable discussions, but it’s just that I’m a Cubs fan and know the Cubs system better.
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more in generalities, it’s certainly possible, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a “draft pick bias”, as you put it.
It probably comes from a few sources. First is the typical shiny new toy syndrome. Dylan Bundy is more exciting at this point than Jacob Turner, Jameson Taillon, and Shelby Miller. Most people will grade them similarly, and rightfully so in my opinion, but Bundy hasn’t done anything wrong yet or failed at all yet, so there’s hope he can go out and strikeout more than two batters and inning with a whip well under 1.00 etc.
Second is simply familiarity. Everyone on this board is way more familiar with Lindor than Hernandez (I’d never even heard of Hernandez before this discussion). It’s natural to assume the person you’ve heard of is better. Now, on that same note, I feel like there is some legitimacy behind that line of reasoning. The fact that Lindor was scrutinized by every baseball team and every independent source out there and then was deemed to be a first round pick does speak to his talent and prospect status. Again, since I’ve never heard of Hernandez, I’m assuming his bonus wasn’t substantial on the level that he could/would have been considered equivalent to a first round talent. Furthermore, while his stats and scouting reports have been positive, they have not been mind-blowing (by my estimation, which is admittedly woefully uneducated in this area) since then. Therefore, I’m not sure if it would make sense to evaluate them as similar at this time.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 6, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
bias
Draft pick bias does occur at times, but trying to talk oneself up into the counter-reaction of thinking that Marco Hernandez = Francisco Lindor at this point . . .that’s reaching more than a little.
so tell me
What’s the difference in the scouting reports then? I can’t seem to find it. And while McCutchen notes a fair point in familiarity (and the implied argument, which is fair, is that the more familiar you fare with someone, the more likely that the scouting reports are accurate), a player in pro ball has a ton of eyes on him. I mean, the one time I attended an Arizona game, a buddy of mine was pointing out scouts left and right.
So … what’s the difference b/w Hernandez and Lindor, since you seem so definite in your response about things.
so one Lindor pre-draft scouting report
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Lindor, a high school shortstop in Florida, has the chance to be an impact player on both sides of the ball at a premium position. He’ll definitely be able to stay at shortstop with plus defense, showing outstanding range and a strong arm. At the plate, he’s gotten stronger and he could grow into enough power to hit 15 or so homers annually, enough to keep pitchers honest, along with hitting .290-.300 every year.
While he’s a solid average runner, he could be a potential leadoff hitter in the future, thanks to his strike-zone knowledge and willingness to take a walk to go along with his ability to swing the bat from both sides of the plate.
Lindor is a high-energy player with good makeup, one who is almost certainly the top high school position player, according to talent, in this Draft class.
Speed – If BA is to be believed, edge is to Hernandez.
Hit tool – Both are viewed as possible above average to plus hit tool guys.
Approach/strike zone judgment – Fine for both. Hernandez is still learning switch-hitting, so he’s raw on the right side.
Power – Both have had 15 HR potential slapped onto him.
Bat speed – both are viewed as above average to good.
Arm strength is a major debate for me right now, as the Cubs guys is pretty adamant it’s not plus, but BA does have it listed as plus. So maybe the argument is that Lindor has better range? But even that’s debatable at the moment, because one thing most reports on Hernandez is that he has the range and instincts to play short. That said, if we take the pg report on Lindor, he might not have a plus arm either. http://www.perfectgame.org/articles/View.aspx?article=5692
SCOUTING PROFILE: Lindor was born and raised in Puerto Rico, first in Caguas, then in Toa Baja, where he played in the same youth-league program as fellow Florida high-school star and potential 2011 first-round pick Javier Baez. Lindor moved from Puerto Rico to the Orlando area in 2006. A year younger than most 2011 high-school drafts (he won’t turn 18 until mid-November), Lindor burst on the prospect map at the 2008 World Wood Bat Association Underclass World Championship in the most unlikely of ways. A skinny, then 14-year old, playing against some of the best 16-17-year olds in the country, he blasted a couple of home runs and drove balls for extra-base hits consistently from both sides of the plate. That power display, which he has continued to build on over the last three years, is what separates Lindor from the conventional top shortstop prospects. He isn’t a blazing runner, with a 6.78 in the 60 the fastest recorded time by Perfect Game scouts, although his first-step quickness and exceptional balance give him above-average range at shortstop. Nor does Lindor have a cannon for an arm, but his lightning-quick release and advanced footwork enable him to make all the plays that a stronger-armed player may not always make. The combination of all those attributes makes Lindor one of the few high-school shortstops that isn’t shadowed by questions about what position he will play at the major-league level. But the separator for Lindor is the bat. While a prototypical 5-foot-11, 170-pound 17-year-old middle infielder might be expected to be a contact hitter who needs to gain strength to compete offensively with a wood bat, Lindor’s quick, strong hands and overall hitting approach make him an exception. He has above-average bat speed from both sides of the plate and legitimate extra-base power. Lindor put an exclamation point on his offensive potential by winning the home-run hitting contest at the 2010 Aflac All-American Game. He enjoyed an outstanding senior season at Montverde Academy, both offensively and defensively, and gained a lot of notoriety Feb. 18 when his team matched up against Baez (Arlington Country Day HS, Jacksonville) in one of the most heavily-scouted games of the 2011 season. It cemented his status as a top-half of the first-round talent. In the unlikely event that Lindor doesn’t turn professional this summer, he has a scholarship to Florida State to fall back on.
I have no qualms with Lindor as a B here. That’s what I had it. I also am not saying that I believe Marco will turn out as good as the reports on him have suggested. What I am saying is that, when a guy is in full-season ball, the issue of familiarity shouldn’t be as big anymore (and you seem to attend games, you ought to know that the stands are littered with scouts), so if the scouting reports are similar … what is the rationale for a gap between the two.
All that said, I actually haven’t seen you state a grade on Hernandez, so maybe you have them close, for all I know, although your comment suggests otherwise. Instead of hyperbolic commentary, though, can you tell me what the argument is for Lindor to be that much ahead of Hernandez grade wise?
B+ on Lindor, probably B- on Hernandez . . .brief response
I slightly prefer Lindor’s bat, I think the power projection is somewhat understated. He should hit 15-20 HRs/year, but with lots of XBHs.
I greatly prefer Lindor’s glove. He should not only be a true shortstop but a plus one at that. Not concerned about his arm – I think the point is that he’s not Shawn Dunston on there, not that he can’t make his throws. I’m skeptical that Hernandez will be a true shortstop.
Also, I wrote two sentences, hard to call my response “hyperbolic”.
wasn't the right word choice
but there’s no edit function here and I decided to not to tag another comment on it. Although your last comment in that first post was ridiculous considering I presented an argument for discussion.
So … 15 HR with XBH’s? That’s what BA has said about Hernandez at this point.
So, what’s the argument against Hernandez sticking at short then? I haven’t seen him play. Have you? If not, then we’re basing it on scouting reports, and the scouting reports are fairly similar across the board. If so, what did you see to suggest Hernandez can’t stick at short? Furthermore, what’s the rationale for overlooking the negative points that PG points out (doesn’t have plus range or arm, and is based solely on his quick reactions at short, but that assumes that physical maturation doesn’t impact athletic agility)?
I said I "slightly" prefer his bat
It’s pretty close offensively. Personally I think Lindor can exceed the figure that i gave (I’m bullish on his power projection). I’ve said this before, but I think there’s a little Rickie Weeks in him, bat not quite as fast but much better glove.
I didn’t overlook what Perfect Game said at all about Lindor. The report you posted said he “doesn’t have a cannon” for an arm. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a plus arm, and their report even says he has above-average range at shortstop.I think you’re reading too much into the things that you’re clearly trying to read into. The report is actually very positive about his defensive capabilities across the board. What part of it sounds negative to you?
I can believe that Hernandez’s range is acceptable for now, but I’m not encouraged by reports about his arm, whether it’s arm strength or accuracy or whatever. Accuracy probably means a footwork issue . . .but of course, if we’re comparing him to Lindor, Lindor actually gets tons of praise for his defensive polish, including his footwork. If it’s arm strength that’s the issue, that obviously would be more problematic.
I don’t think anything that I’m saying here is ill-founded. You seem to have taken great offense at the idea that a relatively unheralded international signing isn’t quite the equal right now of the 8th overall pick in an absolutely loaded MLB draft.
as a total side note
hyperbolic doesn’t need to reference length or breadth of a statement, although as noted, wrong word choice on my part as well.
you know what
No need to respond. I have a feeling that this would go in circles debating to some extent, the veracity of certain, scouting reports, or some issue about frame analysis, which is more guesswork than science, and this thread is insanely long enough already that there’s no point in making it that much harder for folks. I’m sure there will be a Cubs post at some point, so I’ll include this in that discussion then.
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of Scouting the Sally and fangraphs said a scout he really trusts said Lindor was going to be great (I am paraphrasing, but it was a very positive note I recall). This same scout told Newman this spring that Matusz had lost it.
Lindor seems to be a bit polarizing
I have seen a number of very skeptical opinions on him, but he looks like an excellent prospect in the making from over here. It’s not easy to find a middle infielder with this kind of across-the-board package.
like I noted below, though
and btw, thanks for a fair, and thought out response, but a player being in any level of full-season ball stateside will have a ton of eyeballs on them. Games in the east coast, west coast, in the plains, arizona, and everywhere in affiliated pro ball have a ton of scouts at them from all the organizations. So the picture it paints should be … okay.
Hernandez, was, off the top, a 6 figure bonus btw. I think it was low 6 figures, though. That said, Starlin Castro was a 50K bonus, and the Cubs paid a crapload to land Kyung-Min Na (high 6 figures), and Na looks like a guy who won’t get that far up the system.
oh, as a side note
But I asked the Cubs guy who posts online and is in Arizona, and he is adamant that Marco doesn’t have plus arm strength, but I noted my concern with BA’s report on his arm strength earlier. Says he thinks Marco has enough to play short, but he questioned the plus arm strength.
Agree with what McCutchen said here
Definitely could be draft bias, but the increased knowledge/exposure of Lindor has to count for something.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 7, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
may have to doublecheck power projection
I swore I read average once, or 15 HR power as his ceiling, but I can’t find anything in a quick glance right now.
nvm
I found where I saw the 15 HR projection, which was from Bill Mitchell in the AZL chat. It’s fair to say that 15 HR power is probably average power projection.
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B-
I think he’s got a shot to be a useful end of the rotation arm in the bigs, and he had a stellar year in AAA, but it’s hard for me to go higher for a guy who’s ceiling seems a bit limited, to say the least.
B
love the walks and k’s, but already 24. Interested to see how he does in the rotation next year.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 5, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not so much that he's 24, but that none of his pitches profile as plus
and it’s not like he has strong GB tendencies. Lack of a plus arsenal + lots of flyballs = back of rotation starter? If he can figure everything out, he could throw together a couple seasons like the one Doug Fister just had, but I seriously doubt he ever puts up something like that.
He’ll probably always strike out 5-6 per 9 due to his plus command, and he’ll probably walk 1-2 batters per 9 due to his plus control. The real key for him will be limiting the HRs, and if he can do that, he could be a good mid rotation guy.
B-/C+
Jean Segura
B+/B
The injury put a damper on what could have been a solid campaign, strengthened by his move to SS.
B
Its a one step forward, one step back kind of thing. But I’ll say it was more like 1.2 steps back, dropping him a hair from B+ to B
by Angelsjunky7 on Oct 10, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ronald Torreyes
B?
Maybe a little aggressive, but he caught my eye last year and did nothing but impress in his first full season action.
Domingo Santana
B-
If anything, his post trade numbers should earn him a little more than the standard C+…
A great example of his athleticism
Shot at AFL in 2009.
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by slacker george on Oct 8, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
JD Martinez
B+
Too aggressive? His debut seemed B+ worthy. He reminds me of Hunter Pence….I don’t know why….maybe it’s their similar numbers, or similar skillsets, or that they both have unique hitch to their swings….or maybe it’s the color of their jerseys…
I agree with the Hunter Pence comparison offensively by the way
I think he provides a bit less defensive value. Pence has above average speed, giving Martinez a 45 grade would be pretty generous.
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Joe Wieland
B+/A-
I thought he was the best pitcher in the Texas League.
by johnnycomelately9 on Oct 5, 2011 5:40 AM EDT reply actions
B+
i really like him, seems more than most
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 5, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Pedro Alvarez
Fits into the “young and unproven” major leaguer category, emphasis on the “unproven”
Should be an interesting discussion
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 9:47 AM EDT reply actions
B/B+ for me, leaning towards the B
So much talent, but such a glaring hole in his swing.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
B
And you may even be able to argue lower. He should be playing first base already, and whether he will make enough contact for the power to shine through is a serious question right now.
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Very
serious question, ugh. Would he even be a top 100 prospect right now? A 1B with serious contact issues, even with the immense power. So disappointing.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
Potential, yeah. But his unwillingness to go to winter ball when the organization asked him to is a red flag for me. This is a guy with issues with his swing, his defense and his body. If he’s going to be successful, he’s going to have to work.
Solid
point. I had somehow forgotten about that. I wouldn’t say it’s a huge red flag for me but it’s irritating and a definite negative.
Hopefully he bounces back and has a solid year next year, but that’s a long, hard road ahead of him.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
maybe “B” … I would think BA has him at least this
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
B
He looks like Howie Kendrick part 2. Let’s hope he develops some plate discipline
by Angelsjunky7 on Oct 10, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
B+
If his power surge is real, and the rest of his game is as advertised, he could really be something special.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
Woah
bro. Relax. I know everyone isn’t all on Jarrod Parker’s jock like you are but it’s gonna be okay.
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A- for me.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
bro. Relax. I know everyone isn’t all on Andrew McCutchen’s jock like you are but it’s gonna be okay.
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by iam2asian4u on Oct 5, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're
so clever.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Asian = clever
is a pretty big assumption bro.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 6, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh
that’s clever. +1
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
bro someone has to put an end to it
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B/B+ border
BB’s still worry me, but showed improvement after trade, so could end up a B+ for me.
by cookiedabookie on Oct 5, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Enny Romero
Not sure how much the organization should factor into this but I think the Rays should get the most out of this guy. Can’t go higher than a B because he’s still kind of raw, but I really like him.
B
Had an outstanding season in AA Tulsa but K’s and hitting against lefties were a problem.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Oct 6, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
C+
He showed some flashes that make me think he could be a good RP.
by auclairkeithbc on Oct 5, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
A-
Alonso showed two things this summer. First, that he is a 3 or 4 hole hitter in the majors. Ave, OBP and Power. Second, that he is ready to play any position he is asked if it gets him in the lineup. Either through a trade or a move to 3b, he’s going to be a force, and soon.
"he is ready to play any position he is asked if it gets him in the lineup"
This may be true, but he won’t play that position very well. I have him as a league average defensive 1B at best, and below average anywhere else on the diamond.
no contest
hence why I didn’t say “ready to play well at any position he is asked” ;-)
But stuck behind Votto he has to find a way to get ABs, either by being decent enough at some other position that the Reds can stomach playing him there, or by finding a way into the lineup any way he can and then hammering the ball until they trade him.
I don’t understand why a league average 1B which is roughly his floor makes him only a B?
by auclairkeithbc on Oct 8, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
my view is
that he’ll be 25 next season, he’s limited to a below average 1b defensively, and his power is not ideal for 1b — he seems more like a 15-20 hr guy to me, with average to good average and OBP. I see Lyle Overbay type numbers with that D, which puts him at around a B.
by PrincetonCubs on Oct 8, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so.
A .345-.350 wOBA with average defense is an average 1B, or a median one anyway, which is what I meant. It would be a true shock if he can’t maintain numbers in roughly that ballpark at a minimum. I don’t think his ceiling is a TON better, but his floor is pretty much a median 1B.
by auclairkeithbc on Oct 9, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he can hit
But I’m not convinced that he’s a lock to be a 115 wRC+ type of player (which would be about the minimum I’d want from my first baseman). I see his floor as being a guy who can hit a little but just doesn’t have either the defense to profile anywhere else or the offensive ability to profile as a first baseman. Given that his reasonable ceiling isn’t much more than a slightly above-average first baseman, I think a ‘B’ grade is the right one.
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I guess.
I mean I doubt too many people are much higher than you are based on ceiling. But I think you have his expectation below what I consider to be his floor. If he proves to not “have the offensive ability to profile as a first baseman” then that will a major shock to me (Like a 1% likelihood — about the same odds as Billy Butler forgetting how to hit).
by auclairkeithbc on Oct 11, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
B+
One of those grades that borders on a little aggressive for me, but he has everything but the plus velocity, and it’s not like he’s sitting in the mid-80s. His curveball is excellent, and I think the change is going to be a very good offering as well. While he doesn’t throw all that hard, he hides the ball so well that his 88-91 gets its share of swings and misses. Lefties still can’t do damage against him, and as he refines his changeup and deploys it more often against RH batters, I think the HRs will drop. He’s certainly smart enough to learn from those mistakes.
It’s rare that a player with this profile deserves this kind of grade, but there just aren’t a whole lot of things to complain about. Mound presence, command, control, secondaries, pitchability, it’s all there.
Perhaps I should write up a scouting report on Erlin. He’s a really fascinating player. Or maybe a piece comparing him and Robbie Ross (also a very interesting player). Would there be any interest in either of those? I’m enjoying writing baseball these days (as you’ll all see in my upcoming system-by-system breakdowns), but I’m looking to write some focused pieces tailored to what people are interested in reading.
by mrkupe on Oct 5, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Heck yes
I’d absolutely be interested in reading your take on Erlin. Obviously minor league numbers don’t translate directly, but given his only discernible statistical (obviously scouting is another story) weakness is a high flyball rate, Petco could be the perfect spot for him.
Same goes for Wieland. That trade got such little hype from a prospect perspective but it could work out very well for the Padres, given the skill sets of the guys they acquired.
B+
One of the better returns for a reliever we’ve seen. A lot of sad Padre fans, but it was a very nice haul for a guy only under control for the remainder of a last place season and one more year.
He's an interesting player. I think it'd make for a good read.
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B+
Colby Lewis a fair comp?
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeimer Candelario
Been pondering Marco Hernandez the last couple of days, and wondering if I’m being inconsistent by giving draft picks more benefit of the doubt than some young international signings, so curious what people would say about someone like Jeimer. All we have are DSL numbers and scattered positive reports from BA, but the 17 year old (doesn’t turn 18 until November) 500K signee last year was lauded for his approach and shows good power potential. BA had a comment where they suggested folks thought he would hit for average as well. The tools are there to potentially become a very good corner guy. Physically, he’s got some filling out to do. I haven’t seen much on his defense, but he’s played 1st and 3rd. Currently in Cubs instructs, and by most accounts, showing very well.
Even if you don’t know squat about him, I’m curious what grade someone would give for someone like that. My initial approach had been to give him roughly a C+, but then, as I pondered Marco the other day, I kept asking myself, what’s the big difference between Candelario and Baez, who most are giving a B or a B- (I went B).
C+
My 2 cents. I glanced at his stats, and they are solid, but the fact remains that DSL and VSL stats mean very little, especially when compared to stats from leagues that are stateside.
While Candelario’s ceiling is probably similar to Baez’s, because of Candelario’s substantial distance from the minors and the variance of scouting reports (Baez’s is a well-known commodity when compared to a guy like Candelario; Baez has been seen much more by the industry) means the only proper evaluation of Candelario in my mind would be that he has a significantly lower floor than Baez. That’s what would make me give him a C+ at best.
He’s a great guy to have in your system, but unless I’m simply missing something, these types of guys are a dime a dozen while a guy like Baez would be more like a quarter a dozen. I’ll keep the name in my memory banks though as an interesting guy to follow.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting response
I see above that you had Baez as a C+/B-, so it’s not the gap that I have on paper right now (B for Baez, C+ for Candelario, but still contemplating it).
Some comments – Candelario was widely touted as one of the best, if not the best, prospect in DSL this year (I believe BA made several comments along those lines). So, they have arguably seen him enough. He’s got one major positive on Baez’s scouting report right now, which is his discipline, but Baez arguably has better bat speed.
That said, you really don’t have a gap b/w the two, so it’s a different issue than me wondering if I’m being unfair to a guy’s ranking because of a tendency (by many of us) to give the benefit of the doubt to draft picks.
I’m going to make a comment above under Marco Hernandez. Would be curious if you could put in your 2 cents.
Yep
I’m not a big fan of Baez. I thought it was an overdraft by the Cubs.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Dayan Viciedo...
B/B+. Answered the BIG question by improving his plate discipline to an acceptable level. The power looks real. I’m hearing the defense in right field wasn’t nearly as bad as most expected and he has a gun out there.
hmm, probably a B
Frankly, downgrading him last year was jumping the gun. He was only 22 this year and more than age appropriate for AAA. He has a very impressive bat with enormous raw power, so if he’s going to make pitchers work to get him out, watch out.
I think I’ll go a little conservative because 1) he was repeating, even still and 2) his body is going to be a year-to-year thing, and he still needs to show he can handle playing the field on a major league schedule.
I'm with you on all of that...
though to be honest I was pretty worried about the plate discipline coming into this season. Because of that, I was ok with the downgrade most had for him. Seeing him make the strides he did was really a pleasant surprise.
Tyler Saladino...
B-/B. Power outburst at High-A. Plays a premium position. If the power is still there at AA, he could move up lists quickly. If not, he’s probably nothing special.
C+
Close to a B-, but not a CFer.
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Probably a lower end B for me at this point
Still could be a solid SP and proved at the end of the year he’s got a floor as a very good late inning reliever.
C+/B-
Pretty much right on the cut line I guess. The performance was very impressive, especially considering he was in his first full professional season. The fact that he was 22 and in high-A obviously has to be taken into account to, along with his position. Could see myself going either way depending on his performance at AFL and the subsequent scouting reports.
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B
I think he could to be a solid contributor for years. Not an all-star, but a decent major-league regular. His biggest issue is how things work out when Ike Davis returns.
I think...
They’re going to give him a long look in the OF. I’d imagine his UZR would be uninspiring (as it would anywhere else) but he has a decent arm for RF, and his bat should keep him in the lineup. High B / Low B+
B
I think he could to be a solid contributor for years. Not an all-star, but a decent major-league regular. His biggest issue is how things work out when Ike Davis returns.
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A
absolutely an A in my opinion.
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by MonkeyEpoxy on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
B
strong up the middle defender and will hit a little. and MLB ready, i expect him to start in CF in 2012.
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B+
More a gut feel grade than anything, but he had a strong season, stuff looks good, changeup seems improved. He could be up at some point in 2012.
B+
but not as condifent as i was previously
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 7, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Matthews
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Evin Gattis
C+
with room to improve? I know he’s very old for the SALLY, but he’s taken some time off. I like his bat.
by JoelGuzman'sScout on Oct 6, 2011 8:31 AM EDT reply actions
He also doesn't really have a position
As great as the story is, he’s still a C prospect for me at this point.
B
low end, almost a split B-/B, outside top 100, but def well inside top 150.
by auclairkeithbc on Oct 6, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't make lists per se
Would be surprised if i could come up with 99 guys I liked better than Matt Davidson though. He’s already been pretty good to me considering the usual caveats & I we’ll see how he does in AA.
B-
Defensive/Position issues, bad BB/K ratio
by cookiedabookie on Oct 7, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
B
And a strong one. In the top-100 for me.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
C+
I’ve never really been all that excited about him. A #4-5 starter, I think, or middle reliever
by Angelsjunky7 on Oct 10, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh Rutledge
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K
He does that a lot, so it’s only fitting.
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
C.
Maybe a high C. Could see a low C+. His most likely role, in a positive outlook, is as a backup corner guy (plays 1st, can play corner OF, has played some 3rd).
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B-
high end
could breakout in 2012
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 7, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
Now being tried out in LF. We’ll see how that one work out…..
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
B
Though tough to grade him since it’s based entirely on scouting reports.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 7, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
B
but its a tough grade…some may have him higher while others maybe much lower
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 7, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
B- Rizzo scares the crap out of me.
He can have a very loopy, delayed swing that’s great at crushing hanging breaking balls but, man, I saw him swing and miss at so many fastballs it was frightening. Here he is fully extending and connecting with a fastball. I’d like to get someone else’s perspective on it.
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I’m just concerned with how many he’s going to hit on a consistent basis.
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B+
Poor debut, but then again I think it’s more a matter of adjusting to the more advanced competition then the lack of skill on Rizzo’s part. When Adrian Gonzalez was 21 he hit .216/.286/.288 at AAA. When Joey Votto was 21 he hit . 256/.330/.425 in the FSL (A+). I think he’ll have more success next year, while still being below average by 1b standards with him taking a bigger step in 2013 in becoming an above-average 1b. I was impressed with him defensively, was easy to see why he was considered the best defensive 1b in his league during some of his minor leage stops.
Think he has huge upside, the kind of guy who one day could be he receipient of a 100m+ contract
B
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B
I can see a future 20/20 guy in him with ok dicipline.
Matt Lollis
B-
People seemed to forget about him because his ERA was awful and the Padres added two more plus arms to the system, but if you look past ERA he had a pretty solid year. I still think his most likely outcome is that of a solid innings eater type, with a chance to be a little more.
He saw a rise in his K/9 to a solid 8.6, his GB% remained pretty good at 46%. His walk rate went up, as did his HR/9 and his BABIP was really high at 350. I think most of the negatives can be attributed to pitching in a tough environment in front of a god awful defense. I expect a big bounce back season from him next year in AA.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 8, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
C+ at best
Hard to take much just from the overall numbers, because 12 of his 31 appearances came out of the pen. He was much better as a reliever than as a starter this year, and I’m guessing that is most likely where he ends up. If you think he can be a premium reliever, then C+. If you think he’s more a middle relief type, C.
I just don’t really see what there is to go on for justifying a higher grade.
C+
Went from a top 10 prospect to someone who might not crack the top 20. Not sure of the cause for the huge spike in era. The increase in K’s leads me to believe that he’ll have a bounceback year next season. He wouldn’t be the first Padre prospect to have a rough go at Lake Elsinore only to right his ship later (see Luebke).
his BABIP allowed was .351 and
his walk rate increased slightly. My guess is most of it is due to the Cal League. IMO, this time next year, he will be in the Padres top 5 prospects but right now he’s a B-/C+ to me.
by Looney4baseball on Oct 10, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
C+
Just screams future reliever, and I’m not even talking about a good closer, I’m talking about an erratic 8th inning guy.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 10, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
B-
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by MonkeyEpoxy on Oct 11, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yoan Alcantara
B- with much potential.
one of the more intersting prospects in the Padre system but still a good four years away,
Liriano – AZL – 197 AB – .350/.398/.523, 8 2b, 1 3b, 8 hr, 15bb/52k, 14sb/5cs
Alcantara – AZL – 210 AB – .348/.367/.581, 12 2b, 8 3b, 7 hr, 4bb/25k, 8sb/2 cs
Alcantara had 10 more xbh in 13 additional AB’s, and as you can see from the above he struck less then half as much. Alcanatara’s ISO of .233 is one of the best marks we’ve seen from recent AZL performances for Padre prospects in recent years. None of Liriano .173, Decker .189, or Blanks .201 (all 18), matched Yoan’s mark. Not only did he post the best power, but his K/AB % was far better as well:
Alcantara – 12%
Liriano – 26%
Decker – 23%
Blanks – 25%
Alcantara’s rookie league #’s are very similar to what Vlad Guerrero put up at the level with the same great strikeout rate. One to pay close attention to going forward.
C+
I admittedly don’t know much about him. The K% and ISO are great. The BB% is a little scary. I’ll stick with a C+ grade, but if he can maintain those K and ISO rates he’s got a chance to shoot up the Padres prospect list next year.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 9, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Juan Oramas
Solid B
Was great last year in A-ball and again this year in AA. Only 6 starters had a better SO/BB ratio then Oramas’ 3.64. 3 of which are his teammates. 24% of opponents PA’s resulted in K’s (MLB SP avg 16%)
John pegged him as a sleeper coming into the year and he might just stay that way until he reaches the bigs. With the padres pitching depth I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being a force out of the pen. Considering he’s a product from Mexico, would be a shame if he didn’t get the opportunity to start because he might be a good one.
B-
Liked him last year, still like him this year. Puts up great numbers. The lack of a plus pitch, size, and high fly ball % are all worrisome. Getting through the CAL league as a flyball pitcher like he did in 2010 is not easy though. I think at worst he’d be a good #4 starter in the mlb if given the chance.
Might get a shot next year toward the end of the season. I could see them giving him a couple spot starts over those other SP prospects just to see what they have and to keep the others progressing on track in the minors.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 9, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
James Darnell
B
Nice skillset that enables him to walk almost as often as he strikes out while having 20 hr power. Could see him becoming a consistent .290-.300 hitter in a neutral ballpark. Started getting action in LF. For a team that nearly led the league in strikeouts, he could wrestle the position away from other candidates by years end. Too soon to tell if he’ll be limited to LF.
B, but for different reasons
He is definitely a LF, but I think you’re a tad low on his power projection. He had a little more trouble at AAA/MLB than I thought he might, and while he looked awesome at AA, he was still repeating the league.
B
Even though his traditional stats didn’t look great in his brief stint with the Padres his K/BB%‘s were right in line with his minor league stats. I think he’ll be able to sustain rates near 10% BB rate and 15% K rate along with an iso near .130.
Those sorts of numbers combined with below average defense should make him near a 3.5 WAR player at 3B or 3 WAR player in LF/RF where his defense should be a little closer to average.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 9, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Jace Peterson
C+
Gifted athlete with plus speed and close to a 1/1 bb/so ratio in his debut. Stil quite raw, but the mentioned qualities along with a future at SS make him an interesting prospect going forward.
C+
Love that his walk rate improved throughout the season. A final line including a 15% BB rate and 15.9% K rate is very promising. Seems to have the frame and athleticism to add some power down the road. No reason he can’t become an average shortstop either. Definitely excited about him considering the lack of SS prospects in the Padres system.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 9, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Brad Brach
C+
Led the Texas league with a 12.8 so/bb ratio. Ended the year firing 94-96 mph fastballs with a solid slider, and a changeup that got some swings and misses. Likely the closer in SD by 2013.
A+ 66 IP, 50 H, 11bb, 74k
AA 44 IP, 32 H, 5bb, 64k
AAA 28 IP, 28 H, 7bb, 30k
128 IP, 110 H, 23bb, 168 K’s since 2010 in the minors. Like his chances of becoming a very good late inning reliever.
C+
Hard to rank guys that are 100% reliever better than C+. Definitely think he will become a very good late inning reliever.
Seems to have the mentality to pitch in high pressure situations. I think he winds up the closer in SD within the next 2 years.
by Antonio Olivares on Oct 9, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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B
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B-
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 9, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions
A
We should start calling him Baby Jesus. This is a no-brainer. There really is no argument to rate him lower; an A- only if you think the Angels will screw him up (which is possible)
by Angelsjunky7 on Oct 10, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And I would add, a strong-ish A
Trout is awfully close to how John described his mythical “A+ prospect”. Maybe just a few ticks (10 grades) on the scouting report away from that level.
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Trout isn't all that close
He’s a very good prospect, don’t get me wrong, but he isn’t on the same level as some past prospects that clearly weren’t considered for the grade.
C
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by Dan Strittmatter on Oct 11, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Kole Calhoun
I’m going with a solid B. He’s not young, but I love his overall package and think he could really surprise, or be one of those players that is above average at everything, making him overall very good.
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Profar or Machado?
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Fantasy
or real life?
Fantasy – Machado. His value his tied into his bat, specifically what happens when he swings it, which is what matters in fantasy. However, that assumes he sticks at short for several years, which is in question.
Real life – Profar. I think he won’t hit for as much power, but he’s got a much better approach and a much better glove, which puts him ahead of Machado for me, even if his fantasy offensive output will lag behind Machado.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 10, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It is for fantasy, its for my Dynasty league, well I went with Machado and hopefully it pays off.
I like his bat too, but do you see a move to 3b in the near future for him, or his is glove good enough to be at SS.
Would you compare Profar to a one Starlin Castro, with a better glove ?
and if so who would you compare Machado to?
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Profar
walks waaaaaay more than Castro. That’s a huge reason he’s such a good prospect, great understanding of the strikezone.
Machado’s upside is Tulo with a bit less power and not as good defensively?
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 11, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yes on Profar
I actually didn’t disagree with that comparison as much as I originally thought I might have, though. Plate discipline is a clear separator there, and it should probably result in Profar’s power playing up as well (Profar is also slightly bigger). On the other hand, Castro has demonstrated really outstanding feel for hitting, not sure I’d want to go that bold on Profar’s ability there. Defensively they seem pretty similar.
I guess that kind of works for Machado. Hard to compare anybody to Tulo because of his home park (career-wise, Tulo’s home OPS is about 125 points higher than his away OPS), though. An above-average shortstop with an .800+ OPS seems like a decent in-the-ballpark upside projection without going crazy.
You
don’t think Machado could be a superstar? Obviously it’s a pretty big longshot, but I’d argue his 90 percentile outcome it something like…
.290/.370/530. I don’t think that’s going crazy, although it’s very optimistic. Midline would be more like .275/.345/.465 or so.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 11, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
sure he could be
I don’t think it’s all that useful to put out very lofty projections like that on most players, though. More often than not, the success stories of even the best prospects end up describing players who fit in the “very good” range. I would much rather look at what I can reasonably expect from a player who realizes his potential.
Machado
Profar really wants to be a major leaguer and did everything humanly possible this year to accelerate his timetable but simply put, I see Machado as a safer pick for fantasy.
Profar may prove more valuable to his team with the walks but he won’t steal enough to offset the fantasy impact that Machado has as a likely 3/4/5 hitter.
Dang, Cutch beat me to it and I agree with everything he says so I’ll just add that Profar apparently idolizes Andrus and would gladly switch to 2B. The next couple of years will be very interesting to see how Kinsler, Andrus and Profar work out positionally but they’re all so talented that I’m having even more fun imaging them batting 123 followed by Hamilton and Beltre.
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If
Profar is up and looks legit, say sometime in 2014, could you see the Rangers trading him or Andrus for pitching and would you like that?
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 10, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice problem to have for sure
My first thought was that Kinsler would DH or move to OF (????) by 2014 but it occurred to me that Kinsler might be the first to get traded. If CJ moves on there’s a glaring need for a top arm and as a 30/30 stud, Kinsler’s value will never be higher than it is right now.
If Profar continues to show such good plate discipline he will be playing with Andrus a lot sooner than 2014 imo.
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Kinsler's defense is far too good to be shunned to DH. He's one of the best fielders in baseball
And his bat is likely better than anything Profar will do.
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by MonkeyEpoxy on Oct 11, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, I know that this is a prospect site
and we want to find ways to get our favorites in the big leagues, sometimes by forcing over players that don’t deserve it, but come on. only in profar’s dizziest dreams is he going to be as good of a baseball player as Ian Kinsler is
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Kinsler
has put up 24.6 WAR over the course of (essentially) 6 full seasons. That’s 4.1 WAR per season. Yes I think Profar can match that. There’s by no means guarantee, but he’s a top 10 prospect in my book for a reason.
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 11, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right.....I'd totally forgotten how good Kinsler is defensively
All three came up as shortstops but I was speculating on who might get traded of the three and Kinsler made the most sense – older, often injured, and figures to become much more expensive for 2014.
Kinsler is very inexpensive and under control for two more years so my suggestion to trade him now might seem ridiculous but Colby Lewis proved tonight that he is more of a #3 type so I can see Texas trading Kinsler for a TOR replacement for CJ if he bolts.
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meant that all three initially SS so all have some defensive value
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